Finding common ground with catholics

[Goodbook]

yea I suppose, but I do think Mary was blessed..as well as the other Mary who washed Jesus feet.

Sometimes its a bit confusing all the talk about Mary though since there was more than one.
And I refer to Mary as Jesus Mum.

I know some catholics like to say 'mother of God' because they think Jesus is God, not the son of God. Although I kinda think that's confusing and maybe they missed something there.
Also, Mary did have children after Jesus so didn't stay a virgin, it's in the Bible, Jesus had brothers and sisters (as well as cousins - John was one) so I don't really understand why they keep saying Mary continued being a virgin, but maybe many just say that to differentiate her from the other Mary...and also to emphasize Jesus' special birth.

Mary is blessed!

 

[Goodbook]

I do think Mary got a bit full of herself though cos Jesus did once rebuke her and people calling her blessed all the time when he said Blessed are those who hear the Word of God and do it.
Or maybe he was just pointing out to the others that fine, they could call his mum blessed but they could be blessed too if they followed Him.

 

[Goodbook]

or maybe admonished is a better word.
I just find that episode in the gospels quite funny.

 

[com7fy8]

The direct approach is the best approach when it comes to communicating with God. And thats by his ONLY begotteon son, Jesus, not mary or anybody else.

If Mary is on the throne with Jesus, she is not in each of us personally guiding each of us > but Philippians 2:13 says >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, our Father in each of us children of God is personally working us to will and do what He desires.

Isaiah 11:58 says God will guide us "continually".

So, this is much more personal than Mary can be.

Therefore, at every moment we can personally communicate with God, not only in order for Him to tell us what to do, but we submit to how He actually works in our willing and our doing, in order to see what He wants us to do. His action speaks louder than even His words, I can see He does what He means by His word, better than we can understand, but we can with Him discover

And, for those who in pride suppose God does not wish to personally communicate with them >

"God resists the proud" (in James 4:7, also in 1 Peter 5:5).

Ones acting in ego are having personal communication . . . with God's resistance!! And so there is frustration . . . even though His caring resistance keeps us from getting into much more trouble than we do, in our ego stuff. But with Jesus we have "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30).

 

[yesyoushould]

This topic always gets a chuckle out of me. Its like a high schooler rolling their eyes at how naive their 45 year old parent is who just doesn't get it.

The Catholic Church is the mature version of whatever church you go to.

Please love your neighbor instead of belittling them. I'm sure the Catholic church would be disappointed to hear it is being promoted to harm others.

 

[Goodbook]

? I dont really pay attention to random sarcastic comments like that.

Jesus builds his church, not man.
just cos a church is tradtional, doesnt mean all its tradtions are biblical.

 

[Rhamiel]

hello, GoodBook

one thing to keep in mind, is that Catholics are sometimes put in similar circumstances
when they are praying with fellow Christians and things that they do not really agree with are brought up
this is just one of the troubles of ecumenicalism

focus on the things you have in common
love of the Bible
trust in Christ
a desire to live a virtuous life

 

[katerinah1947]

yea I suppose, but I do think Mary was blessed..as well as the other Mary who washed Jesus feet.

Sometimes its a bit confusing all the talk about Mary though since there was more than one.
And I refer to Mary as Jesus Mum.

I know some catholics like to say 'mother of God' because they think Jesus is God, not the son of God. Although I kinda think that's confusing and maybe they missed something there.
Also, Mary did have children after Jesus so didn't stay a virgin, it's in the Bible, Jesus had brothers and sisters (as well as cousins - John was one) so I don't really understand why they keep saying Mary continued being a virgin, but maybe many just say that to differentiate her from the other Mary...and also to emphasize Jesus' special birth.

Mary is blessed!

Hi,

"How is it the mother of God has come to pay me a visit." Mary starts talking then "My soul....."

The lack of Mary always being a virgin, has never been proven. You are free to say otherwise. Yet, that discussion which took place over that recently, compared to when she was alive, still convinced no one, that she was not a virgin, even after the Birth of Jesus.


LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[Albion]

No message

 

[Goodbook]

um, I'm guessing that the catholics have a fixed belief about that since their church insists its so.
Rather than what the Bible says, since, it is the Bible that is the written Word of God, not the church. Proof is in the Bible.

If you choose not to believe what is in God's Word, then God help you...
When I became a christian, God did not insist I be a nun..however keeping chaste is a good thing. If you are unmarried. Jesus mum was married. Joseph did not divorce Mary before or after the birth of Jesus. The angel stopped him from that idea.

It would have been a really strange marriage had Mary and Joseph never had relations.

This is why its hard to get on with catholics. Because of their fixed beliefs.They not really open to reading the Bible and finding out what God says..I found.

 

[Rhamiel]

um, I'm guessing that the catholics have a fixed belief about that since the church insists its so.
Rather than what the Bible says, since, it is the Bible that is the written Word of God, not the church. Proof is in the Bible.

If you choose not to believe what is in God's Word, then God help you...
When I became a christian, God did not insist I be a nun..however keeping chaste is a good thing. If you are unmarried. Jesus mum was married. Joseph did not divorce Mary before or after the birth of Jesus. The angel stopped him from that idea.

