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Fear of the Lord
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"Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king" (1 Pet. 2:17).porcupine said:
According to Strong's #5399, the word fear is translated as phobeo, carrying the meaning of: to frighten, to be alarmed; to be in awe of.
In Christ,
Tracey
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HoT-MetaL
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I think the fear of the lord is slightly different. its not "Oh god i fear you in case you strike me down with a lightning bolt" its more like a "Oh God I fear falling out of a relationship with you if I sin"... My kind of view is that god is slow to anger and rich in mercy... you'd have to really *cough* him off for a punishment.
Anyways, thats how i see the fear of the lord and apply it in my life, its not nexessarily a universal thing.
Anyways, thats how i see the fear of the lord and apply it in my life, its not nexessarily a universal thing.
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hotmetal said:
I understand fearing falling out of relationship, but is there no place for fearing judgment? Did Ananias and Sapphira lack fear of losing relationship or lack of fear of judgment?
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HoT-MetaL
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Porcupine! What an awesome post, that explains it so clearly... I kind of knew what i was trying to say, but you've hit it on the head with a hammer!
For others reading, you can read about Annanias and Saphira in Acts 5, and their sin is found in Matthew 12:31 (i think).
God Bless, metal!!!!
For others reading, you can read about Annanias and Saphira in Acts 5, and their sin is found in Matthew 12:31 (i think).
God Bless, metal!!!!
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Dad Ernie
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Greetings,
1 Sam 12:14-15 If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God: 15 But if ye will not obey the voice of the LORD, but rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall the hand of the LORD be against you, as it was against your fathers.
Proverbs 20:2 The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: whoso provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul.
Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
In the OT, we often find that we are to "fear the king", and for good reason. He had the power to chop your head off for almost any reason, and sometimes just because.
Jesus went before Pilate fully understanding that it was God who gave him authority over life and death.
So this last verse is especially poignant in that we need not fear anything of this creation, but DO fear Him who can cast both our body and soul into perdition.
Blessings,
Dad Ernie
1 Sam 12:14-15 If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God: 15 But if ye will not obey the voice of the LORD, but rebel against the commandment of the LORD, then shall the hand of the LORD be against you, as it was against your fathers.
Proverbs 20:2 The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: whoso provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul.
Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
In the OT, we often find that we are to "fear the king", and for good reason. He had the power to chop your head off for almost any reason, and sometimes just because.
Jesus went before Pilate fully understanding that it was God who gave him authority over life and death.
So this last verse is especially poignant in that we need not fear anything of this creation, but DO fear Him who can cast both our body and soul into perdition.
Blessings,
Dad Ernie
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I find that ther are four times as many references to fear of the Lord than love of the Lord in the Bible, yet when I try to discuss it, I am most often met with:
I John 4:18
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
as though this verse alone abolishes fear of the Lord.
The next objection comes in the form of saying that fear doesn't mean fear -- it means reverence or awe. However, neither the Hebrew nor the Greek support this. There are separate words for reverence in both languages. I keep hearing that we are not to "be afraid" of the Lord, but the Scripture tells us:
Philipians 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
I am not trying to say that we are not to love God, but that it is possible and even commanded that we BOTH fear and love God.
I John 4:18
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
as though this verse alone abolishes fear of the Lord.
The next objection comes in the form of saying that fear doesn't mean fear -- it means reverence or awe. However, neither the Hebrew nor the Greek support this. There are separate words for reverence in both languages. I keep hearing that we are not to "be afraid" of the Lord, but the Scripture tells us:
Philipians 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
I am not trying to say that we are not to love God, but that it is possible and even commanded that we BOTH fear and love God.
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pmarquette
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perfect love , casts out fear .....
fear is only for those who do not submit , who resist Him
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
fear is only for those who do not submit , who resist Him
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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Heartman said:
Those are good things -- and sorely lacking in the Church these days, I might add, but if that is the extent of it, why these:
2 Corinthians 5:11
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Phililipians 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
(Please note that the Greek in both is phobios from which we derive phobia -- which is a lot more than respect.
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porcupine said:
What you quoted speak for itself Porcupine. Those who treat God lightly have no idea of the God of the Bible. They degrade Him to little more than a doting fool who can be mocked and manipulated. I know Him, I love Him and I am born of Him but because of all that, I also fear Him.
Heartman
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