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Oh, I just noted that I'm the one who asked for this to be moved to the debate area, while you wanted to keep it here. I said, if this debate ends me in trouble, it's your fault, as I wanted to move it all the time. But no sweat, I have asked the mods to move it.
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"but on your head be it" is a common English phrase, meaning "ok, but it's your fault if anything happens because of it". It doesn't have anything to do with beheading.
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Would somebody please explain to me what's happening? Who threatened who or what or oh what's going on?
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After having read this, I have to say that I'm a bit baffeled. My family and I use that phrase all the time. As a matter of fact, my mom just said this to me yesterday. I'm sorry if anyone here felt threatened by it, especially you Philothei!
I kinda have to give Futuwwa the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't have been that stupid! I think it would serve us all well to just beak from this thread until a new starts or somethings as I want no ones feelings to be hurt.
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Read nestoj post and you will see it is not only me... he has been dissrespectfull many many times before. I do not use this kind of language with my family... not to say anything for yours no offense but I trully have never heard of this before... and... I am not his family... it sounded like a threat to me and to many others.
After having read this, I have to say that I'm a bit baffeled. My family and I use that phrase all the time. As a matter of fact, my mom just said this to me yesterday. I'm sorry if anyone here felt threatened by it, especially you Philothei!
Sorry but that is all I can take from this place.
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I have to go with DNL here.
We are being totally irrational here. I think WE have lost our heads here! I have never understood this phrase to be about beheadings. Maybe it is... but it just a very very very typical English saying that is not offensive to most.
I know for a fact that no one here would have taken it this way if I had said this. And if they were I would be convinced that they were just out to get me.
Futuwwa... I don't mind you here at all. YOu've crossed the line sometimes, but no more than any other frequenting guest as far as I can see. Perhaps there was something you did here in the past that was super offensive that I missed and that might be why people are jumping all over you every time you breath wrong. Actually, it's probably jsut because you're Muslim. Honeslty, Muslim's have done a LOT of hateful things to Orthodox over the centuries and while it may be easy for me to forgive and forget, quite frankly I don't ahve much... or anything to forget. But history tells it pretty flat out. Muslims have a really shady past and they have THAT to thank for how far they've spread.
Again, I don't mind you here, and I fully admit that at least in the context of the past few days, people have been after you like puritans in the salem witch hunt. But you need to be SUPER sensitive becuase people's direct relatives have been killed or persecuted because of your relgion. So you just can't expect certain people to turn those experiences off and treat you like their next-door neighbor. It's just the cold reality that you have to be ten times more careful here than a buddhist or an atheist.
If that is too much to ask, fair enough. But I would then suggest not coming back here to save you and us frustration. You know who the people are who don't mind you here. Feel free to PM us if you ever have questions. Or, stay in here and walk on egg shells.
Sorry, fair or not, I am really sorry to say that it is very apparent that you are simply not a welcome guest here.
Just being honest and pointing out the obvious.
God bless you,
John
We are being totally irrational here. I think WE have lost our heads here! I have never understood this phrase to be about beheadings. Maybe it is... but it just a very very very typical English saying that is not offensive to most.
I know for a fact that no one here would have taken it this way if I had said this. And if they were I would be convinced that they were just out to get me.
Futuwwa... I don't mind you here at all. YOu've crossed the line sometimes, but no more than any other frequenting guest as far as I can see. Perhaps there was something you did here in the past that was super offensive that I missed and that might be why people are jumping all over you every time you breath wrong. Actually, it's probably jsut because you're Muslim. Honeslty, Muslim's have done a LOT of hateful things to Orthodox over the centuries and while it may be easy for me to forgive and forget, quite frankly I don't ahve much... or anything to forget. But history tells it pretty flat out. Muslims have a really shady past and they have THAT to thank for how far they've spread.
Again, I don't mind you here, and I fully admit that at least in the context of the past few days, people have been after you like puritans in the salem witch hunt. But you need to be SUPER sensitive becuase people's direct relatives have been killed or persecuted because of your relgion. So you just can't expect certain people to turn those experiences off and treat you like their next-door neighbor. It's just the cold reality that you have to be ten times more careful here than a buddhist or an atheist.
