Fine, then send your own kids to die

[foxy2]

"'I maintained throughout the release of these prison photos, perspective was what was needed,' Rush Limbaugh declared on his radio program.

'They're the ones who are sick,' he added. 'They're the ones who are perverted. They are the ones who are dangerous. They are the ones who are subhuman. They are the ones who are human debris, not the United States of America and not our soldiers and not our prison guards.'

John Gibson, an anchor on the Fox News Channel, echoed that view. 'Where is the outrage?' he said Tuesday after the decapitation video was made public on an Islamic Web site. 'The same people screaming about American abuses at Abu Ghraib are now conspicuously silent about this outrage directed against an American.'" - NYT​

What a bunch of jerks. First Limbaugh. What is this, Stalinist Russia? We are the United State of America, therefore per se we can do no wrong. Right, one of our soldiers sodomizing an Iraqi with a glow stick - that counts as human debris in my book, perhaps to Rush that's just a lucky Saturday night. As for John Gibson, what is he even talking about? Right, John, no one was repulsed by the beheading of a 26 year old, no, not at all. That's why it's been all over the new for the past 24 hours.

What FOX News and Rush Limbaugh fail to realize is that it's not news when a terrorist acts like a terrorist, or at least it's not exactly eye-opening (though in the case of the beheading, it's been the top story all day). But what is news, and what is shocking, and what is especially troubling isn't when we discover that a terrorist is actually evil. Rather, what's really troubling is when we discover that we possess the same capacity for evil in our hearts, and that in some ways, on same days, some of us can be just as bad as some of them. That shocks me and saddens me, and I'm no family-values conservative.

While it shouldn't surprise me, because I know they're all hypocrites, it still bothers me that when push comes to the shove, the people who talk about values and morality the most are the people who often have the least respect for either.

 

[J.A.I]

BOTH sides are in the wrong - The U.S. and the Middle East. People need to open their eyes. Our soldiers shouldn't have done that... That was just NOT a smart thing to do... Oy.

 

[Blessed75]

While it shouldn't surprise me, because I know they're all hypocrites, it still bothers me that when push comes to the shove, the people who talk about values and morality the most are the people who often have the least respect for either.

Annnnddddd................you hit the nail on the head with that one -

 

[Kelly]

I pride the normal person to be able to look beyond titles of right or left, conserative or liberal, to be able to see things as they really are. Extremists in the media (Limbaugh, Coulter, Franken) are like cartoons, ruining the positions of topics they stand for in their blind belief that they are correct.

 

[opus_dei]

so lefties, what's your solution, then? you've been very consistent talking about all the "wrong" things that conservatives do. frankly, in some instances it really isn't that hard. but what's the solution? the problem with the disorganized left these days is that when pressed their solution is "well, not what is currently happening." that's not a terribly concrete idea.

so instead of yet another thread that bashes everything conservative, offer up a workable idea that isn't simply a statement like: we need more UN involvement. well, super.

 

[Blessed75]

Kelly - sit down - you're not gonna believe this - I so agree with you here.

I pride the normal person to be able to look beyond titles of right or left, conserative or liberal, to be able to see things as they really are. Extremists in the media (Limbaugh, Coulter, Franken) are like cartoons, ruining the positions of topics they stand for in their blind belief that they are correct.

 

[Existential1]

This stuff has to be challenged, especially as it moves up the communication food chain.

What we tolerate on CF, simply as the views of another: when it hits an amplifier in commercial media; becomes fundamentally dangerous, inhumane, and criminal.

It seems like were all being drawn to various front lines, in this time of crisis: we just have to ensure that we have enough integrity in place; to contervail this intolerance as it emerges.

Someone on CF has signature, that evil flourishes when the good remain silent.
Such silence is becoming less and less of a viable option.

so lefties, what's your solution, then? you've been very consistent talking about all the "wrong" things that conservatives do. frankly, in some instances it really isn't that hard. but what's the solution? the problem with the disorganized left these days is that when pressed their solution is "well, not what is currently happening." that's not a terribly concrete idea.

so instead of yet another thread that bashes everything conservative, offer up a workable idea that isn't simply a statement like: we need more UN involvement. well, super.

This is a parody, a strawman, a bogeyman and outsider story: if there are such "lefties", I haven't seen any evidence of them on CF; if you read through the posts of those who see themselves as not conservative, there is a wide variety and diversity of concrete suggestions as to what we might do for the best.
What you say is just a conceptual strategy, a word device, in putting down unspecified other people: and is some younger sibling of what is criticised in this thread; it raises no substantive issues, makes no substantive suggestions about issues.

 

[Elyse]

I pride the normal person to be able to look beyond titles of right or left, conserative or liberal, to be able to see things as they really are. Extremists in the media (Limbaugh, Coulter, Franken) are like cartoons, ruining the positions of topics they stand for in their blind belief that they are correct.

