Fearful backslider

[98cwitr]

Could you not be afraid if you were nearly certain of eternal fire, loneliness, and maggots for you?

You could, but what would be the point? Seek Him...and seek the Truth. Turning a blind eye to the truth because you might not like it is pointless, futile, and not a smart move at all.

 

[Dave-W]

When you say all sins are forgiven past present and future, that kinda it OSAS.

Actually, if you think about it, every sin committed by anyone in the last 19 centuries, was at the time of the cross, a "future" sin.

 

[DeerGlow]

You could, but what would be the point? Seek Him...and seek the Truth. Turning a blind eye to the truth because you might not like it is pointless, futile, and not a smart move at all.

I'm just really scared. I need help.

 

[98cwitr]

I'm just really scared. I need help.

If what we've told you isn't sinking in, you're looking for it in the wrong place.

 

[MWood]

and dere dat is.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.…

So just confess our sin? or does that along with what the Lords prayer states, give anyone the idea that we might just need to ask forgiveness?...Does me. Example, when the Catholic say the part.."for I have sinned", do you get the idea they are seeking forgiveness? I do.

Since I suspect the verse will be scrutinized, even though it does just say "confess", we confess for "forgiveness" so in reality, the term "confess" in context of the verse IS asking for forgiveness.

But wait, why would we even need to confess our sins, if they were already forgiven? What would be the point?

How bout this.

Galatians 5:19-21King James Version (KJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Then you are also saying since we are preforgiven we can do those things the Bible specifically forbids and be fine? Yes, that is precisely what you are saying, but then I will get the, "no it's not really that way" and I'll be ready for that.

Personally, if I did those things, even just once, I'd want to be sure I got back in Gods good graces, ask forgiveness, and stop doing them. But you are actually stating I don't have to, I can do those things if I like, don't worry about asking for forgiveness because all my sins are already covered. Problem with that is, it doesn't get God what he wants from us...to be obediant Christians.

Yeah, think I'll stick with what the Lords prayer/Christ tells us to do, not men.

Confess in 1John1:9 is the same as admit, or acknowledge. It doesn't say to whom you must confess. So it is left open for you to confess, admit, or acknowledge your sins to yourself. That you know that these are sins that you will avoid in the future.

If, what you have posted from Galatians is what you want to do, by all means do it, but remember Pauls' warning. A true Christian is in Christ and Christ is in him, and he doesn't want to do those things. And he wont. You are a Christian, and you know this.

The Strong's #3670

 

[Kenny'sID]

Confess in 1John1:9 is the same as admit, or acknowledge. It doesn't say to whom you must confess. So it is left open for you to confess, admit, or acknowledge your sins to yourself. That you know that these are sins that you will avoid in the future.

Expecting that, I already covered it. We confess for forgiveness, it's clearly right the in the verse, and who forgives sin? Christ/God, so if we confess, in context with the verse, we are asking forgiveness, just as we are told to do, yet you fiddle with it and completely ignored/left out the "forgiveness" part of the verse. Not good.

If, what you have posted from Galatians is what you want to do, by all means do it, but remember Pauls' warning. A true Christian is in Christ and Christ is in him, and he doesn't want to do those things. And he wont. You are a Christian, and you know this.

He doesn't want us to do any sin. And a true christian can and does get out of Christ, yes, even true Christians, and no, the "they were never saved to begin with" is hoopla, so don't even. That is a man made catch all and has no Biblical backing. Falling away happens all the time, and to say those sins are forgiven already for one that falls away into those sins, would in turn mean it's impossible to fall away no matter if we do the things that will keep us from the Kingdom of God.

Read that last sentence carefully and you'll get it. In the end, what you are teaching makes no sense, and I dare say it's very dangerous.

 

[MWood]

Expecting that, I already covered it. We confess for forgiveness, it's clearly right the in the verse, and who forgives sin? Christ/God, so if we confess, in context with the verse, we are asking forgiveness, just as we are told to do, yet you fiddle with it and completely ignored/left out the "forgiveness" part of the verse. Not good.



He doesn't want us to do any sin. And a true christian can and does get out of Christ, yes, even true Christians, and no, the "they were never saved to begin with" is hoopla, so don't even. That is a man made catch all and has no Biblical backing. Falling away happens all the time, and to say those sins are forgiven already for one that falls away into those sins, would in turn mean it's impossible to fall away no matter if we do the things that will keep us from the Kingdom of God.

Read that last sentence carefully and you'll get it. In the end, what you are teaching makes no sense, and I dare say it's very dangerous.

You will never learn. You have no desire to.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You will never learn. You have no desire to.

Sigh*

 

[Sovereign Grace]

I'm so afraid all I will find is confirmation I am to become condemned. I've been so sinful it seems o only get worse and worse.

