finishing this fight.

[Breetai]

Halo is by far the best thing that ever happened to the gaming community,

What?

Have you heard of Pac-Man, Mario, Zork, Ultima, Dragon Quest, Street Fighter 2, Wolfenstein, Doom, the d-pad, the analogue stick, etc?

there is WAY more than shoot and reload, you obvioulsy haven't played the game more than an hour, and you really suck at it.

Hate to break it too you, but most of Halo really is shoot, reload, run/drive around, watch a cut-scene, etc. NOTHING about it is ground-breaking. I've been doing all of that in games, online, since the mid-90s

Halo has the most grand storyline I've ever seen in a game, and I've seen alot.

No, you haven't seen a lot yet.

I've read the books, and know all there is to know about halo that has been released. The storyline is, amazing, juicy, and grand.

Halo 3 will be the best game ever, until of course, Halo Wars.

I agree. Halo 3 is a very good game, but Donkey Kong is the best game ever!



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[ravendta]

Hey, I could break down your vaunted RPGs simarily, at least Halo lets you do your own fighting and not just click *dice roll* click, not that I disagree about Halo's mediocrity.

Most RPGs these days provide a lot more of a variety of gameplay than simply relying on the dice. And more and more are allowing you to do the fighting rather than clicking and watching.

 

[mrkram]

im not going to even make reference to the halo funboys posting on this thread - just wanted to say some people make some very good points that halo is for the most part a pure hype machine.

im not going to hate on you if you have fun playing halo but dont simply assume its the best thing to ever happen to gaming because in reality its not.

 

[Theogonia]

I would just like to violate this thread by saying that the only good thing to come from Halo, was Red vs Blue. Other than that I seriously cannot stand the game. Right, I'm done!

Digit

Agreed, although the original Halo is pretty good.

 

[DudDoodoo]

Wow, you rally can't say half the stuff you just said. You haven't read the books, that's where the storyline is, smart guy.

Yes I have played all of the command and conquer games, most of the zelda games, all halo's, GRAW, Mechassult, battlezone, several final fantasy games(by the way, they suck), and I played operation flashpoint, not to mention GoW, and most of th star wars games, battlestations midway, sigh, and starcraft, and Warcraft(yes, I know there were games before WoW).

You really can't say anything because the only thing you know about the game is the 2 games, there are 4 novels, a movie, an RTS, and some other unidentified Halo project coming out. The novels are REALLY good, you should check them out. Fall of Reach, First Strike, the flood(don't read the flood, it's just Halo 1 in book version), and fianlly Ghosts of Onyx. The storyline is increadibly complex, only a small, narrow perspective is in the games.

Halo is not a medicore game, I never even realize the shoot, reload, thro grenade part, I just see the manuvering,m tatics(yes, I AM arguing tactics, ever played legendary? You can't exactly go out there and shoot everything you see!), and teamwork.

Now we move on to Halo 3. They DID promise to show the war on a much larger scale, as it was the biggest complaint of Halo fans, because the games barely scatched Halo's surface, there is a primitive map editor(not changing the map, just adding objects, weapons, vehichles, spawn points, just about everything, google halo 3 forge), many new grenades and equipment, extreamly intellegent and adaptive AI, 4 player co-op via live, and the best graphics a 360 game has.

And you didn't answer my question about playing the beta, most people, even causual gamers, said it was funner than the full version of any game for the 360, an that was only scatching the surface, as we are now finding out. Don't insult one of the greatest games in the world, and it has a fanbase and sales to prove it.

EDIT: wow, 3 people posted in the time I did. It is my favorite game, but maybe not the best out there for it's time, like starcraft for it's time is 10 years older, and has a fanbase still nearly as big as Halo's, but Halo 3 will be the best in most ways, not just an opinion, but it will have a sales record to prove it. Not saying that there arn't some pretty sexy looking games out there coming out, endwar, assasin's creed, and of course starcraft 2, which I'm going to get them all, but I don't think any games will be beating the Halo series not just in my opinion, but in sales too, for a while.

 

[Blackguard_]

Wow, you rally can't say half the stuff you just said. You haven't read the books, that's where the storyline is, smart guy.

These Halo books might be the Great American Novels for all I know or care, but they are not the Halo game. You would have an arguement if they shipped the novels with the games, sort of the way games used to ship with a lot of extra print material, but this is the 00's and you're lucky if you get a pamphlet for a manual, nevermind a novel.

