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Okay guys seriously! I have schizoaffective disorder and I get manic sometimes but most the time I'm down. When I do get manic like I am now I get like this. I type type, type. I love being high but the crash is horrible. I need to motivate my energy into something positive. But, hey come now! It isn't so bad being like this. But the voices get my OCD going thats why I hate taking anti-psychotics because it makes me down. It doesn't level me out just makes me UGH!. So so so I'm like Charlie Sheen lol.
 

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I feel for you...
try channeling your energy into a hobby or something other then exposing yourself on facebook/online

my wife has Bipolar and when she gets high.. the world knows it because she preaches at peole via 1000 private messages a day.

So, do something constructive instead of being on the computer.

IMHO

all the best with it
 
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I feel for you...
try channeling your energy into a hobby or something other then exposing yourself on facebook/online

my wife has Bipolar and when she gets high.. the world knows it because she preaches at peole via 1000 private messages a day.

So, do something constructive instead of being on the computer.

IMHO

all the best with it

Agreed. Hide the computer and credit cards when manic.

yup...that happens to me too. Well, i don't preach, but i email the living daylights out of everyone....and fb...well, that was the worse thing that could ever happen to a manic person..LOL....but i do manage to get a few real good zingers out of the the plethora of minutia. I email just about everything that excites me....from my poetry, to acrobatic syllogisms, to wacky epiphanies and everything else in between.

This time around, i've been showing more discipline.... the compulsion to write/email still happens (especially in the beginning of the manic ride), but what i've forced myself to do is save it as a draft and not send it. It's like compulsive shopping.....leave the items in your online cart and come back to it the next day to see if you still really need those items;If you still want to buy into your impulses and bombard others with the same purchases. I must be so annoying to others and so crazy sounding and that really sucks to realize how others must view you. It really can do a number on your sense of dignity. I go back to my old emails after getting "sober" and i just can't believe some of the things i write about let alone share with others (so embarrassing)....but then other times, since i do have a background in creative writing, some of my best gems were born during manias. (There's a book that addresses that last phenomenon. I.E the realtionship between art and mania. Very interesting. It's called "Touched by fire") I'm more of a visual artist in these last years, but i always return to writing when manic.

Before the internet existed, i would create art non-stop till i exhausted myself. Not just art, but lots of other projects too such as carpentry, gardening, redecorating, playing Darwin and get very naturalist (from entymology, to botany, etc) Projects that eventually become many at once and often many unfinished at once which sux once the sharp focus starts to dull and the ideas begin to exponentially branch and splinter.

I still create more when manic, but the internet really becomes a vortex i find so difficult to detach from when in this state.....i sometimes feel like i've wasted sooooooooooooo much time when i could have been creating artwork at least. Pre-internet days, i did still manage to still find huge time wasters (like making lists of lists without actually doing anything on the "to do" lists. hahaha
...... i think of it sort of like "tweaking"...... it's this overwhelming impulse or compulsion to not only socialize, but "collect", organize, categorize, record, catalog, dissect, absorb and then share with the world. I don't know why but,at the time, it almost seems dire to express and share every little thing that feels the need to explode out of you. I guess you get deluded into concluding that since it's so very important to you, it will be to everyone else once they read/hear it. Is it ego? Maybe..sometimes, but it's also this impulsive desire to express what you are experiencing....as if it cannot or should not be kept to yourself or contained in just one brain. It's a very supernova feeling...... it's as if you must exhale every constellation your super-hero brain manages to inhale.

Regarding the hyper-spirituality you mentioned with your wife, this was also something i used to fall into....but not nearly as much anymore. So yea, it's not surprising to hear how that can happen to your wife. I really hate the hyper spirituality stuff more than anything because later it really causes me to question some of what i thought were real spiritual encounters or epiphanies which later becomes the ammunition my deluded depressed brain uses against me to further question everything i hold dear. Because of this dynamic, i think i really have become sensitive to NOT embracing that path due to how it's hurt my faith.

