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I was raised a Roman Catholic and at times I was practicing, other times I was more nominal. A little while back I felt like my soul was lost and I started asking Jesus to come into my life. I felt like I had a born again experience in that I felt Jesus presence and I began crying. I felt very good for about a week and started living more responsibly, making a conscious effort to be more Christlike. I began watching Christian television and this is where some of my concerns arose. Although I find many preachers on these channels quite inspirational, the repeated message of "Accept Jesus or else" troubles me.

I understand how due to our sinful nature and all falling short of the Kingdom of God we need Christ for redemption. It also makes sense to me that the proud receive the Law while the humble receive grace. I humbled myself and begged for Jesus' forgiveness and for Him to come into my life. I am pleased with all of this, yet my mind keeps analyzing some Christian beliefs.

Is it really fair that Hindu's, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Bahais, Taoists, etc., all non christians go to hell? We are all influenced by our environment so how can it be fair that a person given biased information about Christianity in a non-Christian country would be judged by the same standard as one who was raised in a different way?

What about those who have not understood or been taught about Christianity. Can they really be held accountable? Any advice or opinions on my concerns would be appreciated.
 

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If the Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Bahais, Taoists, etc could get to Heaven without Christ to redeem them, then why would Christ leave the comforts of Heaven, teach ungrateful people, and die on a cross for crimes he didn't commit?

God judges people by whatever standards he chooses, as appropriate to their station in life (Romans 2:9-12). Problem is, sin is so pervasive that no matter what good standard he would choose to use, we all come up short. This is why Jesus came, and those who will believe in him will receive eternal life (John 3:16-18).

As far as those who have not heard about it yet, the most constructive thing to do if you care that much about them is to grow in your faith to the point where you would be a good missionary, and then go, be a missionary to those people (Romans 10:14-15).
 
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I was raised a Protestant, and this was something that always bothered me as well. It seems to violate God's justice, doesn't it?

That's because it DOES violate God's justice. For that reason, it CAN'T be true. First, that would mean that people are lost because God requires them to know what they cannot know, and they cannot know it because God didn’t allow them to know it. That would violate God’s perfect justice. Second, it would mean that one can only be saved through the attainment of information which is hidden to all but a select few, which is the core of the gnostic heresy.

If one has to have heard of Jesus in order to be saved, then never having had the opportunity to hear of him is a really good excuse for never having heard of him. The fact that scripture says that even those who have never heard the gospel have no excuse would reasonably be taken to indicate that God must make some sort of provision for those people. And in fact Jesus said that He has other sheep who are “not of this fold”.

And it turns out that the idea that one must have heard of Jesus in order to be saved is not universal among Christians. For good reason.

All Christians agree that Scripture says that salvation is due to the grace of God and the merits of Christ alone. And scripture says that everyone has some idea of God. And everyone does, even if that idea is nothing more than being able to distinguish between oneself and others and having some concept of right and wrong. Romans 1:18-21 says "The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened."

So here scripture explicitly says that one can know God by natural revelation, right? Someone who does evil can’t legitimately claim that he never knew about God, because God made sure through creation that everyone knows him. The passage doesn’t say that they’re wicked because they don’t know God, what it says is that they’re wicked because they know God well enough and they reject him anyway!

The Catholic Church teaches that “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation”. Even these people may be saved (not that they will be saved, but only that they may be saved) through the merits of Christ, by means of which we do not know.

God gives everyone the grace and ability to make a freewill decision for or against him, at some time in their lives. Anyone who gets in to heaven will get there solely because of the merits of Jesus, even if he didn't realize it was Jesus before he gets there.

I like the way C. S. Lewis said it in Chapter 15 of The Last Battle. In it, Emeth tells of his meeting with Aslan:
Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honor) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, "Son, thou art welcome." But I said, "Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash." He answered, "Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me." Then by reason of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said "Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one"" The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, "It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites - I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For he and I are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child?" I said "Lord, thou knowest how much I understand." But I said also (for the truth constrained me), "Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days." "Beloved," said the Glorious One, "unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek."​

Anyone who is saved, is saved through Christ.