It would have been a really strange marriage had Mary and Joseph never had relations.

lol it is also a really strange marriage when you give birth to the God-Man
so I would say that Mary and Joseph did not have a normal marriage

one thing on this topic, Martin Luther believed in the Bible Alone and he accepted a belief that Mary stayed a virgin her entire life

 

[Naboo]

Many of my family are Catholic. The way I see it, I understand that they ultimately share the same pillar Christian beliefs that God is the creator of heaven and earth and that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins. Many of the practices my Catholic family partake in I do no understand and find very outdated, but I respect that this is there way of practising their faith and I don't let it bother me because I know sometimes even if they may not be ungodly, they have good intentions and are intending to be the best person they can be.

 

[katerinah1947]

Many of my family are Catholic. The way I see it, I understand that they ultimately share the same pillar Christian beliefs that God is the creator of heaven and earth and that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins. Many of the practices my Catholic family partake in I do no understand and find very outdated, but I respect that this is there way of practising their faith and I don't let it bother me because I know sometimes even if they may not be ungodly, they have good intentions and are intending to be the best person they can be.

Hi,
And with the depth and clarity of your thoughts, I hope you stay here long. That is extremely Biblical and perfect whether you are aware of that or not.
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

um, I'm guessing that the catholics have a fixed belief about that since their church insists its so.
Rather than what the Bible says, since, it is the Bible that is the written Word of God, not the church. Proof is in the Bible.

If you choose not to believe what is in God's Word, then God help you...
When I became a christian, God did not insist I be a nun..however keeping chaste is a good thing. If you are unmarried. Jesus mum was married. Joseph did not divorce Mary before or after the birth of Jesus. The angel stopped him from that idea.

It would have been a really strange marriage had Mary and Joseph never had relations.

This is why its hard to get on with catholics. Because of their fixed beliefs.They not really open to reading the Bible and finding out what God says..I found.

Hi,
Try this:
Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fairly conclusive even on the issue of mistranslated words in The Bible, therefore putting into grave doubt the few people out there, who claim Mary was not a Perpetual Virgin.
BTW, I am a In The Word type of person, I subscribe to The Bible as being the first and foremost and most accurate knowledge of God, but also do not limit God in any way outside of the Bible, which some In The Word make the mistake of doing.
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[znr]

Okay, so clue my ignorant butt in. How can Mary be a perpetual virgin if she had relations with her husband and bore more sons?

Hi,
Try this:
Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is fairly conclusive even on the issue of mistranslated words in The Bible, therefore putting into grave doubt the few people out there, who claim Mary was not a Perpetual Virgin.
BTW, I am a In The Word type of person, I subscribe to The Bible as being the first and foremost and most accurate knowledge of God, but also do not limit God in any way outside of the Bible, which some In The Word make the mistake of doing.
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[znr]

BTW, I am a In The Word type of person, I subscribe to The Bible as being the first and foremost and most accurate knowledge of God, but also do not limit God in any way outside of the Bible, which some In The Word make the mistake of doing.

Well Amen to that.

 

[katerinah1947]

Okay, so clue my ignorant butt in. How can Mary be a perpetual virgin if she had relations with her husband and bore more sons?

Hi,
I will not accept that you are ignorant. Anyone who uses terminology like that, is just the opposite, as no one who is intelligent thinks they really are intelligent.
When I finished this work roughly 10 years ago, the issue of Jesus having brothers came up. It is important if it is true. Apparently it came down to what language was being used to translate from. Jesus Spoke Aramaic.
I was hoping not to have to revist this. In those days the conclusion reached was the brothers is not the correct translation due to Aramaic being spoken, rather the translation was really relatives of some sort.
That being said, I reread this just now, and apparently there is so little information, that to say Mary is a Perpetual Virgin or not from The Gospels is entirerely impossible.
So, I am wrong in stating this old position as she is a Perpetual Virgin by Proof. However it is equally wrong to say she is not a Perpetual Virgin.
Sorry to have bothered you with an unprovable position. That's what I GET for not doing that particular piece of work myself.
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[znr]

That's what I GET for not doing that particular piece of work myself.

Don't worry about it. No big deal, sister. But I was ignorant, because this is the first time I've ever heard this. And now I am baffled! Actually startled, because I'm just so confused about, well just for starters, how Mary's virginity is at all relevant to the gospel's after Christ's birth...let alone why or how educated, enlightened people would put Mary into a position of not being a normal woman with normal desires who had sexual relations with her husband--never mind the supposed translation issues. And, wow, all the other questions this theory raises. I'm sorry, I'm just not sure how to react to this theory that so many educated people hold dear. So like I said, perhaps I am ignorant. This is probably a topic that belongs in General Theology, where I'm headed I suppose.

 

[Goodbook]

um.
that's a good question znr.
But you probably want to ask God himself, and He will tell you to look in the Bible.

 

[Goodbook]

And my Bible says he had brothers...it is not a mistranslation.
It did not mean disciples or cousins.

John the baptist was Jesus cousin.
James, Joses, Jude were his brothers, he also had sisters. When his immediate family were calling him to go with them, he said he called brothers and sisters those that were doing the Will of God. He did not go off with his step or half family. He was meaning brothers and sisters in Christ..but this was before he ascended.

You can find all this in the Bible..I will give you the references if got the the time. In bible times, a marriage was always consummated, and ppl were fertile back then, obviously Mary could bear children. It is not like today where you have couples that cant have children. If Mary was barren, the bible would have said, like .elizabeth was before she had John.