I have to admit, i enjoy mania of course, more than depression.... who doesn't? But i'm not sure which causes more damage. Either way, i'd rather stay in a hypo-mania than in those dark cellars that torment me so. Pure agony. At least with mania there's euphoria unless it becomes mixed or psychotic. It's so weird how when you're manic, you never really believe you'll return to the cellar, but you do dread it because experience has taught you that you'll eventually swing to the other pole. However, when in that dark place of equal delusion, it's almost impossible to even imagine your other self....your true self.... You not only disbelieve you'll feel balanced again, but mania seems like someone else's memory. You really not only find it impossible to imagine being that way again, but literally do not believe in your heart that the current depression will pass even if your head tells you it will. That's when i have to remind myself in almost a mantra that it WILL happen and that i must trust what i know has always happened rather than what i feel can't happen. It's not easy and i'm not sure if reminding myself makes a difference, but it at least helps me to "ride it out" a little while longer in the hopes that it will go away like the chicken pox did.

ok, i guess i'm probably writing too much. My apologies. Still hypo manic.

Anyway, i wanted to ask you: How does your wife feel once she becomes "sober" again and realizes what she's done? Does she feel regret? When she gets preachy, does she tend to be on the judgmental/abbrasive side or is it more like an overload of all things spiritual that she feels compelled to express and share?

btw, are you bipolar too or are you here to understand her better?
 
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Okay guys seriously! I have schizoaffective disorder and I get manic sometimes but most the time I'm down. When I do get manic like I am now I get like this. I type type, type. I love being high but the crash is horrible. I need to motivate my energy into something positive. But, hey come now! It isn't so bad being like this. But the voices get my OCD going thats why I hate taking anti-psychotics because it makes me down. It doesn't level me out just makes me UGH!. So so so I'm like Charlie Sheen lol.


Dabro, i know exactly what you mean. People who haven't experienced the "euphoric" side of mania can't know how great and invincible it feels and i think it's even more so for those of us who experience dreadfully dark depressions. It can seem like finding an oasis in the desert or getting rescued by mermaids who have given you the ability to breath just when you were drowning....then on top of that, they invite you to live in fantasy land with them... :clap:.....so yea, mania is a hard one to let go of....but that is precisely why it's so seductive and dangerous. Not only because of the aftermath once it gets out of control, but as you mentioned: the crash that follows. Another dangerous part about it, is what often happens to people experiencing manic....that's when you don't think you need the meds, or when you shrug off going to dr. and seeking treatment since everything feels peachy keen. That sucks about your anti-psychotics.... too bad they have that effect. Did you stop taking them? Are you not wanting to take them because of that 'ugh" feeling? Have you tried other meds? I say, keep trying them till you find the least "ugh" ones.

Everyone's chemistry is unique, but i hear a lot of advances are in the horizon. Long story short, i heard something is in the works where they will soon have "custom" meds for the individual.... i.e uniquely designed meds to specifically cater to the unique chemical make up of each patient. I hope this really happens. It'll be a huge break through.

Anyway, be careful, think twice and stay safe. Don't believe everything the mermaids tell you.... those sirens can also be deadly...very fem fatale, if you're not careful. So is there anything constructive, creative and self beneficial this state can grant you? What are your interests?
We must figure out ways to make the mania work for us rather than allowing ourselves to bend to its will.
 
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ok, here i go over-writing again. But maybe it's better that you guys get the exhale than the people i have to face later. right? lol

well, this here is something i recently recorded during the beginning of a manic rise. I'm starting to balance out, but i still like to write which is also natural considering my lit. background. Overlook my lack of proper punctuation, grammar etc.... i don't have the patience to follow those rules when on the internet and manic. So i just write in a very informal conversational format and invent my own rules. ;)

I have recorded many descriptions of past manic moments and this is my latest one. Thought i'd share it since it related to the subject of wasting time via media....which is what i must be doing now.

Here is what i wrote to a friend of mine when trying to describe to her what it feel like. Can anyone relate to these feelings? (btw, i'm being metaphorical/poetic with the carnival theme...not hallucinating. Just wanted to mention that just in case you thought otherwise.) :sorry:
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Too much rose inside my glasses. i almost can't see anything but the whirr of carousel wind-spots. At night, the carnival lights blur with the movements of tents, and stilts and clowns on Ferris wheels. I choke on rose petals and think it merciless that not one flower can be plucked as I circle past; Not one magnolia or pomegranate savored long enough to really enjoy. If only I could sit but for a moment in this orchard grove and feel the storm of cherry blossoms on my face. If only I could command the sky-currents and wind-catch just the right amount of pink paper coins that are these wafer blossoms.