I played operation flashpoint,

And you think Halo is better than it?

most of th star wars games,

Which ones? I thought TIE Fighter was the best one.

You really can't say anything because the only thing you know about the game is the 2 games, there are 4 novels, a movie, an RTS, and some other unidentified Halo project coming out. The novels are REALLY good, you should check them out. Fall of Reach, First Strike, the flood(don't read the flood, it's just Halo 1 in book version), and fianlly Ghosts of Onyx. The storyline is increadibly complex, only a small, narrow perspective is in the games.

Maybe the books are good, but that has no bearing on how good the games are.

Halo is not a medicore game, I never even realize the shoot, reload, thro grenade part, I just see the manuvering,m taticsyes, I AM arguing tactics, ever played legendary? You can't exactly go out there and shoot everything you see!), and teamwork

Now that is a great part of Halo. Co-op play on legendary on a big screen with a cigar and a glass of rum is quite fun. (we took the TV outside and had to put with a blanket over our heads and the TV due to glare until it became dark enough out). And 16 player capture the flag on Bloody Gulch was a blast.

But OK, I did not think there was much tactics beyond "one guy fights while the other recharges" and "snap shooting". The maps are too linear for you to do much in the way of flanking or bypassing enemies.

Halo can be fun multiplayer, but I can't take much of it solo.

Now we move on to Halo 3. They DID promise to show the war on a much larger scale, as it was the biggest complaint of Halo fans, because the games barely scatched Halo's surface, there is a primitive map editor(not changing the map, just adding objects, weapons, vehichles, spawn points, just about everything, google halo 3 forge), many new grenades and equipment, extreamly intellegent and adaptive AI, 4 player co-op via live, and the best graphics a 360 game has.

"increasing scale" =/= "changing gameplay"

EDIT: wow, 3 people posted in the time I did. It is my favorite game, but maybe not the best out there for it's time, like starcraft for it's time is 10 years older, and has a fanbase still nearly as big as Halo's, but Halo 3 will be the best in most ways, not just an opinion, but it will have a sales record to prove it. Not saying that there arn't some pretty sexy looking games out there coming out, endwar, assasin's creed, and of course starcraft 2, which I'm going to get them all, but I don't think any games will be beating the Halo series not just in my opinion, but in sales too, for a while.

Fancy graphics and sales receipts do not a good game make.

Don't insult one of the greatest games in the world, and it has a fanbase and sales to prove it.

That's called a "bandwagon" fallacy. Just because its popular doesn't mean its good.

 

[Breetai]

Wow, you rally can't say half the stuff you just said. You haven't read the books, that's where the storyline is, smart guy.

A book based on a game has no bearing at all on your claim that Halo is "best thing that ever happened to the gaming community." A book's story is not a game's story.

Yes I have played all of the command and conquer games, most of the zelda games, all halo's, GRAW, Mechassult, battlezone, several final fantasy games(by the way, they suck), and I played operation flashpoint, not to mention GoW, and most of th star wars games, battlestations midway, sigh, and starcraft, and Warcraft(yes, I know there were games before WoW).

That's not a very large list on which to claim that Halo is "best thing that ever happened to the gaming community."

So, you've played several Final Fantasy games. You thought they sucked? Have you played IV and VI?

You really can't say anything because the only thing you know about the game is the 2 games

The key word here is GAMES.

there are 4 novels

Not a game.

a movie

What?

an RTS

Where is it?

and some other unidentified Halo project coming out

Sort of hard to claim that an unidentified project contributes at all to your grande claim.

The novels are REALLY good, you should check them out. Fall of Reach, First Strike, the flood(don't read the flood, it's just Halo 1 in book version), and fianlly Ghosts of Onyx. The storyline is increadibly complex, only a small, narrow perspective is in the games.

So is The Lord of the Rings.

Halo is not a medicore game,

I think it is.

I never even realize the shoot, reload, thro grenade part, I just see the manuvering,m tatics(yes, I AM arguing tactics, ever played legendary? You can't exactly go out there and shoot everything you see!),

How is the difficult setting different from any other 1st person shooter?

and teamwork.

I've had more fun with online PC games.

