Father.

[epiclesis]

Here's a dialogue my friend did on it.

http://www.geocities.com/johjnpaupln/father.html

His whole apologetics articles are at http://www.geocities.com/johjnpaupln

 

[ufonium2]

i was reffering to the 'tone' of certain posts if you will, and a couple blatant hostile comments chastising him for for claiming to be a 'bible believeing Christian'

What about the tone of the OP? He threw a Bible verse at them and said "How do you justify your way around this?" He didn't say "It appears that one of your practices is un-Biblical." or "When did the practice arise of calling a man "Father" and what's the Biblical support for it?" If any post in this thread could be taken as rude, I would say it's the one that implies that the Catholic Church is disregarding the Bible and "justifying their way around it." Several posters refuted his argument by putting the verse back into context (context is good) and proving that nobody has ever taken that paragraph to mean the words "teacher" and "leader" should be removed from our vocabulary. So, why "father"?

Personally, I don't like the term "Bible believing Christian" because it implies that other Christians don't believe in the Bible. This, coupled with the implication of the OP that Catholics are justifying their way around the Bible seems a little judgemental.

Think about it for a minute. The Church existed for hundreds of years before the Bible. They are the ones that compiled the Bible. If there were things in the Bible that contradicted what the Church was teaching, they could have just left those books out (like the Reformers) or changed them (like Martin Luther.)

 

[marciadietrich]

What about the tone of the OP? He threw a Bible verse at them and said "How do you justify your way around this?" He didn't say "It appears that one of your practices is un-Biblical." or "When did the practice arise of calling a man "Father" and what's the Biblical support for it?" If any post in this thread could be taken as rude, I would say it's the one that implies that the Catholic Church is disregarding the Bible and "justifying their way around it."
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Think about it for a minute. The Church existed for hundreds of years before the Bible. They are the ones that compiled the Bible. If there were things in the Bible that contradicted what the Church was teaching, they could have just left those books out (like the Reformers) or changed them (like Martin Luther.)

 

[Benedicta00]

i was reffering to the 'tone' of certain posts if you will, and a couple blatant hostile comments chastising him for for claiming to be a 'bible believeing Christian'

Oh please... go and re read the OP before you throw stones. “How do we justify our way around" as if we are so unbiblical and underhanded and purposely find ways around the bible.

You know he could have just asked, why do we call priests ‘father’ wen Jesus said not to call any man our father? His question was a not so subtle insinuation that we are wrong, that he was just trying to ‘preach’ to us how wrong we are and not really interested in our answer, because he IMO was not really asking a question, but making a statement under the guise of a question. IOW, he, IMO was just trying to get around the forum rules. If I am wrong I apologize to him in advance but this is how the OP seemed to me and why he never came back to the thread. I believe we call that “trolling.”

 

[Wolseley]

It was a drive-by posting.

Throw out an accusation, then sit back and watch the fun.

I just want to know one thing: if we're supposed to take Matthew 23:9 literally, are we supposed to take Ezekiel 23:20 literally, too?

That would smart!

 

[Credo]

Just in case Rebirth is still lurking around.....

Check out: Call No Man "Father"?

This should justify everything clear enough.

JMJ

 

[Victrixa]

I pray that Rebirth in Flames discovers the beauty of the holy, apostolic and original Church, the Holy Catholic Church.

Kyrie Eleison!

He has expressed sincere interest towards Catholicism. What is so special is his screen name "Rebirth in Flames", which is such a Catholic name. It reminds me so much of the rebirth from the 'flames' of purgatory - or the purgatorial state - which we shall all know, unless we are beatified or canonized saints of course! I almost wish I had his screen name. Rebirth in Flames, you have a great screen name! And keep searching, you should be very and pleasantly surprised.

 

[Miss Shelby]

i was reffering to the 'tone' of certain posts if you will, and a couple blatant hostile comments chastising him for for claiming to be a 'bible believeing Christian'

You don't think there was a tone to his OP?

 

[ZooMom]

It was a drive-by posting.

Throw out an accusation, then sit back and watch the fun.

I just want to know one thing: if we're supposed to take Matthew 23:9 literally, are we supposed to take Ezekiel 23:20 literally, too?

That would smart!

Yeah. Maybe worse than a wax job.

Where you been, anyway?

 

[aReformedPatriot]

You don't think there was a tone to his OP?

Yea I can see it. The question is, does that justify returned hostility by numerous people that in essence put him in his place, or exceeding patients and loving correction, that as one verse in scripture puts it: "That God may lead him to a knowledge of truth"

I gotta go to work.