If only Zephyr's kite would sail---just enough to stir them off their branch-nests….just enough, so i could watch them float like milkweed, or corkscrew down as sycamore pods. I’ll help them turn like paper wings that flicker with the monarch’s arm then let them swirl like petals should and fall as softly as the cotton snow.


i get nothing real done. my thoughts like blinking lights...a thousand pulsing fire flies i cannot catch. Everything means everything and all i do is make a fool of myself by pouring out drunken mounds of lights and dead insects into everyone’s inbox. Such a compulsion...resisting is futile...the string around my finger--- i keep forgetting that it's there, just like I forget the hours that hide from me...how 6am will switch to 8pm in the blink of an eye...before the light turns green again and when that dreadful thought arrives when I realize that only i know what i write about. I don't know what to do, or how to stop. It seems wisest, for everyone elses' sake, to disconnect all telecom and bathe and eat and walk my dogs.


You know, how strange it is that almost all the results are the same as that other place, except for wanting death...the difference only in the teeming overgrowth of wildlife in my skull.

ok..................... Will....i summon you to stop right here. You see, you do have power over your synapses. ;):doh:

ok...it's time to eat something!

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one last excerpt...short and sweet. It just feels better when i get it out there. don't understand why... but it's like i completed something. The following is just a creative writing exercise describing something beautifully futile.

…the way the water keeps pouring into the sand pocket you so labored over,….it feels like seal skin or the boys on dolphins I could never catch….no matter how much we scoop out velvet sand, the tide keeps brushing in the yellow grains, folding in the walls, collapsed by little streams of ocean ribbon----clean with salt and barely blue. We sense a peaceful thing......hypnotic, in the way it quiets us….the rhythm of each soft cascade when it comes apart so quietly.... it’s like a cake from childhood or like the mermaid children being born.
 
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Agreed. Hide the computer and credit cards when manic.

yup...that happens to me too. Well, i don't preach, but i email the living daylights out of everyone....and fb...well, that was the worse thing that could ever happen to a manic person..LOL....but i do manage to get a few real good zingers out of the the plethora of minutia. I email just about everything that excites me....from my poetry, to acrobatic syllogisms, to wacky epiphanies and everything else in between.

This time around, i've been showing more discipline.... the compulsion to write/email still happens (especially in the beginning of the manic ride), but what i've forced myself to do is save it as a draft and not send it. It's like compulsive shopping.....leave the items in your online cart and come back to it the next day to see if you still really need those items;If you still want to buy into your impulses and bombard others with the same purchases. I must be so annoying to others and so crazy sounding and that really sucks to realize how others must view you. It really can do a number on your sense of dignity. I go back to my old emails after getting "sober" and i just can't believe some of the things i write about let alone share with others (so embarrassing)....but then other times, since i do have a background in creative writing, some of my best gems were born during manias. (There's a book that addresses that last phenomenon. I.E the realtionship between art and mania. Very interesting. It's called "Touched by fire") I'm more of a visual artist in these last years, but i always return to writing when manic.

Before the internet existed, i would create art non-stop till i exhausted myself. Not just art, but lots of other projects too such as carpentry, gardening, redecorating, playing Darwin and get very naturalist (from entymology, to botany, etc) Projects that eventually become many at once and often many unfinished at once which sux once the sharp focus starts to dull and the ideas begin to exponentially branch and splinter.

I still create more when manic, but the internet really becomes a vortex i find so difficult to detach from when in this state.....i sometimes feel like i've wasted sooooooooooooo much time when i could have been creating artwork at least. Pre-internet days, i did still manage to still find huge time wasters (like making lists of lists without actually doing anything on the "to do" lists. hahaha
...... i think of it sort of like "tweaking"...... it's this overwhelming impulse or compulsion to not only socialize, but "collect", organize, categorize, record, catalog, dissect, absorb and then share with the world. I don't know why but,at the time, it almost seems dire to express and share every little thing that feels the need to explode out of you. I guess you get deluded into concluding that since it's so very important to you, it will be to everyone else once they read/hear it. Is it ego? Maybe..sometimes, but it's also this impulsive desire to express what you are experiencing....as if it cannot or should not be kept to yourself or contained in just one brain. It's a very supernova feeling...... it's as if you must exhale every constellation your super-hero brain manages to inhale.

Regarding the hyper-spirituality you mentioned with your wife, this was also something i used to fall into....but not nearly as much anymore. So yea, it's not surprising to hear how that can happen to your wife. I really hate the hyper spirituality stuff more than anything because later it really causes me to question some of what i thought were real spiritual encounters or epiphanies which later becomes the ammunition my deluded depressed brain uses against me to further question everything i hold dear. Because of this dynamic, i think i really have become sensitive to NOT embracing that path due to how it's hurt my faith.

