Father Faces Charges for Trying to Save Baby

[Zackmeister]

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Sickening. I don't know how that judge can live with himself for ordering that baby be given back to the mother. With some common sense, she would be alive today.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=179592

Sickening. I don't know how that judge can live with himself for ordering that baby be given back to the mother. With some common sense, she would be alive today.

The child died because of the fathers vigilantism; had he gone to the cops and told them about the meth lab, they would have busted down the door the same day. Then the mother would have lost custody. INSTEAD this yahoo decides to take the law into his own hands and kidnapped a child that he did not have legal custody of. The judge was following the law, his hand was forced by the reckless and irresponsible actions of the child's father.

It's not pretty and it's not heroic but the truth is, if your daughter is in danger from her meth addicted mother, you have to go to the cops.

 

[imind]

had he gone to the cops and told them about the meth lab, they would have busted down the door the same day.

um, no, its not that easy. you can't just walk up to a cop, tell him there's a meth lab at such and such a place, and expect him to break the door down. it just doesn't work that way.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

um, no, its not that easy. you can't just walk up to a cop, tell him there's a meth lab at such and such a place, and expect him to break the door down. it just doesn't work that way.

Actually it really does. I was thinking more of a police station, but I guess a beat cop would work just as well. The cops can't just search your place for no reason but if you can describe what is going on in the house, they'll go out and take a look see. Cops would rather infringe on your rights a little and get the case thrown out later than let a kid die.

 

[TexasSky]

It doesn't work that way where I live.

If it did the police would be victimized by every sick-person with a grudge against someone else who wanted to make false accusations.

Even with meth labs it requires evidence and court orders.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

The child died because of the fathers vigilantism; had he gone to the cops and told them about the meth lab, they would have busted down the door the same day. Then the mother would have lost custody. INSTEAD this yahoo decides to take the law into his own hands and kidnapped a child that he did not have legal custody of. The judge was following the law, his hand was forced by the reckless and irresponsible actions of the child's father.

It's not pretty and it's not heroic but the truth is, if your daughter is in danger from her meth addicted mother, you have to go to the cops.

Wrong. Peoeple don't always act rationally when their family is in danger. This guy isn't a "yahoo", he's just a normal guy.
The child died because the judge who ordered the child back into his mother's custody was an idiot.

Gregory Hawkins, Hawkins & Sorensen: "Our client got out of the car, went to protect his mother, and took the baby because it's his child."
That's why Morrow is being charged with burglary and assault. The same day Morrow did take the baby, but a judge ordered him to return her, and he did. Ten days later, Estella ingested a bag of meth and died.
Here's what Morrow's lawyers can't believe. They have a signed document from Mary Lacey, that Morrow did not enter the home to do harm and Morrow did not assault Chesley... Gregory Hawkins, Father: "Not only did she sign it, but the court, Judge Barrett actually found those facts to be true and put it in an order."

They should be able to sue the judge for professional negligence.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

Wrong. Peoeple don't always act rationally when their family is in danger. This guy isn't a "yahoo", he's just a normal guy.
The child died because the judge who ordered the child back into his mother's custody was an idiot.




They should be able to sue the judge for professional negligence.

So because his child is in danger he can kidnap her? He didn't have custody! Should every father who doesn't have custody of his child be able to just take the child whenever he wants to?

We have laws for a reason, the child's death is the father's fault. If he had followed NORMAL channels the child might be alive today. Because he decided to ignore the law and break into the home, there is NO WAY the judge would order police to investigate the house. Why should the judge use the police to help a father with no rights to the child harass the mother? The meth-lab story sounds like an attempt to smear and harass an ex-lover. This entire situation is different if he does NOT break the law and kidnap his child, then his story is believable.

Go to the cops, if they will not help, go ahead and break in, burn the place to the ground for all I care, but go to the cops first.

 

[JPPT1974]

Ain't that judge got no heart at all?
That dad was trying to save his baby's life
For the love of his baby!