Scripture says that everyone has some idea of God. It's undeniable that these people are seeking God - they may have false ideas about Him but they're seeking Him nonetheless, and NO ONE can seek God except on God's initiative. The fact that they're seeking God, however imperfectly, shows that He is working in their lives.

Jesus said that He has other sheep who are “not of this fold”, and it's not for me to decree that God has no way that they might be brought home, merely because I've been blessed by the knowledge of the best and surest road and they haven't. But be certain: whatever road He provides, will be due only and entirely because of the grace of Christ.
 
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The questions you raise are normal, and show that you are entering a new phase of your journey. I would offer two cautions:

First: don't obsess too much about the salvation of others. The mechanics of this topic have been debated for centuries. One thing is certain: you cannot know whether another person or group of people is destined for Heaven or not. Many seemingly Godless people will be in Heaven (as evidenced by the thief on the cross who confessed in his last moments of life), and seemingly righteous people may be headed in the wrong direction (as evidenced by Jesus' warnings to the Pharisees).

As for the people from other faiths or those that may not have been exposed to the Gospel, there are certainly hints in the Bible about how God reveals Himself in ways that may not be typical and straightforward. I sometimes think of the American Indians with traditional worship customs that do not include Jesus or typical Christianity. Yet they seemed to treat nature and one another better than the European Christians that almost wiped them out. I believe that sometime in their lives - maybe even just before death - God provides a window of opportunity to correct their inaccurate view of a higher power, and to accept Jesus as their savior - even if it is not in the same way that we do.

The other caution that I would share is to be very careful about watching preachers on TV. There are some good ones, but a lot of false Gospels are taught by TV preachers too. It's better to learn from well-respected sources like study Bibles and books like Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis or Knowledge of the Holy by A.W. Tozer.
 
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"Is there a particular Scripture about this that's in question?" I normally ask that question to see if my own concern about a question are really Biblical, or if they're interpretive.

The question admittedly is answered a number of different ways by different Christians, but it still needs to go through the scrutiny of what we know about salvation from Scripture. For instance, Abraham was saved without knowing Jesus personally (Rom 4, Gal 3). If the OT is to be understood, many in Israel B.C. were also saved.

The idea of justification by faith is B.C. It comes from Habakkuk, "the just shall live by faith".

So there's something about relying on God that's critically important to salvation, yes.

The question of faith in Jesus becomes quite a serious one: people rejecting Jesus are accountable for that rejection. But there's not a whole lot addressing the issue of pre-Christian information.

Cultural bias is everywhere, and nothing's said human biases aren't detracting from the Gospel of Christ in nominally Christian nations as well as non-Christian. There're conditions that are not easily defined in communicating the Truth of Christ.

All that said, people around the world are exposed to the same issue:
God is good.
People are not good.
God's judgment rightly falls against all.​
Humanly speaking there are a number of answers, and they've existed throughout the world. They're false.
The only source of hope is in God.​
And with the spread of the Gospel:
God announced He would provide for this hope through Jesus Christ.
Salvation for those hearing the Gospel correlates with their response to the Gospel.​
 
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I was raised a Roman Catholic and at times I was practicing, other times I was more nominal. A little while back I felt like my soul was lost and I started asking Jesus to come into my life. I felt like I had a born again experience in that I felt Jesus presence and I began crying. I felt very good for about a week and started living more responsibly, making a conscious effort to be more Christlike. I began watching Christian television and this is where some of my concerns arose. Although I find many preachers on these channels quite inspirational, the repeated message of "Accept Jesus or else" troubles me.

I understand how due to our sinful nature and all falling short of the Kingdom of God we need Christ for redemption. It also makes sense to me that the proud receive the Law while the humble receive grace. I humbled myself and begged for Jesus' forgiveness and for Him to come into my life. I am pleased with all of this, yet my mind keeps analyzing some Christian beliefs.