Now we move on to Halo 3. They DID promise to show the war on a much larger scale, as it was the biggest complaint of Halo fans, because the games barely scatched Halo's surface, there is a primitive map editor(not changing the map, just adding objects, weapons, vehichles, spawn points, just about everything, google halo 3 forge), many new grenades and equipment, extreamly intellegent and adaptive AI, 4 player co-op via live, and the best graphics a 360 game has.

The newest levels! The best graphics! All new AI! New weapons! New vehicles!

Sounds like an advert from Nintendo Power in 1991.

And you didn't answer my question about playing the beta, most people, even causual gamers, said it was funner than the full version of any game for the 360, an that was only scatching the surface, as we are now finding out. Don't insult one of the greatest games in the world, and it has a fanbase and sales to prove it.

"Funner" isn't a word.

Halo isn't one of the greatest games in the world. Sonic the Hedgehog also has a fanbase and sales to "prove" that it's one of the greatest games in the world as well... except that nearly every Sonic game released in the past decade isn't in the same ballpark at any greatest game.

EDIT: wow, 3 people posted in the time I did. It is my favorite game, but maybe not the best out there for it's time, like starcraft for it's time is 10 years older, and has a fanbase still nearly as big as Halo's, but Halo 3 will be the best in most ways, not just an opinion, but it will have a sales record to prove it.

Yes, it is just an opinion. Cabbage Patch kids sold a lot is their day as well. So did Final Fantasy VII. High sales mean only one thing: lots of people bought it.

Not saying that there arn't some pretty sexy looking games out there coming out, endwar, assasin's creed, and of course starcraft 2, which I'm going to get them all, but I don't think any games will be beating the Halo series not just in my opinion, but in sales too, for a while.

In your opinion.


You've done nothing to prove that Halo is "best thing that ever happened to the gaming community." However, you have proven that Halo is your favourite game series.

 

[ravendta]

Guess I don't to type out a big reply - Breetai and Blackguard did that for me. And I agree with everything they said - especially that sales do not indicate a great game.

You strike me as a bandwagon type of kid. There's a huge "Final Fantasy Sucks" bandwagon out there, and Halo fans are possibly the largest bandwagon out there. And while I'll agree that Final Fantasy games have gone downhill since hitting the PS1, they still have more complex and interesting storylines than Halo.

And YES, I'm referring to the story WITHOUT the books. This is a gaming forum, and we play games here. That doesn't mean we don't read, but we don't rate games based on books about them, we rate games based on the GAMES.

 

[DudDoodoo]

But that's the thing, the Halo universe is created by the books, not the game, so if you want to say that Halo's storyline is not complex and great, and is medicore, then you have an invalid argument, now if you say the games have a so-so simple storyline, since they focus on such a small part of the halo universe, then I guess that is kinda valid.

Yes, there is a Halo mvie, it was announced by peter jackson that he is producing it, speilbugrg is helping, and fxbacked it, although production doesn't start until 2008. The RTS, halo wars, is still in production and we probably won't be seeing it until early-mid 2008.(check halowars.com for details) Also, the unidentified Halo project is coming out, is was also announced by peter jackson that his newly formed game company is making it, see halpedia for details.

I guess I have been bragging too much for a game that hasn't been released yet, so we'll see.

And also, I never said that the only good thing promised about Halo 3 was the graphics, you're out of your mind if you think that, and the sales don't make a great game but do support my position nevertheless. And what's that with you saying new weapons and vehichles [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]? There is a map edidtor, larger scale, MOR FUN gameplay, smarter AI, a good storyline, great live, and ALOT more weapons and vehichles, plus a map editor, no console game that I know of ever had something like that, and no PC game ever had one where you can have multiple people working on it at once over live, an have people playing it while your making it, the possibilities are endless.

No, good graphics and sales do not make a great game, but this does.

 

[mrkram]

and no PC game ever had one where you can have multiple people working on it at once over live, an have people playing it while your making it, the possibilities are endless.

garys mod for hl2dm and neverwinter nights(minus xbox live of course). im sure there are others.

 

[Blackguard_]

But that's the thing, the Halo universe is created by the books, not the game, so if you want to say that Halo's storyline is not complex and great, and is medicore, then you have an invalid argument,

This is argument for the Sci-Fi and Fantasy forum. As Breetai said, we are discussing the Halo games, and not extra media about the 'Halo universe'.

