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[Ygrene Imref]

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Haven't been to any doctor in 45 yrs. my God is my Physician, and when the time does come to visit a Doctor I will rely on the knowledge which my God has given to the Scientific Community in order to treat whatever condition I may need help in.

You see, it isn't the Scientific Community I don't hold in esteem. it's the Theory of Evolution.

It's this theory which is incorrect in it's so called findings.

I more or less feel the same sentiment.

My feeling is the way the community deals with evolution is the same way an ant would deal with an 80 year old man - after only meeting him for three minutes - and determining that in those three minutes it can build an accurate and precisely detailed model of who the man is. 1000 years of recorded history is not enough to accurately and precisely determine past (or future) events - unless you are comfortable with the margin of error.

 

[bhsmte]

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For you none, you don't believe any of it anyway.

LOL

 

[bhsmte]

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Haven't been to any doctor in 45 yrs. my God is my Physician, and when the time does come to visit a Doctor I will rely on the knowledge which my God has given to the Scientific Community in order to treat whatever condition I may need help in.

You see, it isn't the Scientific Community I don't hold in esteem. it's the Theory of Evolution.

It's this theory which is incorrect in it's so called findings.

Cool

 

[JIMINZ]

I think Jesus would be embarrassed by your dishonesty.

1. capitalizing the word "theory" here, exposes first and foremost an extreme ignorance on how science works and what that word means in a scientific context.

2. the color gradient analogy is not meant as "proof" for a scientific theory of biology. It is given to clarify how the OP question is a nonsense question, as it assumes a false version, a strawman, of how evolution supposedly works.

If a question is invalid, the only proper thing to do is point out why the question is invalid. Invalid questions can not be answered, on the count of them being invalid.

For example, when someone asks you "what does blue taste like", you go on to explain what colors are and how they aren't things that even can have a taste to begin with. It's the only way one can address the question. There is no possibility of answering an invalid question in a valid way. The question asks for the taste of something that can't have a taste by definition.



Your fundamentalist religious beliefs do not count as valid facts.

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Don't pat yourself on the back about what you believe Jesus would be, if you did you would Believe in Him as the Savior of the World and of YOUR soul in particular.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Haven't been to any doctor in 45 yrs. my God is my Physician, and when the time does come to visit a Doctor I will rely on the knowledge which my God has given to the Scientific Community in order to treat whatever condition I may need help in.

You see, it isn't the Scientific Community I don't hold in esteem. it's the Theory of Evolution.

It's this theory which is incorrect in it's so called findings.

And yet you cannot name one way that the theory is incorrect.

 

[JIMINZ]

And yet you cannot name one way that the theory is incorrect.

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My having not gone to a Doctor in 45 yrs has absolutely nothing to do with me not giving a reason that the THEORY, is incorrect.

First, if I gave you that one reason, it would mean that everything else IS correct, because I only gave you one, isn't that correct?

Here is where I stand on the subject.

I believe in the Biblical account of how the Earth came into being, for your benefit, I am a Creationist.

I take it as a 6 day event, but that is not a hard and fast rule, because no one knows the exact length of time it took, I therefore do not take the account as a literal belief, as some do.

Example:
Each and ever day could have been Thousands of years.
We have a Geological, and Fossil record which attests to the fact.

I am not one to believe, God Created things Thousands of years old.

But I can understand there was more than just a 24 hour period of time between each Creation event depicted.

That then takes care of any discrepancies in the time of Creation as far as I am concerned.

Here is a verse which speaks of time in a peculiar way.

Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The question arises, how do you have Generations in a one day period of time, this to me is speaking of a great amount of time for each day.

In fact the whole event spoken of taking 6 days is spoken of in this verse as, "in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

When we get to Man (Adam) he was not CREATED, as everything else was, he was FORMED from something which already existed, (Been Created) (the dust of the ground),

Gen. 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(Eve) was made from a rib from Adam.

Gen 2:21,22
21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

If you take note, God had already finished the work of Creation before he Formed MAN.

Gen 2:1-3
1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Thus God rested on the 7th day, how long of a period of time was that day?.....24 hrs?

How long of a period of time was it until Adam and Eve left the Garden?.......Another 24 hrs?