I agree. But there is a big market for extremists in the media, among the extremists in the public.

 

[Existential1]

But there is a big market for extremists in the media, among the extremists in the public.

Isn't that a concerning truth: and just why such views must be systematically challenged and dismantled; to reveal them as the visceral prejudice that they are.

 

[burrow_owl]

What a bunch of jerks.

I'd contend that they're a bunch of idiots, actually. It's goofy to demand outrage from war-opponents for something that everyone knew was coming, or should have known - hence the 'idiot' part.

 

[opus_dei]

This is a parody, a strawman, a bogeyman and outsider story: if there are such "lefties", I haven't seen any evidence of them on CF; if you read through the posts of those who see themselves as not conservative, there is a wide variety and diversity of concrete suggestions as to what we might do for the best.
What you say is just a conceptual strategy, a word device, in putting down unspecified other people: and is some younger sibling of what is criticised in this thread; it raises no substantive issues, makes no substantive suggestions about issues.

perhaps i was painting with an exceedingly broad brush, but strawman this is certainly not (talk about an over-used term around here). frankly, i have been guilty of the same thing. eventually the the opinion of what is "wrong" make take a backseat to "how to we make it better." i was not making a suggestion about issues, per se, merely a suggestion about an area of content that is lacking.

 

[foxy2]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Existential1 again.

​

This stuff has to be challenged, especially as it moves up the communication food chain.

What we tolerate on CF, simply as the views of another: when it hits an amplifier in commercial media; becomes fundamentally dangerous, inhumane, and criminal.

It seems like were all being drawn to various front lines, in this time of crisis: we just have to ensure that we have enough integrity in place; to contervail this intolerance as it emerges.

Someone on CF has signature, that evil flourishes when the good remain silent.
Such silence is becoming less and less of a viable option.




This is a parody, a strawman, a bogeyman and outsider story: if there are such "lefties", I haven't seen any evidence of them on CF; if you read through the posts of those who see themselves as not conservative, there is a wide variety and diversity of concrete suggestions as to what we might do for the best.
What you say is just a conceptual strategy, a word device, in putting down unspecified other people: and is some younger sibling of what is criticised in this thread; it raises no substantive issues, makes no substantive suggestions about issues.

 

[Existential1]

perhaps i was painting with an exceedingly broad brush, but strawman this is certainly not (talk about an over-used term around here). frankly, i have been guilty of the same thing. eventually the the opinion of what is "wrong" make take a backseat to "how to we make it better." i was not making a suggestion about issues, per se, merely a suggestion about an area of content that is lacking.

Acknowledged.

Broad brush painting allows us useful freedom to express and grow.

 

[Echoes Peak]

I agree. But there is a big market for extremists in the media, among the extremists in the public.

They are way more interesting then "moderates". Moderates, in comparison, sound like they have no course of action and wishy-washy. Extremists in both combats sound like they're ready to take arms for their causes right that minutes. Besides, no one wants to sit around and hear how a problem was solve in diplomatic, quiet manner. It's boring politics and boring television.

 

[UnhandledException]

Annnnddddd................you hit the nail on the head with that one -

No. I think he hit his thumb.

 

[Existential1]

They are way more interesting then "moderates". Moderates, in comparison, sound like they no course of action and wishy-washy. Extremists in both combats sound like they're ready to take arms for their causes right that minutes. Besides, no one wants to sit around and hear how a problem was solve in diplomatic, quiet manner. It's boring politics and boring television.

So, moderation needs a makeover.
Moderation is also the most muscular, the bravest, the most enduring: its a presentation problem; where we can get some cheap shot publicity, by learning how to wipe the hearts and minds floor, with these guys.
I think its called witnessing for Jesus: and it just needs the right wheels and differentials for that particular terrain; and maybe that's what we're a practising in CF.
Street and Studio Witnessing: Jesus Academy, one, two, and three.

 

[J.A.I]

No. I think he hit his thumb.

Off topic.. I thought that was funny. I am not commenting on what anyone else said, but that's just a funny comment. Can I steal that ? I think I will

 

[steelmagnolia]

so lefties, what's your solution, then? you've been very consistent talking about all the "wrong" things that conservatives do. frankly, in some instances it really isn't that hard. but what's the solution? the problem with the disorganized left these days is that when pressed their solution is "well, not what is currently happening." that's not a terribly concrete idea.

so instead of yet another thread that bashes everything conservative, offer up a workable idea that isn't simply a statement like: we need more UN involvement. well, super.

I was JUST saying this yesterday!
Amazing...

 

[Borealis]

Someone on CF has signature, that evil flourishes when the good remain silent.
Such silence is becoming less and less of a viable option.

That would be me, as my sig below will attest. Those words have never been more true than they are today.

 

[Sybil]

A poster called My Higher Self also has that signature. It is a very good one.