It's like arguing in the the movie forum about the quality of Star Wars movies based on the Timothy Zahn books.

now if you say the games have a so-so simple storyline, since they focus on such a small part of the halo universe, then I guess that is kinda valid.

No, small-scale does not necessarily mean it's simpler, and large-scale would not necessarily mean it's more complex.

Yes, there is a Halo mvie, it was announced by peter jackson that he is producing it, speilbugrg is helping, and fxbacked it, although production doesn't start until 2008.

That's not a good sign, although appropriate that a medicore director would direct a mediocre game's movie. (Jackson needsa a good editor very very badly)

The RTS, halo wars, is still in production and we probably won't be seeing it until early-mid 2008.(check halowars.com for details)

Also, the unidentified Halo project is coming out, is was also announced by peter jackson that his newly formed game company is making it, see halpedia for details.

Based on his movies, does anyone else think this will suffer massive feature creep and be long delayed?

I guess I have been bragging too much for a game that hasn't been released yet, so we'll see.

3, if you count the RTS and Jackson's game.

And also, I never said that the only good thing promised about Halo 3 was the graphics, you're out of your mind if you think that, and the sales don't make a great game but do support my position nevertheless.

Sales do not support your position.

And what's that with you saying new weapons and vehichles [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]?

I presume becasue the gameplay stays the same.

There is a map edidtor

1993 arrives in the console world.

larger scale,

Isn't inherently better.

MOR FUN gameplay

How so?

smarter AI

Isn't saying much.

a good storyline,

Not if Halo 2 was any indication.

great live,

No doubt. Multiplayer is the game's strong point.

and ALOT more weapons and vehichles,

..do not mean different gameplay, just more toys for the current style. This isn't Duke Nukem 3D, the new weapons are not going to be things like trip wires and bombs you can set off, freeze guns, shrink rays, and hologram projectors; things that can have a big affect on gameplay, but "another assault rifle model" and "another alien blob gun model".

plus a map editor, no console game that I know of ever had something like that,

Yeah, but it's pretty common on PC.

and no PC game ever had one where you can have multiple people working on it at once over live,

..because that's not a good idea. Ever hear the expression "too many cooks in the kitchen"?

Edit: apparently they do exist on PC, but I still can't see how its such as good thing.

an have people playing it while your making it, the possibilities are endless.

So you can have the Halo gods drop guns and vehicles from Heaven or delete them in front of you, whoopty doo. You yourself said it can only arrange items.

 

[ravendta]

Again, Blackguard sums it up pretty well. I especially agree that more weapons/vehicles do not change the shoot/reload/repeat formula. No matter what you're driving or shooting, it's still the same.

 

[Breetai]

But that's the thing, the Halo universe is created by the books, not the game, so if you want to say that Halo's storyline is not complex and great, and is medicore, then you have an invalid argument, now if you say the games have a so-so simple storyline, since they focus on such a small part of the halo universe, then I guess that is kinda valid.

Halo's storyline is not very complex at all, and it's a totally valid argument. You have to get it in your head that this is a gaming forum, and the books don't count for anything as far as the overall gaming community goes. In the history of games, book adaptations do not count for anything. They are merely tools for promoting sales of the games, and nothing more. We are not discussing the "Halo universe" here. Do you see any Final Fantasy side-stores/books/etc. being discussed here? No, you don't. The reason for it, again, is that this is the video game forum; not the sci-fi and fantasy forum. If you want to discuss that, Blackguard has already directed you to that forum.

Yes, there is a Halo mvie,

Oh really?

it was announced by peter jackson that he is producing it, speilbugrg is helping, and fxbacked it, although production doesn't start until 2008.

Doesn't look like there's a Halo movie to me. It's not even in existance yet! It's still on the drawing bored. There's been plenty of other movies that were announced that never got past that stage. In fact, for someone who claims to know everything there is to know about Halo, you forgot to tell us that the Halo movie ceased production 10 months ago because of financial problems. So, until it actually exists... it doesn't exist. Don't get your hopes up.

The RTS, halo wars, is still in production and we probably won't be seeing it until early-mid 2008.(check halowars.com for details)

Well, you can't really add something that does not exist yet to your claim that Halo is the "best thing that ever happened to the gaming community."