You see, there is a lot of time for all of the Geological changes in the Earth to have taken place within the understanding of Creation, it's just the Evolution of the Species which is skewed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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My having not gone to a Doctor in 45 yrs has absolutely nothing to do with me not giving a reason that the THEORY, is incorrect.

I never implied that it was. You still can't support your claim.

First, if I gave you that one reason, it would mean that everything else IS correct, because I only gave you one, isn't that correct?

Nope, this is a rather odd statement on your part.

Here is where I stand on the subject.

I believe in the Biblical account of how the Earth came into being, for your benefit, I am a Creationist.

Right, we know that. You are demonstrably wrong.

I take it as a 6 day event, but that is not a hard and fast rule, because no one knows the exact length of time it took, I therefore do not take the account as a literal belief, as some do.

Example:
Each and ever day could have been Thousands of years.
We have a Geological, and Fossil record which attests to the fact.

I am not one to believe, God Created things Thousands of years old.

Well that is good. You do not believe in quite as dishonest of a God as AV does.

But I can understand there was more than just a 24 hour period of time between each Creation event depicted.

That then takes care of any discrepancies in the time of Creation as far as I am concerned.

Here is a verse which speaks of time in a peculiar way.

Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The question arises, how do you have Generations in a one day period of time, this to me is speaking of a great amount of time for each day.

In fact the whole event spoken of taking 6 days is spoken of in this verse as, "in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

When we get to Man (Adam) he was not CREATED, as everything else was, he was FORMED from something which already existed, (Been Created) (the dust of the ground),

Gen. 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(Eve) was made from a rib from Adam.

Gen 2:21,22
21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

If you take note, God had already finished the work of Creation before he Formed MAN.

Gen 2:1-3
1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Thus God rested on the 7th day, how long of a period of time was that day?.....24 hrs?

How long of a period of time was it until Adam and Eve left the Garden?.......Another 24 hrs?

You see, there is a lot of time for all of the Geological changes in the Earth to have taken place within the understanding of Creation, it's just the Evolution of the Species which is skewed.

Fine, you are not totally wrong. But like it or not you are still an evolved creature.

Let me ask a question. Do you believe that God created only a man and a woman and that everyone came from them? Do you believe the Noah's Ark myth of a worldwide flood?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Doesn't matter since NO man who studies ancient theology can make sense of Genesis. Only the Christians of the last days can. Dan 12:4

Translation: "I alone have the truth because I, the great arbiter of truth, have said so."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[DogmaHunter]

Looks like you've got the atheist crowd fooled. They will believe ANYthing which blames God for their own willful ignorance.

Atheists don't believe a god exists. An atheist sees no point in "blaming" an entity they don't even consider real, for anything.

Tell us HOW God's superior intelligence got inside Apes and please don't invoke magical evolution since it's a big Lie.

I don't believe a god exists, so asking me how a god did anything is...strange.
And btw, neither do I consider human intelligence to be significantly "superior".

Sure, we are the "most intelligent" on this planet.
But honestly, when it comes down to it, I think the actual difference in intelligence between us and other primates isn't as big as we like to think it is.

If you can't refute me, then seek help from other more knowledgeable evols.

Why would I waste energy trying to refute a bunch of unsupported, fantastical claims?

 

[DogmaHunter]

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Don't pat yourself on the back about what you believe Jesus would be, if you did you would Believe in Him as the Savior of the World and of YOUR soul in particular.

Nice attempt at dodging the actual points raised in the post you are responding to.

Any time you are ready to address those points...

 

[xianghua]

To sum up, you have presented no reason to think that isotope lifetimes have changed, no mechanism by which they could have changed that's consistent with observed data,

what about the fact that a radiometric decay can speed up by a factor of one bilion under some conditions?:

Rhenium-osmium dating - Wikipedia

"This normally occurs with a half-life of 41.6 × 109 y,[1] but studies using fully ionised 187Re atoms have found that this can decrease to only 33 y"

and no alternative explanation for why different dating methods consistently agree.

a plasma temp can effect all dating methods at once in a similar way. also dont forget that in the past the age of the earth was base upon several dating methods that agree with each other. and they all were wrong in a factor of about 10,000%.

we have several evidence that the earth isnt so old. but for me it doenst matter because even a trilion years isnt enough.