If that is too much to ask, fair enough. But I would then suggest not coming back here to save you and us frustration. You know who the people are who don't mind you here. Feel free to PM us if you ever have questions. Or, stay in here and walk on egg shells.
Sorry, fair or not, I am really sorry to say that it is very apparent that you are simply not a welcome guest here.
Just being honest and pointing out the obvious.
God bless you,
John
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Actually, I'm American who became Orthodox while living in Japan.
As for what has been going on since my last time online, I have some friends who are Muslim, a Yemeni and a Pakistani. We've always been able to keep the peace through humility. One asks questions and the other answers and no one challenges the other on their belief. If one wants to know more, all that is done is more questions.
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LOL, I am a Turk who became Orthodox while living in Korea... What is with these far eastern countries huh?
Philothei, let's cool it a little bit, now I can see how angry I was last week and how it looks like. You love me, because I am an Orthodox Christian, or because I am a Turk? Turkish Orthodox Christian, that rather sounds glorious...
The holy New Martyr Ahmed was born in the seventeenth century to a Muslim family in Constantinople. By profession he was a copyist in the Great Archives. In accordance with Ottoman law, since he did not have a wife, he had a slave instead, a Russian woman. Another captive from Russia lived together with her, an old woman, also a slave. Both these women were very pious.
On feast days the old woman would go to church. Taking the blessed bread or antidoron, she would give it to the young woman to eat. The old woman would also bring her holy water to drink. Whenever this occurred and Ahmed was close to her, he would smell a beautiful and indescribable fragrance coming out of her mouth. He would ask her what she was eating to make her mouth smell so fragrant. Not realizing what was happening, the slave would say that she was not eating anything. However, he persisted in asking. Eventually she told him that she was eating the bread which had been blessed by the priests, which the old woman brought her whenever she returned from church.
On hearing this, Ahmed was filled with longing to see the Orthodox church and how Orthodox received this blessed bread. Therefore he summoned a priest and told him to prepare a secret place for him, so that he could go when the Patriarch was serving the Liturgy. When the appointed day arrived, dressed as an Orthodox, he went to the Patriarchate and followed the Divine Liturgy. While he was in church, he saw the Patriarch shining with light and lifted off the floor, as he came out of the altar and through the holy doors to bless the people. As he blessed, rays of light came from his finger tips, but though the rays fell on the heads of all the Orthodox, they did not fall on Ahmed's head. This happened two or three times and each time Ahmed saw the same thing. Thus, Ahmed came to the faith. Without hesitation he sent for the priest, who gave him rebirth through baptism. Ahmed remained a secret Orthodox for some time, concealing his baptismal name, which is why it has not come down to us.
However, one day Ahmed and certain noblemen were eating together. Afterwards they sat talking and smoking, as is the Muslim custom. In the course of the conversation they began to discuss what the greatest thing in the world. Each gave his opinion. The first guest said that the greatest thing in the world was for a man to have wisdom. The second maintained that woman was the greatest thing in the world. And yet a third said that the greatest thing in the world, and by far the most delightful, was good food - for was this not the food of the righteous in paradise?
Then it was Ahmed's turn. They all turned to him, asking him for his opinion on this matter. Filled with holy zeal, Ahmed cried out that the greatest thing of all was the Faith of the Orthodox. And confessing himself to be a Christian, he boldly censured the falseness and deception of the Muslims. At first, on hearing this the Muslims were aghast. Then, filled with unspeakable rage, they fell on the holy martyr and dragged him to a judge, so that he could be sentenced to death. He was beheaded, receiving the crown of martyrdom on the orders of the ruler on 3 May 1682.
Ahmed lived a secret Christian life (this being justified by II Kings 5:17-19 and John 3). We do not know what happened in this period after his baptism, but it is not unlikely that Ahmed's love for the concubine who had led him indirectly to the Orthodox Faith blossomed. It is also likely that the future martyr met with a spiritual father to learn more about the Faith he had adopted and the Lord he now served.
Whatever happened during this period, one day a group of arguing officials asked Ahmed for his opinion of their dispute, to which he replied that "The Christian Faith is better" (no doubt their argument concerned the superiority of Islam versus Holy Orthodoxy).
