Feminist Movement

[mpshiel]

No, I don't think it will be the feminist that will slam you but you might be getting some letters from "small" men, about thier God given "role". hee hee.

If God sent you a definiative hand book about what jobs exactly men and women are suppose to do, could you please send me a copy.

Most people think that for example nursing is a very definate female role, yet it was considered very much un-ladylike 120 years ago for a woman to be a nurse and certainly unsuitable to be a nurse during a war. It took a strong woman, Florence Nightengale to demonstrate that not only could women nurse (including dressing wounds and washing all the "bits") but they could save lives by doing it. Over time, the idea of female nurses has grown so much that until recently a male who wanted to be a nurse was considered "unmanly" and perhaps trying to take a job inconsistant with his gender role.

Another example which might amuse, until WWII, in hospitals boy babies were wrapped in pink blankets and girl's were wrapped in powder blue. The colours changed 70 years ago and now, what used to be considered a "girls" colour is the boys and vice versa.

All I am saying is that just because something is how we have known it means that's how it has to stay, or even how it was.

 

[Vollkommen Warrior]

"No, I don't think it will be the feminist that will slam you but you might be getting some letters from "small" men, about thier God given "role". hee hee"

Hahah!!Lol!

"All I am saying is that just because something is how we have known it means that's how it has to stay, or even how it was."

Makes sense. But you go ahead and put that pink blanket on your boy for the sake of change. I am sticking with the blue one.

Nurses? Wonder what would make you think I was going to disagree there?..If you did think that. Great example and I agree. However, nurses are generally not expected to subdue a violent 300 pounder on PCP with a gun and a bat. Ok, drastic but you catch my drift and I think I agree with yours as well, for the most part. Thanks for the laughs above. I like your sense of humor. Take care!

 

[PrNcSsChRmNg91]

First Rising Tree, I am sorry if you misunderstood my example about the asylum which was referring to about 145 years ago where in the UK at least, women were still considered the "ward" of the eldest male. Perhaps I should give another example: I thank God that not longer when my Father dies I would not be able to inherit anything and the house would go (there being no brothers) to the eldest male cousin and I would live in "his" house and his ward always living at his whim.

To refer to an slightly older topic: Women in the police. Perhaps because I live in a country where the police are generally not armed I have a different view. But the one place I think women are definately needed is the police force. The motto of the police force is "serve and protect", not a motto I see inconsistant with compassion, knowing the community or femininity. The idea of the intimidating police male who is ready to shoot, subdue with force or intimidate is only one possible image (and one, with the repeated corruption and inmates "falling down the stairs" which prevails here in Wales).

There is a book called, "God is good for Women" which talks to women who are: General's in the Army, High Ranking Police officers, Head's of organizations. Two interesting things about this book are: The reason they are often the only ones in thier position as a female is not about desire but because they never thought they would be "allowed" in that position and that being a female, doing the job as a female changes what the job is (they never became a psudo-male) but it works, it isn't the same as their male co-workers, but it works.

As to "Independant", I was referring to someone who has thier own dreams, ambitions, desires, and opinions. To choose to follow another's dream because you love them is what marriage is about? I think in a marriage, each is helping the other become the best, most complete person they can be. Independant doesn't mean "I will live my own life." it just means, "I could live my life but I would rather live it with you because you complete me." In the same way, as the marriage goes on, the dreams, desires an ambitions don't die, but change so there is always new growth for both partners. I fail to see how someone wouldn't prefer this to the idea that the man does all the growing and changing and the woman is just a sort-of live-in cheerleader.

Great post mp!

 

[Snowhite]

its not an infringement, women need to just relax and not brutally murder their babies.

remember, half of those babies are women that are being murdered, but no one wants to stand up for their rights do they, they only want to be self seeking. So feminists who support abortion are out of their mind, they are killing themselves and they call it equality. What a joke.

I agree with you, but please don't assume that ALL women seeking equality are murderers. Persoanlly, I abhor abortion more than I can possibly say. It truly disgusts me that women consider murder to be within their 'rights'. If you are able to seperate this issue from the core principles of 'feminism', you may be more sypathetic to it.

 

[DaveKerwin]

I agree with you, but please don't assume that ALL women seeking equality are murderers. Persoanlly, I abhor abortion more than I can possibly say. It truly disgusts me that women consider murder to be within their 'rights'. If you are able to seperate this issue from the core principles of 'feminism', you may be more sypathetic to it.

I do not assume that. If you read my posts again, you will see that I do support equal rights for women. I was calling out the feminists that support abortion. To me, the feminists movement harms women by making murder legal. To date, at least 22 million female babies were robbed of their life. With all these innocent females being murdered every day, you would think feminists would wake up and stop the murders of the people they are trying to get equality for.

Where are the extremist prolife feminists? I would support them in a heartbeat.