Have a blessed day

 

[Miss Shelby]

Yea I can see it. The question is, does that justify returned hostility by numerous people that in essence put him in his place, or exceeding patients and loving correction, that as one verse in scripture puts it: "That God may lead him to a knowledge of truth"

I gotta go to work.

Have a blessed day

I think you're overlooking the people who were patient with him and you're focusing on what you think is hostility. Maybe we do get a little irriated with baited questions, but we see it alot. It's par for the course for some people to come in here with their mind already made up, ask a question which really isn't meant to be a question at all just to get our dander up.

But you're right. God probably allows that to teach us patience. I think I'm getting better at handling it, actually.

Michelle

 

[Victrixa]

It's true that there was a tone to the OP as there can be tones in some of his other posts. But I know that Rebirth in Flames has been expressing interest in Catholicism. I just pray that he discovers the Treasure of the Church.

 

[Miss Shelby]

It's true that there was a tone to the OP as there can be tones in some of his other posts. But I know that Rebirth in Flames has been expressing interest in Catholicism. I just pray that he discovers the Treasure of the Church.

It probably is better to err on the side of grace.

 

[PolskiKrol]

A priest who used to be at my parish wished to be called "Brother" instead of "Father" even though he was ordained a priest. But he also said its fine if you call other priests "father"

 

[Wolseley]

Yeah. Maybe worse than a wax job.

Where you been, anyway?

Oy---don't ask!

I've been moving. Next time I'm gonna do it with five gallons of gasoline and a match.

Plus I've been working a lot of extra hours at work, and it's been a hairy season, believe me. Robberies, B&E's, assaults, threats, drug cgarges, weapons charges......

At least it's never dull. :shrug:

Anyway, what with one thing and another, I haven't been on line as much lately. I only have computer access at work, because my home machine picked up a nasty hijack virus and is totally FUBAR; I can't even use it.

Hopefully I can get it fixed and set up soon. In the meantime, well, absence makes the heart grow fonder, nicht wahr?

 

[Miss Shelby]

I've been moving. Next time I'm gonna do it with five gallons of gasoline and a match.

LOL!

 

[ZooMom]

Oy---don't ask!

I've been moving. Next time I'm gonna do it with five gallons of gasoline and a match.

Plus I've been working a lot of extra hours at work, and it's been a hairy season, believe me. Robberies, B&E's, assaults, threats, drug cgarges, weapons charges......

At least it's never dull. :shrug:

I can totally relate. I hate moving, and my husband's job is almost identical to yours. Your family is always in my prayers. You stay safe. I mean it.

Anyway, what with one thing and another, I haven't been on line as much lately. I only have computer access at work, because my home machine picked up a nasty hijack virus and is totally FUBAR; I can't even use it.

LOL! What movie is that from? I can almost remember...ack, that drives me crazy! Sorry about the virus though! That bites.

Hopefully I can get it fixed and set up soon. In the meantime, well, absence makes the heart grow fonder, nicht wahr?

And on the flip side, if familiarity breeds contempt, maybe I should be taking a loooooong break. But we do miss you. Be well, and God bless you.


Peace!

Sandy

 

[Wolseley]

I can totally relate. I hate moving, and my husband's job is almost identical to yours. Your family is always in my prayers. You stay safe. I mean it.

Trust me, I intend to.

LOL! What movie is that from? I can almost remember...ack, that drives me crazy!

Saving Private Ryan, although the acronym predates the movie by decades. "Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition". (Similar to SNAFU, or "Situation Normal, All Fouled Up".)

The one we used a lot in the Air Force was JAAFU, or "Joint Army-Air Force Foulup".

Sorry about the virus though! That bites.

Tell me about it.

And on the flip side, if familiarity breeds contempt, maybe I should be taking a loooooong break. But we do miss you. Be well, and God bless you.

You already took a long break---you were gone for what, two years? Don't you dare disappear on us again, yahimmy?

Peace!

Sandy

And also with you.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Oy---don't ask!

I've been moving. Next time I'm gonna do it with five gallons of gasoline and a match.

Plus I've been working a lot of extra hours at work, and it's been a hairy season, believe me. Robberies, B&E's, assaults, threats, drug cgarges, weapons charges......

At least it's never dull. :shrug:

Anyway, what with one thing and another, I haven't been on line as much lately. I only have computer access at work, because my home machine picked up a nasty hijack virus and is totally FUBAR; I can't even use it.

Hopefully I can get it fixed and set up soon. In the meantime, well, absence makes the heart grow fonder, nicht wahr?

He seeks to add Arson to his own list I take it your a cop?

 

[Wolseley]

He seeks to add Arson to his own list I take it your a cop?

Yup. Actually a private cop, for a large state-wide college system.