Also, the unidentified Halo project is coming out, is was also announced by peter jackson that his newly formed game company is making it, see halpedia for details.

Unidentified projects mean nothing to your bold claim.

I guess I have been bragging too much for a game that hasn't been released yet, so we'll see.

Yup. Fanboys tend to do that.

And also, I never said that the only good thing promised about Halo 3 was the graphics, you're out of your mind if you think that,

Who made that claim?

and the sales don't make a great game but do support my position nevertheless.

As the previous poster just told you; no they do not support your position. At all.

And what's that with you saying new weapons and vehichles [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]?

What are you trying to say here? Anyway, new weapons and vehicles are not really new. They've all been done before, to be sure, in one form or another. It's nice, but they don't mean much at all to make a great game. It's just more chrome on your father's Harley.

There is a map edidtor,

Although a good feature, it's nothing new at all.

larger scale,

Could be good or bad.

MOR FUN gameplay,

What the heck is gameplay supposed to be? Is that even a word? Think about it! It's the same as saying, "the game plays really well." That doesn't say anything! WHAT about the game plays really well? Is the control more responsive, is the framerate high, etc.?

smarter AI,

I hope so!

a good storyline,

To be seen.

great live,

That's probably true.

and ALOT more weapons and vehichles,

Hopefully good, but you cannot make the claim that they are good until the game is out.

plus a map editor, no console game that I know of ever had something like that,

Considering your limited gaming experiences, I'm still surprised that you'd say this. There are many, many console games that have had map editors. That goes back to the original Nintendo Entertainment System at least, more than 20 years ago. I OWN games that old, and I owned them that long ago. They most certainly do exist.

and no PC game ever had one where you can have multiple people working on it at once over live,

WRONG! People have been doing this for well over ten years as far as I know, and perhaps for longer.

You'd better start watching what your claim, because you keep putting your foot in your mouth with your bold and unresearched claims.

an have people playing it while your making it, the possibilities are endless.

No, because the developers are still working within strict confines. The primary reason for beta testing is... for testing.

No, good graphics and sales do not make a great game, but this does.

What does? What is "this"? You haven't given us any association to attach to "this."

 

[DudDoodoo]

Sigh.
1.Fox has backed the Halo movie, right after/during E3.
2.You must be ill, peter jackson directed Lord of the rings.
3.Halo Wars does exist, not out yet, but they are nearly half way done with it, see the gameplay montage.
4.New vehichles are not going to make a game great by itself, but neither does a great stryline, good gameplay(if you don't know what gameplay is then you don't belong in the gamers zone), good AI, fun levels, or good multiplayer, it all sounds bad broken up like that.
5.A map editor that multiple people can work on at the same time, and switch from play to make, the possibilites ARE endless, heck you can even make an RTS out of it.
6.You never played the beta, so you have no idea how much more fun it is with the new weapons and vehichles, they don't make a great game by themselves, but like good graphics they DO contribute.
7.Like I said, none of you played the beta, the watered down, incredibly small buggy version that WAS different in gameplay, you would have to play it to know it, not to mention a new feel.
8.Good sales DO suport my position, because it means alot of people like it, and it might not be much but it DOES say something.
9.You dare call my gaming experience limited? How dare you! Command and conquer 1, generals, and C&C3, EaW, EaW FOC, mechassult 1+2, starcraft, AoE 2, Homeworld 2, GRAW, battlefront 1&2, battlefeild 2, stonghold 2, rollercoaster tycoon 2&3, blitzkrieg, GoW, panzers phase one, battlestations midway, *sigh*, mario 64, mario kart, zelda, battletanx 1+2, civilizations 4, darwinia, ALOT of starwars games, donky kong for the super nintendo, some weirf anima games I never played that much, and I really don't want to go into all of my nintendo 64 and super nintendo games because I have millions. I also have call of duty 2+3, and I play alot of BFME2 at my friends. There are probably more, but those are just off the top of my head, and they are all scattered around on my desk. Think next time you say LIMITED gaming experience.

Now that we have established that I play alot of games, I will tell you that people I know say that Halo 3 and Halo Wars are looking good, and they don't even like Halo. Also, about the novels, they are not book adaptions of Halo, they ARE Halo, they are canon. Yes, because Halo focuses on such a little part of Halo, it isn't that interesting, or rather, it doesn't tell you anything about Halo.