I have to admit, i enjoy mania of course, more than depression.... who doesn't? But i'm not sure which causes more damage. Either way, i'd rather stay in a hypo-mania than in those dark cellars that torment me so. Pure agony. At least with mania there's euphoria unless it becomes mixed or psychotic. It's so weird how when you're manic, you never really believe you'll return to the cellar, but you do dread it because experience has taught you that you'll eventually swing to the other pole. However, when in that dark place of equal delusion, it's almost impossible to even imagine your other self....your true self.... You not only disbelieve you'll feel balanced again, but mania seems like someone else's memory. You really not only find it impossible to imagine being that way again, but literally do not believe in your heart that the current depression will pass even if your head tells you it will. That's when i have to remind myself in almost a mantra that it WILL happen and that i must trust what i know has always happened rather than what i feel can't happen. It's not easy and i'm not sure if reminding myself makes a difference, but it at least helps me to "ride it out" a little while longer in the hopes that it will go away like the chicken pox did.

ok, i guess i'm probably writing too much. My apologies. Still hypo manic.

Anyway, i wanted to ask you: How does your wife feel once she becomes "sober" again and realizes what she's done? Does she feel regret? When she gets preachy, does she tend to be on the judgmental/abbrasive side or is it more like an overload of all things spiritual that she feels compelled to express and share?

btw, are you bipolar too or are you here to understand her better?

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Thanks for the great reply.

She typically wants to quit facebook and feels bad for neglecting the house and kids. Mostly she gets upset nobody comented on her "Preaches" and IF some poor soul does comment.. she spams them with another four or five over-zealous comments after their one or two word remark. She "connects" everything and relates things that are compleetley A-Biblical to a half quoted verse taken out of context. then justifies her crazy behaviour with things like "well what about that guy that walked around naked for a year". She also posts LOTS of youtube videos with her message she's trying to put across in there somewhere.

she doesn't get abrasive.. mostly over excited, over zealous and loving and gets very hurt if people dont comment or reply.. then she frets and gets anxious over it and tries to over explain simple things.

When she starts coming down, she deletes the hundreds of photos she has uploaded, and all her comments (which takes days).
Then she de-activates her account.

Within a week she's back on there because she's a social person and then before we know it "just a few" photos turns into hours of uploading.

over the last 10 years she has wanted to be averything from a florist, cake decorator, muffin baker, fashion designer, photographer, artist, and can never settle or stick to one vocation. It changes literally week to week.


She is often "manic" and goes through a high phase every couple of months. Only 4 weeks ago did she have a real meltdown where she became psychotic. IE believeing God told her he was coming back.
So she drove to the church blowing the horn and calling people to come and be taken with her.. then she lay in the parkinglot and waited while the ants bit her. The kids were runing around her in what is currently a construction area. Then over the days it turned into believing she could speak in various languages that she obviously couldn't. Staring at the sun so she could see Angels. Believing she IS an angel.. believeing heaven and earth are one and she's immortal, she looked at me and caled me her dad and started asking me (as if i was her dad) why I wasn't around and saying she misses me.. talking about being a twin and calling people by names she knows aren't their own. :doh:

I believe it started aroung 8-10 weeks ago when she started going on about starting her own church where everyone is accepted.. a rastafarian church and all the religions are welcome and nobody is wrong.
Naturally, nothing I say is right. Everthign is "not supporting" and "this is why I don;t want to be with you" ...there is no reason with her no matter how nicely i say it.

Yeah, she got it bad that time.
she's curretly still in the Mental health unit. she's starting to recover and is asking about the kids finally. so I hope she will be released this week.
She has admitted what she did was wrong but cant understant that it wan't God.. it wasn't the Devil. it was just the illness.. she's still trying to spiritualise everything.

I guess i'm here to learn more.. I found it hard to cope with her moods.
one day i'm the light of her life.. a week or two later she regrets marrying me, loves someone else and wants a divorce. It's pretty hard knowing what is real and what is the illness. This is al pretty new to me.. i've been trying to ignore it and protect her because I din't want ther labelled as crazy even though I have long supected (secretly) that she does have some slight Psychological isues.