"Are you a Christian?" an officer smilingly asked the saint.
"Yes, I am a Christian," the saint replied slowly, peacefully, and clearly, smiling at the officer who had questioned him. Ahmed endured all the tortures he was then subjected to by his erstwhile compatriots and was martyred
Holy Martyr Ahmed, pray to God for us!
Philothei, let's cool it a little bit, now I can see how angry I was last week and how it looks like. You love me, because I am an Orthodox Christian, or because I am a Turk? Turkish Orthodox Christian, that rather sounds glorious...
The holy New Martyr Ahmed was born in the seventeenth century to a Muslim family in Constantinople. By profession he was a copyist in the Great Archives. In accordance with Ottoman law, since he did not have a wife, he had a slave instead, a Russian woman. Another captive from Russia lived together with her, an old woman, also a slave. Both these women were very pious.
On feast days the old woman would go to church. Taking the blessed bread or antidoron, she would give it to the young woman to eat. The old woman would also bring her holy water to drink. Whenever this occurred and Ahmed was close to her, he would smell a beautiful and indescribable fragrance coming out of her mouth. He would ask her what she was eating to make her mouth smell so fragrant. Not realizing what was happening, the slave would say that she was not eating anything. However, he persisted in asking. Eventually she told him that she was eating the bread which had been blessed by the priests, which the old woman brought her whenever she returned from church.
On hearing this, Ahmed was filled with longing to see the Orthodox church and how Orthodox received this blessed bread. Therefore he summoned a priest and told him to prepare a secret place for him, so that he could go when the Patriarch was serving the Liturgy. When the appointed day arrived, dressed as an Orthodox, he went to the Patriarchate and followed the Divine Liturgy. While he was in church, he saw the Patriarch shining with light and lifted off the floor, as he came out of the altar and through the holy doors to bless the people. As he blessed, rays of light came from his finger tips, but though the rays fell on the heads of all the Orthodox, they did not fall on Ahmed's head. This happened two or three times and each time Ahmed saw the same thing. Thus, Ahmed came to the faith. Without hesitation he sent for the priest, who gave him rebirth through baptism. Ahmed remained a secret Orthodox for some time, concealing his baptismal name, which is why it has not come down to us.
However, one day Ahmed and certain noblemen were eating together. Afterwards they sat talking and smoking, as is the Muslim custom. In the course of the conversation they began to discuss what the greatest thing in the world. Each gave his opinion. The first guest said that the greatest thing in the world was for a man to have wisdom. The second maintained that woman was the greatest thing in the world. And yet a third said that the greatest thing in the world, and by far the most delightful, was good food - for was this not the food of the righteous in paradise?
Then it was Ahmed's turn. They all turned to him, asking him for his opinion on this matter. Filled with holy zeal, Ahmed cried out that the greatest thing of all was the Faith of the Orthodox. And confessing himself to be a Christian, he boldly censured the falseness and deception of the Muslims. At first, on hearing this the Muslims were aghast. Then, filled with unspeakable rage, they fell on the holy martyr and dragged him to a judge, so that he could be sentenced to death. He was beheaded, receiving the crown of martyrdom on the orders of the ruler on 3 May 1682.
Ahmed lived a secret Christian life (this being justified by II Kings 5:17-19 and John 3). We do not know what happened in this period after his baptism, but it is not unlikely that Ahmed's love for the concubine who had led him indirectly to the Orthodox Faith blossomed. It is also likely that the future martyr met with a spiritual father to learn more about the Faith he had adopted and the Lord he now served.
Whatever happened during this period, one day a group of arguing officials asked Ahmed for his opinion of their dispute, to which he replied that "The Christian Faith is better" (no doubt their argument concerned the superiority of Islam versus Holy Orthodoxy).
"Are you a Christian?" an officer smilingly asked the saint.
"Yes, I am a Christian," the saint replied slowly, peacefully, and clearly, smiling at the officer who had questioned him. Ahmed endured all the tortures he was then subjected to by his erstwhile compatriots and was martyred
Holy Martyr Ahmed, pray to God for us!
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