Also, the THIS I was refering to was the things I stated above, map editor, good gameplay, good graphics, good storyline, good multiplayer, amazing AI, a good feel, and a nicely balanced campaign.

Lol, if you don't like Halo then please leave the thread.

 

[Blackguard_]

2.You must be ill, peter jackson directed Lord of the rings.

yeah, excessively long movies.
He also directed the new King Kong.
He's not a bad director per se, he just needs an editor. He will probably be horrible as a game developer due to a very apparent susceptibility to feature creep.

3.Halo Wars does exist, not out yet, but they are nearly half way done with it, see the gameplay montage.

So? I could show you trailers for "Duke Nukem Forever" farther along than that before being completely scrapped and started again.

And have you heard the "Battlecruiser 3000AD" story by any chance?

4.New vehichles are not going to make a game great by itself, but neither does a great stryline, good gameplay(if you don't know what gameplay is then you don't belong in the gamers zone), good AI, fun levels, or good multiplayer, it all sounds bad broken up like that.

Yes, any one of those does not make a good game, but you have not demonstrated Halo 3 has any of those, and going by the changes from Halo 1 to 3, there is no reason to expect a revolution in Halo 3. "Good multiplayer" is all the series really has, and as Breetai said, there is better.

5.A map editor that multiple people can work on at the same time, and switch from play to make, the possibilites ARE endless, heck you can even make an RTS out of it.

Sorry, "Teleporter Wars" (with unlimited resources for all sides if you don't have house rules) does not sound fun.

6.You never played the beta, so you have no idea how much more fun it is with the new weapons and vehichles, they don't make a great game by themselves, but like good graphics they DO contribute.

I don't think I'll ever play the Beta. (No way my computer could handle it)

7.Like I said, none of you played the beta, the watered down, incredibly small buggy version that WAS different in gameplay, you would have to play it to know it, not to mention a new feel.

Well, how is the gamplay different? Enlighten us.

8.Good sales DO suport my position, because it means alot of people like it, and it might not be much but it DOES say something.

Yes, it says "a lot of people bought Halo 3". You probably think it means they bought it becasue it was good, but they could have bought it due to hype(like the sales of Battlecruiser 3000), bad taste, good marketing, etc. Sales do not say much.

9.You dare call my gaming experience limited? How dare you! .....Think next time you say LIMITED gaming experience.

I'd say that's fairly limited. There's no shame in having limited gaming experience. I have limited gaming experience with games this decade. (the 3D Card gods hate me).

Now that we have established that I play alot of games, I will tell you that people I know say that Halo 3 and Halo Wars are looking good, and they don't even like Halo.

I heard the same of Die Hard 4 (which I didn't like)

Also, about the novels, they are not book adaptions of Halo, they ARE Halo, they are canon.

How are they canon? And even if they are, as we keep telling you, we are discussing games, not books or the Halo universe in general.

What is the relationship of the books to the games? As I said, if they shipped with the games you'd have an argument, but as far as I can tell its glorified fan-fiction.

Yes, because Halo focuses on such a little part of Halo, it isn't that interesting, or rather, it doesn't tell you anything about Halo.

Focusing on a little part does not make it less interesting. Focusing in can make things more interesting due to the attention to detail required to pull it off effectively..

a nicely balanced campaign.

Balanced how?

 

[ravendta]

Again, I still don't understand how you can possibly talk about Halo's gameplay as though it is something innovative and different. And don't try to use that whole strategy argument you used before - the Rainbow Six games perfected FPS strategy.

And from the videos I've watched, I'm not even that impressed by the graphics. They're certainly better than Halo 1 & 2, but there is stuff on both the 360 and the PS3 that is way more amazing.

I don't expect much from this "amazing" A.I. you speak of. I've played plenty of games which had allegedly revolutionary A.I. at the time and yet everything still boiled down to watching the enemy's pre-set patterns of walking around and then learning their pattern of attack to find the weak point. If the movements of the A.I. in Halo 3 aren't intelligent and unique (repeated sequences of actions are NOT impressive, they are simply pre-programmed and easily defeated with a little practice) then there is nothing special about the A.I.