6 weeks ago during the build up, if she had walked out I would have actually been happy. I didn't realise it was just the illness. She's always denied she had a problem because she doesn't want to be like her mother, who has been Bi-Polar for the last 40 years.

it's actually somewhat of a relief knowing i'm not a bad husband and that she really is actually crazy sometimes.. it makes it easier to cope with knowing it's not really our relaionship that's broken.. it's just periodic chemical imbalances.

thanks for your kind support by offering your story.. it's sortof nice to know she isn't the only one.
 
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Thanks for the great reply.

She typically wants to quit facebook and feels bad for neglecting the house and kids. Mostly she gets upset nobody comented on her "Preaches" and IF some poor soul does comment.. she spams them with another four or five over-zealous comments after their one or two word remark. She "connects" everything and relates things that are compleetley A-Biblical to a half quoted verse taken out of context. then justifies her crazy behaviour with things like "well what about that guy that walked around naked for a year". She also posts LOTS of youtube videos with her message she's trying to put across in there somewhere.

she doesn't get abrasive.. mostly over excited, over zealous and loving and gets very hurt if people dont comment or reply.. then she frets and gets anxious over it and tries to over explain simple things.

When she starts coming down, she deletes the hundreds of photos she has uploaded, and all her comments (which takes days).
Then she de-activates her account.

Within a week she's back on there because she's a social person and then before we know it "just a few" photos turns into hours of uploading.

over the last 10 years she has wanted to be averything from a florist, cake decorator, muffin baker, fashion designer, photographer, artist, and can never settle or stick to one vocation. It changes literally week to week.


She is often "manic" and goes through a high phase every couple of months. Only 4 weeks ago did she have a real meltdown where she became psychotic. IE believeing God told her he was coming back.
So she drove to the church blowing the horn and calling people to come and be taken with her.. then she lay in the parkinglot and waited while the ants bit her. The kids were runing around her in what is currently a construction area. Then over the days it turned into believing she could speak in various languages that she obviously couldn't. Staring at the sun so she could see Angels. Believing she IS an angel.. believeing heaven and earth are one and she's immortal, she looked at me and caled me her dad and started asking me (as if i was her dad) why I wasn't around and saying she misses me.. talking about being a twin and calling people by names she knows aren't their own. :doh:

I believe it started aroung 8-10 weeks ago when she started going on about starting her own church where everyone is accepted.. a rastafarian church and all the religions are welcome and nobody is wrong.
Naturally, nothing I say is right. Everthign is "not supporting" and "this is why I don;t want to be with you" ...there is no reason with her no matter how nicely i say it.

Yeah, she got it bad that time.
she's curretly still in the Mental health unit. she's starting to recover and is asking about the kids finally. so I hope she will be released this week.
She has admitted what she did was wrong but cant understant that it wan't God.. it wasn't the Devil. it was just the illness.. she's still trying to spiritualise everything.

I guess i'm here to learn more.. I found it hard to cope with her moods.
one day i'm the light of her life.. a week or two later she regrets marrying me, loves someone else and wants a divorce. It's pretty hard knowing what is real and what is the illness. This is al pretty new to me.. i've been trying to ignore it and protect her because I din't want ther labelled as crazy even though I have long supected (secretly) that she does have some slight Psychological isues.

6 weeks ago during the build up, if she had walked out I would have actually been happy. I didn't realise it was just the illness. She's always denied she had a problem because she doesn't want to be like her mother, who has been Bi-Polar for the last 40 years.

it's actually somewhat of a relief knowing i'm not a bad husband and that she really is actually crazy sometimes.. it makes it easier to cope with knowing it's not really our relaionship that's broken.. it's just periodic chemical imbalances.

thanks for your kind support by offering your story.. it's sortof nice to know she isn't the only one.

oh man! That's gotta be rough for everyone.... her, you ...the kids.
So am i to understand that she has been recently diagnosed? Has she been on meds this whole time or just started now once hospitalized?
It sounds like she's gone untreated for a long time and in denial.

How early in the marriage did she start to exhibit the symptoms?