 

[Subduction Zone]

what about the fact that a radiometric decay can speed up by a factor of one bilion under some conditions?:

Rhenium-osmium dating - Wikipedia

"This normally occurs with a half-life of 41.6 × 109 y,[1] but studies using fully ionised 187Re atoms have found that this can decrease to only 33 y"

Yes, if you strip all 75 electrons off of a rhenium 187 nuclei, a state that one is not gong to find even on the Sun, it will have a huge increase in decay rate. So what? You are not going to find anything even remotely close to that on the Earth. You can read more about the experiment here:

Phys. Rev. Lett. 77, 5190 (1996) - Observation of Bound-State ${\mathit{\ensuremath{\beta}}}^{\ensuremath{-}}$ Decay of Fully Ionized ${}^{187}$Re: ${}^{187}$Re${\ensuremath{-}}^{187}$Os Cosmochronometry

a plasma temp can effect all dating methods at once in a similar way. also dont forget that in the past the age of the earth was base upon several dating methods that agree with each other. and they all were wrong in a factor of about 10,000%.

Yes, in the past there was no reliable way to date the Earth. Most of the methods that you alluded to were actually minimum ages. Again, so what? You did not cite any there is no point in demonstrating your errors to you.

And one does not find plasmas inside of the Earth. Do you even know what a plasma is?

we have several evidence that the earth isnt so old. but for me it doenst matter because even a trilion years isnt enough.

Nope, You don't. But then you don't understand the nature of evidence. Once again I offer you the opportunity to learn.

 

[Aman777]

Oh well, that still leaves Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Zwingli, Bucer, and all the other reformers, flailing around in the dark.

Amen. That is absolutely correct and demonstrates the ability of God to ASSURE that only by FAITH, which comes from Him, can one be saved. God HID His Truth in the discoveries of Science, which will be made in the last days. This "increased knowledge" Dan 12:4 allows Christians of the last days, to understand Genesis for the FIRST time. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

What are you talking about? I have literally mountains of evidence. You are the one that has none.

You have no clue as to what is and what is not evidence. Your fear shows that you know that to be the case.

False, since I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, science, and history, which is too high a standard for you. All you can offer is a half/truth.

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in Love; but perfect Love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in Love.

God is Love. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

As I said, it is a religion of sorts that requires faith in practice - just like Christianity. I just don't subscribe to the religion/philosophy.

Amen. To believe that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is a total Fantasy, believed only by the worshipers of Evolution. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

As I said, it is a religion of sorts that requires faith in practice - just like Christianity. I just don't subscribe to the religion/philosophy.

Amen. To believe that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is a total Fantasy, believed only by the worshipers of Evolution. God Bless you

 

[Subduction Zone]

False, since I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, science, and history, which is too high a standard for you. All you can offer is a half/truth.

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in Love; but perfect Love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in Love.

God is Love. God Bless you

No, you can't. We have been over this. Quotes that you do not understand taken out of context are worthless. And you do not get to pick and choose in science. You have no clue as to what is and what is not evidence and you appear to be afraid to learn.

 

[Aman777]

And yet you cannot name one way that the theory is incorrect.

I can and have buffaloed you many times with God's Truth which you dismiss without any evidence. I don't think you know much about the subject since you never have any evidence of your own. Just my opinion, but you remind me of a Scientific Troll seeking to preach the Doctrine of Evolism to Christians. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Translation: "I alone have the truth because I, the great arbiter of truth, have said so."

-CryptoLutheran

False accusation since I support what I write with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. Faith PLUS Fact equals God's Truth UNLESS you can tell us a better way to understand Genesis. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Atheists don't believe a god exists. An atheist sees no point in "blaming" an entity they don't even consider real, for anything.

I don't believe a god exists, so asking me how a god did anything is...strange.
And btw, neither do I consider human intelligence to be significantly "superior".

Sure, we are the "most intelligent" on this planet.
But honestly, when it comes down to it, I think the actual difference in intelligence between us and other primates isn't as big as we like to think it is.

Why would I waste energy trying to refute a bunch of unsupported, fantastical claims?

Because there is but ONE way to change the thinking of Humans and that is by INHERITANCE. It happens through sex within populations over time. Evol preachers CLAIM they know another way BUT cannot repeat it, nor show ANY evidence of it ever happening. That doesn't change their Faith in the magical processes of Evolution to change Apes into Humans.