It's funny, I remember watching a video of Halo 3 way back when they were talking to the developers and they were talking about creating a monster that was radically new and different and would require a bit of strategy to beat him. Then they proceed to show the monster - which looked like little more than a Covenant Abominable Snowman - and they kill it by shooting it over and over and beating it in the head with their gun repeatedly. Sorry, nothing innovative there, not by a longshot.

And by the way - sales don't necessarily mean a lot of people like it, it means a lot of people bought into the hype. And hype is really all Halo has going for it these days. My brother-in-law and I frequently play Halo 2 online on the weekends because there isn't much else to do, and every game is a nearly identical game of "Who can get the sword first?" and nothing but constant rushes for the sword and the sniper rifles. There's nothing innovative there. And don't try to bring up the other game options like Oddball and King of the Hill, because those games are ruined by jerks who don't even try to get the ball or the hill and instead just sit in one place sniping everyone. That, in turn, makes everyone go after the sniper rifle, which in turn makes the game into little more than a Slayer game.

My point? I bought the game - but I'm not really a big fan of it. Thus, sales don't necessarily mean people like it. Yeah, I know, you're going to say I'm the only one who feels that way. I guarantee you I'm not, but Halo Fanboys like yourself tend to believe what they want to hear, not the realistic truth.

It's repetitive, it's annoying, and it's boring. No innovation, no creativity, no variety, no fun.

/rant

 

[Breetai]

1.Fox has backed the Halo movie, right after/during E3.

Source?

Here are my courses:

In October, Halo was officially delayed.

As was previously confirmed, we deeply regret that both Universal and Fox did not choose to move forward with financing the Halo film under the original terms of the agreement. At this time Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, along with their partner, Microsoft, have mutually agreed to postpone making a feature film based on the Halo video game universe until we can fulfill the promise we made to millions of Halo fans throughout the world that we would settle for no less than bringing a first class film to the big screen. We are fully supportive of Director Neill Blomkamp's vision of the film. Neill is a tremendously gifted filmmaker and his preliminary work on Halo is truly awe-inspiring. While it will undoubtedly take a little longer for Halo to reach the big screen, we are confident that the final feature film will be well worth the wait. -comingsoon.net

There is a similar story at Gamespot.

As it stands, from what I've read, the movie is in limbo.

2.You must be ill, peter jackson directed Lord of the rings.

That doesn't mean that his other movies will be good.

3.Halo Wars does exist, not out yet, but they are nearly half way done with it, see the gameplay montage.

It's not out yet, and therefore you cannot judge it to be good or bad. You can only speculate on what might be.

4.New vehichles are not going to make a game great by itself, but neither does a great stryline, good gameplay(if you don't know what gameplay is then you don't belong in the gamers zone), good AI, fun levels, or good multiplayer, it all sounds bad broken up like that.

Think about it... define gameplay! Good luck with that one... It's a meaningless word. "The gameplay is good" means nothing. What about the gameplay is good? You'd be much better to say that "the game runs very smoothly," or "the game is easy to control."

5.A map editor that multiple people can work on at the same time, and switch from play to make, the possibilites ARE endless, heck you can even make an RTS out of it.

It's cool, but you were trying to claim this will be the first. It's not.

6.You never played the beta,

Oh really?

so you have no idea how much more fun it is with the new weapons and vehichles,

Is that so?

Care to make any more baseless claims?

they don't make a great game by themselves, but like good graphics they DO contribute.

Sure.

7.Like I said, none of you played the beta, the watered down, incredibly small buggy version that WAS different in gameplay, you would have to play it to know it, not to mention a new feel.

Oh, look! ANOTHER baseless claim! That's at lease three in this post.

8.Good sales DO suport my position, because it means alot of people like it, and it might not be much but it DOES say something.

No, it does not mean a lot of people like it. It means a lot of people bought it.

9.You dare call my gaming experience limited?

Yes.

How dare you!

How many years have you been playing games for, on for which systems? Compared to many of the people in this thread, your gaming experience is limited.