Listen, let me first tell you something to encourage you.... much of what you said regarding her thinking of you one way, then the exact opposite sounds to me very much like the sickness talking. Unfortunately, to an "NT" (a neuro-typical), those words and deeds stick with you and haunt you and really hurt a relationship. Think of it like a kind of involuntary drunken state where your judgment is impaired and inhibitions lowered. It's especially worse when you go untreated, remain in denial and never address what's really happening.... When a bipolar person doesn't learn about what bipolar really is, they don't learn how to understand themselves...how to even see it correctly once the episode has passed. Ignorance and denial is the worst thing for not only the patient, but for those around them. Psychologically, this is so traumatic and devastating. Think of what it does to you psychologically, now imagine the confusion, the conflict and the disrepair one must feel who goes through it. It's hard to explain...what i mean is, it sounds like your wife is finding it hard to realize what has been happening because her delusions weren't acknowledged as delusions....not by herself or others...so what happens is that delusions, as opposed to hallucinations, are harder to route out since they become ingrafted to your way of thinking...your way of believing and if that's all you know, you believe that is really who you are or what reality is. Does that make sense?
I don't really know for sure how long i've been struggling with bipolar...maybe since teen years? or earlier...not sure, but knowing what i know now about the illness, myself and how i manifest my symptoms, i can look back and pin point almost every depressed and manic episode... i can recognize in retrospect what was clearly manic behavior etc. I can even recognize or acknowledge it while it's happening, but really do something about it when the meds start kicking in. It sounds to me that whatever she went through with her mother and the stigma that went along with that was unfortunately too painful for her ...... something that not only affected her when growing up, but continued to rob from her into her adult years. The longer you go untreated, the more severe the episodes become.
The way many, if not most, people deal with very painful experiences are to not just block them out and bury, but to do everything to avoid any hint of anything that may remind you...because remembering feels too close to reliving it, so for those like your wife, who, as a child, not only witnessed the albatross that is this unrecognized illness, but was reared by the instability of it, is especially prone to avoid and deny its existence out of fear of it happening to them. I suspect that her mother too suffered with this illness for a long time before getting treated if at all. At the least, it was probably not something out in the open, explained to the kids, or talked about in the way families regard other illnesses. The irony is that by her avoiding her mother's illness and fearing the stigma, the exact opposite has occurred in her own life. Denial causes a person to remain in ignorance....ignoring what is happening just compounds the problem and feeds it. This sort of thing only serves to complicate treatment.

The problem is not the label, it's our society's lack of sympathy, lack of empathy and calloused prejudice for those whose illness happens to take place in the organ located above the neck. Any other physiological illness
is looked upon with great understanding and rallying sympathy....but not so for us....Even the institutions that are supposed to treat us, often patronize us, ignore us and strip us of even more dignity. People like us live in fear and secrecy because of how we're perceived and treated by the rest of society. We are raised to believe that being mentally ill is either the butt of jokes, criminal, somehow the person's own doing or something to be greatly feared. Most people really don't even like to try to empathize... it's one of those illnesses most people avoid like the plague and just thank their lucky stars it doesn't have anything to do with their lives. It's too messy for most people....even christians. To make matters worse for those of us who are xians, the church has failed us even more by calling it the devil or sin, which is the reason your wife is trapped in her thinking. She's finding it hard to reconcile what she has learned with what she is experiencing, so she is confused and trying to make some sense out of it....still trying to avoid the fact that she is sick like her mother is/was sick... or rather that she too has inherited this biological illness. Since many xians find this illness a challenge to their erroneous, over-simplistic understanding of God's nature, they end up going a step further with a 2nd label by calling it sin or the devil's doing....which is so extremely painful and harmful to those who suffer from this already shameful disease.

See that's the real killer..... the fear, the denial, the secrecy and the shame. Your wife would have gotten treated a long time ago for this and perhaps could have avoided a good chunk of her exponential instability were it not for society's shame. I'm not ashamed for having this illness, but others are and so, in time, it wedges itself inside like an inchworm and eventually makes me feel ashamed as well.....and boy does that imposed shame like to show up during the times you need it least..i.e during the suicidal/depressions when shame is already part of the delusional thinking.

The best thing you can do to protect her is to understand this illness yourself, make sure she gets the best treatment and never make her to feel "crazy" and ashamed for suffering from something she could not help being born into. It sounds like you truly have been a good and loving husband and have had to deal with a lot especially when you don't know what you're dealing with. I'm so glad you are starting to recognize the chemical culprits and that she is finally getting treatment. I suggest you get treatment as well, by way of counseling or joining one of those support groups that are for the loved ones of the mentally ill. I'm also glad you're here....it really shows how much you love her and how important it is for you to mend the relationship. Stick around and you will see how alone she really isn't in her experiences and the more you see the similarities, the more you will realize it's not her true heart talking, but the sickness itself. This will help you to forgive the pain her words cause and be more steadfast in your patience, which by the sounds of it, it seems like you've had the patience of a saint. I pray that God's loving kindness will carry your sadness and help you bear this burden. Your wife is very blessed to have you on her side.