Is it really fair that Hindu's, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Bahais, Taoists, etc., all non christians go to hell? We are all influenced by our environment so how can it be fair that a person given biased information about Christianity in a non-Christian country would be judged by the same standard as one who was raised in a different way?

What about those who have not understood or been taught about Christianity. Can they really be held accountable? Any advice or opinions on my concerns would be appreciated.


Well' I think this is why God stresses that we SPREAD the gospel:
This is why Jesus died; so that the good news of salvation can be shared with those that are raised differently:
So we go out and share the truth; trusting God to toucht their hearts:

You have two issues that i feel in my heart:
First you have concerns about the absolute truth in regards to Christianity:
And then you have issues with God judging those that done live by that truth:
Yet if we TRULY understand; we will see the imoportance of not only living by the truth; but also sharing that truth to those that are seduced by lies:
That absolute truth tells me that Jesus is the only way; because He is the only one that can allow me to live a life pleasing to God:
He is the Only One that can change me in a way that makes my nature and actions pleasing to God from the heart without; by taking in the Word of God; we express the life of that word; and man alone can live in the light of that life; Thus there is no question for me except how am i living,

Am I living in a light that can reveal the truth to my soul; casting confusing aside by whats absolute; JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY:

Thus in this I see the importance of sharing this truth with those that try to please God outside of the Holy Spirit of God in Christ

Jesus said; do you love Me; then feed my sheep:
God has the same concern you have;
And we are called to be teh vessels that bridges the gap of love and misunderstanding; showing humanity the WAY to TRULY love God:
Its done not only by acknowledging Jesus; But RATHER BY EXCEPTING HIM

And we except Him by allowing Him to live; and to reign in our lives:
By saying no to sin and yes to the action of His Holy Leading: Blessings
 
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Hi! I would say that that question has been one of the hardest things for me to comprehend and confront, and I don't know that my answer to it is a particularly informed one, but this is how I see it: God loves each and every person on earth, therefore he wants them to have a chance to join him in Heaven, and therefore, he will show them a way to Him. We probably don't understand it, and we may or may not play a part in someone else's journey, and maybe some people stray off the path (or maybe God finds a way for everyone). We don't know, but we do know God loves everyone, so we can trust Him.
 
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conflicted1, remember "a while back when you felt like your soul was lost"? That was The Holy Spirit. He was drawing you - it's one of the things He does. He draws others, too and uses different ways of getting our attention. Iin fact, it's fascinating to hear different folks' testimony. Yahweh is always wanting us to acknowledge His Son, Yeshua. Once we are believers, there's nothing wrong with repenting, it helps keep our hearts humble before Him.
 
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Dear conflicted1. Jesus died for all, whosoever will, may come. Jesus died on the Cross, His Blood washed our sins away, and He paid the prize which God`s Holy demanded. Would`nt your head agree that Jesus has the perfect right to lead us back to God? Even this imperfect world would agree that Jesus saved us, He is our Saviour and Him do we follow. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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yet my mind keeps analyzing some Christian beliefs.
In general, this is a good thing. Why would anyone devote their lives to something they have not resolved in their mind, or were not allowed to scrutinize? You should always feel free to talk with God about things that disturb you, and sort through practices that do not seem correct.

Look at teachings this way -- the world has thousands of Christian denominations, all with somewhat differing doctrine. So everyone must be slightly off the mark, but God still loves them and continues to steer them toward His ideal for them. And everyone needs different things.

As for the non-Christians, I consider that a separate topic, but still something you can talk with God about. I think that preachers mention it to motivate people in evangelism, but creating levels of acceptability can also be a tool of any group to make people feel special for belonging.

Jesus' death was the sacrifice once, for all. If a Hindu, Muslim, or cult leader was willing to come into covenant with God and accept this redemptive act, God's terms of agreement include them, in general. Turning their hearts toward Him, and obeying His words are the main focus.

There are other details of course -- if they were still burning incense to deities, active in Jihad, killing friends off with poison koolaid...
 
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