 

[Snowhite]

I do not assume that. If you read my posts again, you will see that I do support equal rights for women. I was calling out the feminists that support abortion. To me, the feminists movement harms women by making murder legal. To date, at least 22 million female babies were robbed of their life. With all these innocent females being murdered every day, you would think feminists would wake up and stop the murders of the people they are trying to get equality for.

Where are the extremist prolife feminists? I would support them in a heartbeat.

That is true, it harms not only women but men as well. I am aware of all this, a large part of today's 'feminists' are not seeking equality- they seek to be free of natural law. As far as extreem pro-life feminists, here I am.

 

[mpshiel]

Spock,

My spouse suggests you try some nursing sometime, starting at any ward and working up to mental health. She says that it is one of the most if not the most violent professions around (as in violence toward nurses).

Also, you know that colour might just switch again, so get both colour blankets just in case. (in another aside, up to 70 years ago children weren't considered to have any gender so they were put in dresses until the age of 5-6 - they were called "infants" until they became "boys" - with short pants -and "Girls" with short dresses- if you don't believe me, just get an old Sears and Roebuck catalogue or pictures of from the period.)

 

[Risen Tree]

First Rising Tree, I am sorry if you misunderstood my example about the asylum which was referring to about 145 years ago where in the UK at least, women were still considered the "ward" of the eldest male. Perhaps I should give another example: I thank God that not longer when my Father dies I would not be able to inherit anything and the house would go (there being no brothers) to the eldest male cousin and I would live in "his" house and his ward always living at his whim.

Oh, sorry. The father reference just sounded odd. But yes, both that kind of treatment and what you mentioned above are out-of-bounds.

To refer to an slightly older topic: Women in the police. Perhaps because I live in a country where the police are generally not armed I have a different view. But the one place I think women are definately needed is the police force. The motto of the police force is "serve and protect", not a motto I see inconsistant with compassion, knowing the community or femininity. The idea of the intimidating police male who is ready to shoot, subdue with force or intimidate is only one possible image (and one, with the repeated corruption and inmates "falling down the stairs" which prevails here in Wales).

Nothing is wrong with policewomen as long as they have the physical and emotional ability to do their work. Some of them do; others do not.

There is a book called, "God is good for Women" which talks to women who are: General's in the Army, High Ranking Police officers, Head's of organizations. Two interesting things about this book are: The reason they are often the only ones in thier position as a female is not about desire but because they never thought they would be "allowed" in that position and that being a female, doing the job as a female changes what the job is (they never became a psudo-male) but it works, it isn't the same as their male co-workers, but it works.

How would it change the job simply because they are female?

As to "Independant", I was referring to someone who has thier own dreams, ambitions, desires, and opinions. To choose to follow another's dream because you love them is what marriage is about? I think in a marriage, each is helping the other become the best, most complete person they can be. Independant doesn't mean "I will live my own life." it just means, "I could live my life but I would rather live it with you because you complete me." In the same way, as the marriage goes on, the dreams, desires an ambitions don't die, but change so there is always new growth for both partners. I fail to see how someone wouldn't prefer this to the idea that the man does all the growing and changing and the woman is just a sort-of live-in cheerleader.

 

[Vollkommen Warrior]

Spock,

My spouse suggests you try some nursing sometime, starting at any ward and working up to mental health. She says that it is one of the most if not the most violent professions around (as in violence toward nurses).

Also, you know that colour might just switch again, so get both colour blankets just in case. (in another aside, up to 70 years ago children weren't considered to have any gender so they were put in dresses until the age of 5-6 - they were called "infants" until they became "boys" - with short pants -and "Girls" with short dresses- if you don't believe me, just get an old Sears and Roebuck catalogue or pictures of from the period.)

Oh please. We are getting a bit myopic here. Two nurses (both female) in my family agree to challenge your spouse on that one although we are getting of premise again. I also know several police officers that will be happy to compare notes with the nursin profession. You are free to believe what you will. Either way, I am simply saying there's nothing wrong with a man being a nurse. Again, I'll stick with the blue. I don't need to question everything. However, you are entittled to your perseption as anyone else.

"..70 years ago .."

40 years ago to be gay was generally accepted as being happy and **** were cigars (as you can see it was starred out-proves my point). Try using that term now. So what is the actual point? Again to challenge or debate everything? You again are free to and that is fine, I personally do see the need to. Take care.

BTW, I don't mean anything personal with my opinion on this subject and we may agree on many others. Also, on the nurse subject I really was not including the mental ward. I was thinking more along the lines of RN in the emergency -room or others. Believe me, I have a handle on what goes on there and it is nothing like police work. I would venture to say MOST women should not be police offers, perhaps not ALL. But I am still pondering that one.

 

[wonder111]

I think police officers also have to have skill. I mean that sounds strange, but martial artists are not usually that big, and their technique works. If a women is skillfull I'm sure she can do it. But being big and skillfull wouldn't hurt either. lol!