Beside the Gospel Pool

1 Beside the gospel pool
Appointed for the poor;
From year to year, my helpless soul
Has waited for a cure.

2 How often have I seen
The healing waters move;
And others, round me, stepping in
Their efficacy prove!

3 But my complaints remain,
I feel the very same;
As full of guilt. and fear, and pain,
As when as first I came.

4 O, would the Lord appear,
My malady to heal!
He knows how long I've languish'd here,
And what distress I feel.

5 How often have I thought,
Why should I longer lie?
Surely the mercy I have sought
Is not for such as I.

6 But whither can I go?
There is not other pool
Where streams of sovereign virtue flow
To make a sinner whole.

7 Here from day to day,
I'll wait, and hope, and try:
Can Jesus hear a sinner pray,
Yet suffer him to die?

8 No: he is full of grace;
He never will permit
A soul that fain would see his face,
To perish at his feet.

Not one soul that comes to Him in faith will He turn away.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

I'm just really scared. I need help.

I was a wandering Sheep


1 I was a wandering sheep,
I did not love the fold;
I did not love my Shepherd's voice,
I would not be controlled.
I was a wayward child,
I did not love my home;
I did not love my Father's voice,
I loved afar to roam.

2 The Shepherd sought His sheep,
The Father sought His child;
They followed me o'er vale and hill,
O'er deserts waste and wild:
They found me nigh to death,
Famished and faint and lone;
They bound me with the bands of love,
They saved the wandering one.

3 Jesus my Shepherd is;
'Twas He that loved my soul,
'Twas He that washed me in His blood,
'Twas He that made me whole;
'Twas He that sought the lost,
That found the wandering sheep,
'Twas He that brought me to the fold,
'Tis He that still doth keep.

4 I was a wandering sheep,
I would not be controlled;
But now I love my Shepherd's voice,
I love, I love the fold.
I was a wayward child,
I once preferred to roam;
But now I love my Father's voice,
I love, I love His home.

 

[98cwitr]

This thread made me think of this Scripture just now:

Philippians 2:12-13
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Verse 13 really drives the point home doesn't it?

 

[Kenny'sID]

On being afraid, of what you might find, I get that. With me it's usually little things that bring on little fears, happens all the time. But with the big stuff, I just have to treat it the same as I do the small, as in, I know I'm going to have to deal with it eventually, and that I'm definitely not going to ignore it forever anyway, so might as well jump right in, get it done with, and get rid of the stress it's causing me by not dealing with it. The longer I prolong, the more stress, much of which could be avoided it if I just do what I'm going to have to do anyway eventually.

Afraid of what I might find? If that thing is really there, it's there, at least if we get on with it, we can then know about it and start dealing with getting past it, or with any luck find out it wasn't there at all, or something in between/less harsh.

Then there is the bottom line on this particular thing, it's NOT something we want to put off when we are dealing with eternity stuff...darned serious business. So deal with it now or put it off and hope we are around to deal with it whenever, as there is always that chance we may not be, at which point, it will be dealt with for us.

 

[South Bound]

That is OSAS, or once saved always saved theology, it means you can do whatever you want and still go to heaven

I don't know where you got that idea but that's not at all what the Biblical doctrine of eternal security teaches

 

[lismore]

I don't want to go to hell but I don't think there are any chances left for me. .

Hello. In the book of Lamentations it says:

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.

It is never too late. God's mercies never come to an end. Tomorrow is a new day and a new chance for you to walk with him. It does not depend on your effort but on God's faithfulness. Be encouraged. Be blessed.

As for fear, all the more reason to lean on God.

 

[lismore]

"Forgive us out trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

I believe that ties in with the scripture in Colossians 3:13 'Forgive as the Lord forgave you'. It's automatic. When you've been forgiven, when you've received God's grace it has such an effect on you that it must automatically spill out into how you deal with others. You can't have encountered God and stay the same, nothing is the same, all is new. Just like if you were to stick your finger into an electrical socket there would be an automatic effect on you.

 

[lismore]

I don't know where you got that idea but that's not at all what the Biblical doctrine of eternal security teaches

Agreed.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I believe that ties in with the scripture in Colossians 3:13 'Forgive as the Lord forgave you'. It's automatic.

It stands on it's own and says just what it says. You may tie it to whatever you like to make it mean what you like but I'll take just as it is....add nothing and take nothing away.

 

[lismore]

It stands on it's own and says just what it says. You may tie it to whatever you like to make it mean what you like but I'll take just as it is....add nothing and take nothing away.

Good to meet you Kenny

 

[Kenny'sID]

Good to meet you Kenny

Are you sure?

 

[FaithfulPilgrim]

We are called to be set apart and live as a new creation. It doesn't mean we won't slip from time to time, but we always try our best.

Setting the bar too high can cause a person to lose faith since they don't think they're a Christian. Even if you struggle, keep perservering. Only if you reject the faith will be be guaranteed eternal damnation.