Anyway, i'm glad to share my story. Please feel free to ask me anything about my personal battle with this illness if it helps you to understand your wife more.... most of us here are very open about this stuff. And remember, the more you know, the better equipped you will be to help your wife overcome the obstacles. Allow her to realize this at her own pace and take this in. Has she been in therapy before this or planning to be once she's out of the hospital? If she hasn't, i strongly suggest she finds a good therapist as part of her treatment. The 2 should go hand in hand. Perhaps later, the 2 of you may benefit from couple's counseling since this illness can be a strain on any relationship.

I've never gotten to the point of a psychotic break like your wife has but i've had psychotic features. Fortunately i was treated before it got to that. What you mentioned about misconstruing a verse and relating everything to something spiritual and seeing everything as a sign from god etc....is something i have experienced exactly. Like i said, this happened pre-facebook days Thank god! But listen, i no longer do that anymore or allow myself to trust my manic thoughts that tend to want to make these associations. I have a whole theory about this that i'll tell you about another time, but it's basically your brain trying to make sense of the faulty wiring, and thus the need to make neat categorical associations that have some semblance of logic to them even though they are nothing but illogical. I believe the insistence to make them seem logical, even after you sober up, has to do with one's inability to face the pain of not being able to reconcile these 2 worlds. To realize you really aren't a prophet and all of it nothing but a grand neurological light show....not god's doing or god's fault. That is why she then turns to blaming it on satan....because it's a hard pill to swallow once you realized all that spiritual elation came no where else but from your broken brain which would then make you to not only feel like a fool, but no longer feel as though you're particularly special or chosen by god which is all part of the delusional thinking. It's called delusions of grandeur.

Thanx for sharing and listening....it has helped me work some of this stuff out for myself as i recalled what it was like to feel what your wife now feels. So hang in there. There is hope. Treatment can be very effective and greatly improve one's quality of life, but most of all, we have a hope in Christ....that whatever trials come our way....it is better to suffer with him than without him. At the end, it's the only thing that makes sense in what sometimes seems like an absurd existence.

My thoughts and prayers are with your family
 
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oh and btw, once your wife realizes she isn't alone in her symptoms it will be a great comfort to her once she gets over the denial stuff. The people that have comforted me the most are those who have suffered like i do...who truly understand what it's like to go thru what i go thru. Amazingly enough, they are actually some of the wisest people i know and sometimes even do a better job than any dr. or therapist i've ever known.
I'm currently at the tail end of my mania and you should see all the snazzy pics i've uploaded on fb. Luckily, they're all harmless and mostly funny stuff of things i like. I've trained myself to steer clear of anything that isn't light hearted in my uploads just so i don't have to go through the work of removing them later. ;)
 
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Agreed. Hide the computer and credit cards when manic.

yup...that happens to me too. Well, i don't preach, but i email the living daylights out of everyone....and fb...well, that was the worse thing that could ever happen to a manic person..LOL....but i do manage to get a few real good zingers out of the the plethora of minutia. I email just about everything that excites me....from my poetry, to acrobatic syllogisms, to wacky epiphanies and everything else in between.

This time around, i've been showing more discipline.... the compulsion to write/email still happens (especially in the beginning of the manic ride), but what i've forced myself to do is save it as a draft and not send it. It's like compulsive shopping.....leave the items in your online cart and come back to it the next day to see if you still really need those items;If you still want to buy into your impulses and bombard others with the same purchases. I must be so annoying to others and so crazy sounding and that really sucks to realize how others must view you. It really can do a number on your sense of dignity. I go back to my old emails after getting "sober" and i just can't believe some of the things i write about let alone share with others (so embarrassing)....but then other times, since i do have a background in creative writing, some of my best gems were born during manias. (There's a book that addresses that last phenomenon. I.E the realtionship between art and mania. Very interesting. It's called "Touched by fire") I'm more of a visual artist in these last years, but i always return to writing when manic.