Command and conquer 1, generals, and C&C3, EaW, EaW FOC, mechassult 1+2, starcraft, AoE 2, Homeworld 2, GRAW, battlefront 1&2, battlefeild 2, stonghold 2, rollercoaster tycoon 2&3, blitzkrieg, GoW, panzers phase one, battlestations midway, *sigh*, mario 64, mario kart, zelda, battletanx 1+2, civilizations 4, darwinia, ALOT of starwars games, donky kong for the super nintendo, some weirf anima games I never played that much, and I really don't want to go into all of my nintendo 64 and super nintendo games because I have millions. I also have call of duty 2+3, and I play alot of BFME2 at my friends. There are probably more, but those are just off the top of my head, and they are all scattered around on my desk. Think next time you say LIMITED gaming experience.

Millions?

Would you like me to list all the games I've played? All guarantee you that you haven't even heard of the game console that I first had.

Anyway, if you haven't played Civilization, then you're gaming experience is limited. Civ4 does not count.

Now that we have established that I play alot of games,

Compared to peers your age, yes. Compared to many of us, you have not.

I will tell you that people I know say that Halo 3 and Halo Wars are looking good, and they don't even like Halo.

They are looking good, but that isn't the argument at all.

Also, about the novels, they are not book adaptions of Halo, they ARE Halo, they are canon.

Canon to the story, ok. Game experiences, no.

Some Star Wars novels are "canon", but that means absolutely nothing for watching the movies.

Yes, because Halo focuses on such a little part of Halo, it isn't that interesting, or rather, it doesn't tell you anything about Halo.

Wrong forum.

Also, the THIS I was refering to was the things I stated above, map editor, good gameplay, good graphics, good storyline, good multiplayer, amazing AI, a good feel, and a nicely balanced campaign.

Okay. Thanks for making that clear!


Gameplay... what a word! Maybe a thread could be started on it...

Lol, if you don't like Halo then please leave the thread.

Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids! I mean, this thread is for discussing Halo 3(!). There is no requirement to like it or not.

 

[Breetai]

What is the relationship of the books to the games? As I said, if they shipped with the games you'd have an argument, but as far as I can tell its glorified fan-fiction.

Exactly! All "canon" means is that someone is getting paid royalties.

 

[DudDoodoo]

It is not fan-fiction, it is taken directly rom the Halo bible and didn't create the universe but explained it, and I never said that they were directly associated with the game, but the storyline IS in the books.

The one thing that stuck out the most in what you said, the AI. The AI is adaptive and smart, it doesn't have pre-set courses like it does in the previous games. It works in packs, co-ordinates, adapts to your strategies and finds ever possible way to take you down, on it's own.

And sure, I'd like to list the game systems I not just have played on but own. XBOX, XBOX 360, dreamcast, N64, Super nes, gamecube, ps2, atari gamestick thing, the sega system thing(don't renember it's name), PS1, and of course PC. I have been playing video games since I was 3, my dad did, and I would watch him, then try them out when he went to work.

And what was that about you COMPUTER not being able to handle it? Did you even know that it's only for 360?

http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/06/18/halo-movie-back-on-again-fox-to-go-it-alone/
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2007/06/18/halo-back-on-at-fox/
I can't say exactly where it was announced, but everyone is saying the same thing.

I can't say any more on how good the game is except for the beta, which was awesome, until it is released. Frankly IDC if you don't like Halo, you'll just be missing out.

 

[Blackguard_]

It is not fan-fiction, it is taken directly rom the Halo bible and didn't create the universe but explained it,

Halo Bible?

and I never said that they were directly associated with the game, but the storyline IS in the books.

If the novels are not directly associated with the games, they have no relevance to a discusion about the games.

The one thing that stuck out the most in what you said, the AI. The AI is adaptive and smart, it doesn't have pre-set courses like it does in the previous games. It works in packs, co-ordinates, adapts to your strategies and finds ever possible way to take you down, on it's own.

So, it won't be repettive, it will be stupid and crazy.

And what was that about you COMPUTER not being able to handle it? Did you even know that it's only for 360?

They make demos and betas for consoles now? (my console experience is quite limited, I've only have much experience on the NES , some Super NES and a bit of Sega Genesis and Sega CD)

I can't say any more on how good the game is except for the beta, which was awesome, until it is released. Frankly IDC if you don't like Halo, you'll just be missing out.

Why was the beta awesome? I don't worry I won't miss out as me and my friends will probably spend all night using Co-Op on Legendary to beat it as we did with 1 and 2, and Halo parties. I like Halo as a multiplayer game, but it's pretty lame single player. It's like fighting down 1 long corridor.