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

So because his child is in danger he can kidnap her?

If you are being chased by an armed man – can you break the speed limit ?
His child was in danger. He absolutely can break the law to retrieve her from that danger.

He didn't have custody! Should every father who doesn't have custody of his child be able to just take the child whenever he wants to?

If those children were living in a house being used by drug gangs as a meth lab – absolutely.

We have laws for a reason, the child's death is the father's fault.

No. The death is the fault of the following people :-
i) The judge for ruling that the child should go back
ii) The mother for keeping her child there
iii) The person who gave the child the overdose of an illegal drug.

 

[skipper]

Not every Judge does the right thing even if they have the evidence. We had a foster child that was sent home, she got into trouble and I had to pick her up at the police station the mother told the judge that she could not handle the girl, and wanted her back in foster care in my home. The judge told her she needed to figure it out and take her home. Two weeks later the girl was dead from a drinking related incident. The mother ask for help gave them evidence and the judge refused to believe her. This kid was a danger to herself and that judge wouldn't listen. So sometimes a parent tries to do the right thing and gets shot down. I know this for a fact

 

[I <3 Abraham]

He wasn't breaking in to "save his child." His lawyers even say "he took the baby because it's his child." That's not the same as "he saw his baby was in immediate danger so he took her."

If you ask me, they're all idiots and they're all responsible for the death of this child. They all belong behind bars. The mother and boyfriend for putting their child in a situation where this 8 month old could eat drugs, the father for barging in on his ex and explaining his attempted abduction of their child with "I was trying to save her" instead of the more honest "I think my ex is a **&&%^ so I took my baby."

If he had known they were taking drugs or making drugs, he should have and would have said so at the custody hearing, at which point the judge, instead of returning the child to either parent, would have been remanded to state custody until the charges could be investigated. Since that didn't happen, I suspect the story the judge heard was that the father brought his mother along on a non-custody day to barge in on his ex-wife, which was the reason for her boyfriend "attacking" his mother, and he retaliated by abducting the child. At which point, based on that information, the judge did what would have appeared correct based on the information he had: returning the child to the custodial parent and for the safety of the child, removing her from the parent who broke the law by abducting her.

Thank you! The adults are responsible!

 

[ACougar]

Should every father who doesn't have custody of his child be able to just take the child whenever he wants to?

If the child is living in a Meth lab, sure.

We have laws for a reason, the child's death is the father's fault.

Actaully is the fault of the Judge, the mother and the mothers boyfriend along with anyone else who knew the baby was growing up in a meth lab and didn't do anything about it.

If he had followed NORMAL channels the child might be alive today. Because he decided to ignore the law and break into the home, there is NO WAY the judge would order police to investigate the house. Why should the judge use the police to help a father with no rights to the child harass the mother?

This may surprise you, however normal channels don't always work, especially if your a minority, poor and/or uneducated.

The meth-lab story sounds like an attempt to smear and harass an ex-lover. This entire situation is different if he does NOT break the law and kidnap his child, then his story is believable.

You might run to the police, I would run to a lawyer, however this man only knew to run to his child and to remove her from danger. The Judge didn't take the time to understand the situation and simply followed the letter of the (negligent homicide IMO) and returned the child to the meth lab from which it had been rescued.

Go to the cops, if they will not help, go ahead and break in, burn the place to the ground for all I care, but go to the cops first.

I have the attitude and mindset that the cops are there for me and therefor I have no problem going to them with a problem. I have the power to retain a god lawyer, I am not helpless before the law. This is not the condition of most people who are working class and below. From that perspective what the Father did was perfectly reasonable.

 

[intricatic]

Actually it really does. I was thinking more of a police station, but I guess a beat cop would work just as well. The cops can't just search your place for no reason but if you can describe what is going on in the house, they'll go out and take a look see. Cops would rather infringe on your rights a little and get the case thrown out later than let a kid die.

Um, no. That's quite far from the truth.