Before the internet existed, i would create art non-stop till i exhausted myself. Not just art, but lots of other projects too such as carpentry, gardening, redecorating, playing Darwin and get very naturalist (from entymology, to botany, etc) Projects that eventually become many at once and often many unfinished at once which sux once the sharp focus starts to dull and the ideas begin to exponentially branch and splinter.

I still create more when manic, but the internet really becomes a vortex i find so difficult to detach from when in this state.....i sometimes feel like i've wasted sooooooooooooo much time when i could have been creating artwork at least. Pre-internet days, i did still manage to still find huge time wasters (like making lists of lists without actually doing anything on the "to do" lists. hahaha
...... i think of it sort of like "tweaking"...... it's this overwhelming impulse or compulsion to not only socialize, but "collect", organize, categorize, record, catalog, dissect, absorb and then share with the world. I don't know why but,at the time, it almost seems dire to express and share every little thing that feels the need to explode out of you. I guess you get deluded into concluding that since it's so very important to you, it will be to everyone else once they read/hear it. Is it ego? Maybe..sometimes, but it's also this impulsive desire to express what you are experiencing....as if it cannot or should not be kept to yourself or contained in just one brain. It's a very supernova feeling...... it's as if you must exhale every constellation your super-hero brain manages to inhale.

Regarding the hyper-spirituality you mentioned with your wife, this was also something i used to fall into....but not nearly as much anymore. So yea, it's not surprising to hear how that can happen to your wife. I really hate the hyper spirituality stuff more than anything because later it really causes me to question some of what i thought were real spiritual encounters or epiphanies which later becomes the ammunition my deluded depressed brain uses against me to further question everything i hold dear. Because of this dynamic, i think i really have become sensitive to NOT embracing that path due to how it's hurt my faith.

I have to admit, i enjoy mania of course, more than depression.... who doesn't? But i'm not sure which causes more damage. Either way, i'd rather stay in a hypo-mania than in those dark cellars that torment me so. Pure agony. At least with mania there's euphoria unless it becomes mixed or psychotic. It's so weird how when you're manic, you never really believe you'll return to the cellar, but you do dread it because experience has taught you that you'll eventually swing to the other pole. However, when in that dark place of equal delusion, it's almost impossible to even imagine your other self....your true self.... You not only disbelieve you'll feel balanced again, but mania seems like someone else's memory. You really not only find it impossible to imagine being that way again, but literally do not believe in your heart that the current depression will pass even if your head tells you it will. That's when i have to remind myself in almost a mantra that it WILL happen and that i must trust what i know has always happened rather than what i feel can't happen. It's not easy and i'm not sure if reminding myself makes a difference, but it at least helps me to "ride it out" a little while longer in the hopes that it will go away like the chicken pox did.

ok, i guess i'm probably writing too much. My apologies. Still hypo manic.

Anyway, i wanted to ask you: How does your wife feel once she becomes "sober" again and realizes what she's done? Does she feel regret? When she gets preachy, does she tend to be on the judgmental/abbrasive side or is it more like an overload of all things spiritual that she feels compelled to express and share?

btw, are you bipolar too or are you here to understand her better?
You see my dear sister! It's good to be the unique you that God Created you to be! Because you just really blessed me with a truly universal broad perspective - across an amazingly vast spectrum of a complete parodoxical - interstellar sift in the gallactic realm of the fifth membrane!! Lol..i know that our Abba GOD The Father Loves! Because for some Right Brained Random Reason,in my grandios insanity! I think it's very reasonable and sane to have the audacity to Believe that we often are very intertaining too our Abba GOD Through Christ Jesus By His Holy Spirit Just As He Intends For us To Be(((AMEN)))!!!:clap::amen::clap:
 
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(Quote from Schoder's Cats Place)

"It's so weird how when you're manic, you never really believe you'll return to the cellar, but you do dread it because experience has taught you that you'll eventually swing to the other pole. However, when in that dark place of equal delusion, it's almost impossible to even imagine your other self....your true self.... You not only disbelieve you'll feel balanced again, but mania seems like someone else's memory. You really not only find it impossible to imagine being that way again, but literally do not believe in your heart that the current depression will pass even if your head tells you it will. That's when i have to remind myself in almost a mantra that it WILL happen and that i must trust what i know has always happened rather than what i feel can't happen. It's not easy and i'm not sure if reminding myself makes a difference, but it at least helps me to "ride it out" a little while longer in the hopes that it will go away like the chicken pox did. "


I find that to be a vivid description of bipolar! :)
 
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