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Favorite philosophers?
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I like him... I like to pick holes in him! "Father of Modern Philosophy?!" pfah! "Clear and distinct idea" my dèrriére.
As for Jesus being a philosopher, well, if you can find a philosophical argument in the mish-mash of tales about him, I'd like to know. He could only be a moral philosopher at best, yet he presents no arguments for anything he claims except "God sez so!" That's not philosophy.
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Yes he isnt a Philosopher I agree....because Philosophers depend on their own thought...the thought of man....which is fallible.....but Jesus relied on God's wisdom and knowledge which infallible.
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Or to put it less, uh, religiously, philosophy is about making arguments. Jesus mostly just stated things without a lot of thorough reasoning.
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FishFace has adequately handled this for me, and I have not the interest to explain stoicism to you. If you wish to learn the true roots of Christianity, read a book. Jesus's teaching about turning the other cheek and all that was not his invention by any means.
You'd have done better to say Paul was your favorite metaphysician. It was he who made up all that stuff about sin and blood sacrifices and the death of Jesus. (He did not make up the death of Jesus)
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On Jesus and Stoicism:
Christian ethics, whereas having some similarities with stoicism, is not stoic at all.
Stoic morality requires that man banish his passions from his life. The virtuous life, the life of reason, is incompatible with feelings and the passions.
Christian morality is radically different: the life of reason, the truly good life for man, pressuposes the passions, but directs them to their true and good ends.
The passions are not evil; they are, in fact, good, as they help us in acting as we ought.
They become bad when they go against reason. But when they are in accordance with reason, they are a great help, and a necessary one too, given that we are not floating incorporeal intellects, but rational animals.
When Jesus tells us to love one another, this is not a purely intellectual desire that good things may happen to other men: it includes sensible love; it includes feeling well for the success of others and feeling bad for the bad things that happen to them.
And it is these feelings (empathy, pity, compassion, etc) that drive us to actually doing what is good for others.
This is the reason why, even though Stoicism also urged charitable practices, Stoic charity was pitiable when compared to Christian charity in the Classical World.
Christian ethics, whereas having some similarities with stoicism, is not stoic at all.
Stoic morality requires that man banish his passions from his life. The virtuous life, the life of reason, is incompatible with feelings and the passions.
Christian morality is radically different: the life of reason, the truly good life for man, pressuposes the passions, but directs them to their true and good ends.
The passions are not evil; they are, in fact, good, as they help us in acting as we ought.
They become bad when they go against reason. But when they are in accordance with reason, they are a great help, and a necessary one too, given that we are not floating incorporeal intellects, but rational animals.
When Jesus tells us to love one another, this is not a purely intellectual desire that good things may happen to other men: it includes sensible love; it includes feeling well for the success of others and feeling bad for the bad things that happen to them.
And it is these feelings (empathy, pity, compassion, etc) that drive us to actually doing what is good for others.
This is the reason why, even though Stoicism also urged charitable practices, Stoic charity was pitiable when compared to Christian charity in the Classical World.
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Plato outlined all the questions for philosophy to answer, but given that I oppose pretty much every position that he took it is difficult for me to place him in my list.
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Plato outlined all the questions for philosophy to answer, but given that I oppose pretty much every position that he took it is difficult for me to place him in my list.
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Did you not take good enough notes from the liberal professor?
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This is not true. Only certain select feelings (or passions) were to be "banished" from life according to Stoicism. It wasn't the Stoic ideal to be like a Vulcan from Star Trek.
The passions that were to be banished are the ones that cause one to act impusively. Lust, fear, distress, and delight were to be avoided. Or more precisely transmuted through wise understanding into the calm feelings of joy, hope (or wishfulness), and caution.
Have you ever heard that a Christian should not indulge in certain "negative" emotions, such as anger, hatred, greed, lust, etc? This sounds very much like Stoicism.
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So far David Gould is winning the cool list award -- with 2/4.
All you other guys, OTOH...
LOL! Okay, if it makes you feel better, I like Nietzsche too, and simply forgot to add him to my list.
eudaimonia,
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Solomon is easily the finest philosopher that ever lived as far as clarity is concerned, such wisdom expressed so evidently including knowledge of the spirit which subject almost all phi;losophers shy away from ... still Solomon had a big advantage in being taught by God ... you cannot expect any sinner philosopher to be able to compete...
Nevertheless I love the complete debunking by Spioza of the inconsistent modern favourite Western belief in fre-will simply because he is perhaps the one who first saw straight through that pagan construction ... but even he could not have forecast that most people would ignore him and carry on with self-contradicting faith that magically causality fails in human beings whereas we have faith in it for almost all other things except ourselves ... who can fight such stubborn failure by so very many ,and their religions ,to accept that what is inconsistent simply cannot be true ?
Nevertheless I love the complete debunking by Spioza of the inconsistent modern favourite Western belief in fre-will simply because he is perhaps the one who first saw straight through that pagan construction ... but even he could not have forecast that most people would ignore him and carry on with self-contradicting faith that magically causality fails in human beings whereas we have faith in it for almost all other things except ourselves ... who can fight such stubborn failure by so very many ,and their religions ,to accept that what is inconsistent simply cannot be true ?
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