Fantasy/RPG Magic?

[ExaltedReign]

Whats your stance on this?

Most cases its just a force in the universe that you can manipulate, others you summon creatures/spirits with power. The first seems like a nice kind of magic and the other more occult.

For example, fireballs, lightning, healing, is all fantasy magic. I like playing games like this because that kind of magic is interesting, while I try to steer away from necromancy, shamanism, etc.

One of my favorite games is oblivion, because the spells are very fun to use, you can make your own, and the Mages guild doesn't allow necromancy.

I almost always play the the magic user in games like these, because their strong and in some cases overpowered.

What do you think?

 

[Blackguard_]

I don't like magic in RPGs much.

If I want to trade fireballs and various death beams with every enemy above rats and low level bandits I'll play a futuristic RPG.

 

[NiobiumTragedy]

I'm always the mage.

Fantasy is my favourite type of game. I'm a little obsessed with Medieval history and such so the games are a bit natural for me. I also very much enjoy fantasy books.

As far as the religious aspect, I find nothing wrong with it. It's fantasy magic that is made up for entertainment purposes; aka unreal.

I could go on for hours typing up a whole book on the matter, but honestly, it's not worth the time and effort because some people are so set in their ways and on the internet, people are stubborn and no one wants to be told they are wrong.

 

[CyberPaladin]

I'm going to keep this short and sweet it isn't real and it's not harmful unless the games are played in excess like any hobby. That being said you have your listed age is 14 so if your parents don't want you to play them then don't and also don't waste either your parents or your own by agruing with them about this your not going to change there mind.

 

[ExaltedReign]

It's a hobby, I don't play every day, only about 2 or 3 hours a sitting. I love fantasy and rpg game, their my favorite types.

@Niobium- Have you read the Wheel of Time series? Its great, has some good christian parallels, magic, and a good story. I just just finished the first one out of ten I think.

Also, I was looking at older threads and found one that most people thought it was ok and even added to the story as long as its not occult. It seems that if it was called something else, like technology, that it wouldn't even be bad. I think anything in games thats labeled "magical" is going to get criticism.

I have a story I'm making about a kind of "magic"

"The magic comes from a kind of energy left over when God created the universe. And is every place in existence, except the void of space. The antagonists are originally just like the protagonists, but make contracts with demons/satan for an immense power increase, for the price of their soul.

The cost of manipulating this force is that it can exhaust you if used excessively over a short period of time. And when used past this point, it can cause extreme dehydration and even death.

The force can be manipulated by using elements, healing, and manipulating time and space. The first two are self explanatory. They can manipulate space by "folding" it so they can travel almost instantaneously between locations, with varying degrees of physical stress depending on the distance traveled. Time by slowing and speeding time in a controlled area, varying physical stress results from differing sizes and times of the controlled area. Every User has a a certain element (Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Space, Time, Healing) that naturally excel in.

The only people who know of this power are world leaders,the ones that can utilize it, and their immediate family. The users look like normal people, have jobs, go grocery shopping, go to church, and generally live mostly normal lives. The use their abilities for every day tasks to hunting mythical creatures."

What do you think? Is it not christian friendly?

Also, sorry about the long post, but I can't remeber the verse where it forbids magic, I know it does, but I can't remember it does anyone. I think it forbids sorcery (magic from supernatural), witchcraft (pagan I think) and Necromancy (undead - demon magic) Does it forbid anyting like fantasy magic? I know fantasy magic isn't real, just wondering.

 

[Meep]

I love to play mages of all types just because swinging a sword & board gets old. The mechanics are pretty much the same & I think it ultimately boils down to visual preference.

I've played so many games over the years & have no problem playing evil or good characters because almost all the overall plots are the same anyway. If playing evil characters gives you a bad vibe, then don't play 'em. Evil leans towards choosing personal power/pleasure at the sacrifice of what's right (or other people) in the long run. The same choices are made everyday IRL. "Should I feed & walk the dog/homework/etc. now or do I want to hop on the 'puter & play first?"

 

[NiobiumTragedy]

I tried reading Wheel of Time, but found it a little hard to get into. Much prefer the Midkemia books by Raymond E Feist.

 

[ExaltedReign]

I haven't heard of those books, what are they about?

 

[JC_Crust]

its just a game. you seem smart enough to not try to dabble in creepy stuff in real life so as long as you're mature enough to keep it separate it's harmless. hooray for rpg!

 

[ExaltedReign]

Yeah, I'm not that stupid. I know not to dabble in the dark arts. (HP reference)
But, its all in good fun.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Pretty much take your pick video games, anime, books like Harry Potter or anything else fantasy related your going to have pretty much schools of thought one that it's a harmless work of fiction and the other is that it's the tool of satan.

 

[marklbernard]

Whats your stance on this?

Most cases its just a force in the universe that you can manipulate, others you summon creatures/spirits with power. The first seems like a nice kind of magic and the other more occult.

For example, fireballs, lightning, healing, is all fantasy magic. I like playing games like this because that kind of magic is interesting, while I try to steer away from necromancy, shamanism, etc.

One of my favorite games is oblivion, because the spells are very fun to use, you can make your own, and the Mages guild doesn't allow necromancy.

I almost always play the the magic user in games like these, because their strong and in some cases overpowered.

What do you think?

As someone who was formerly in the occult I can tell you that the concepts and images contained in these games are steeped, whether overtly, or covertly, in occultic principles and concepts as well as occultic rituals. This may be minor, or it may be major, the end result is the same. Its a bit like tying to take fire in your hands and think that you will not be burnt. (And I am a former Oblivion, Diablo, warfcraft, Disciples, etc etc gamer)

 

[CyberPaladin]

As someone who was formerly in the occult I can tell you that the concepts and images contained in these games are steeped, whether overtly, or covertly, in occultic principles and concepts as well as occultic rituals. This may be minor, or it may be major, the end result is the same. Its a bit like tying to take fire in your hands and think that you will not be burnt. (And I am a former Oblivion, Diablo, warfcraft, Disciples, etc etc gamer)

Or it may be a case where your cult leader was knowling and balantly ripping stuff off from pop culture so that way it looks more like what you and others expected.

 

[marklbernard]

Or it may be a case where your cult leader was knowling and balantly ripping stuff off from pop culture so that way it looks more like what you and others expected.

You will noticed I said that I was involved in the occult, not a cult, including occult magic that dated back to the book of the dead.

 

[JC_Crust]

i think only a person weak in their faith will take something in a game and try it in real life. it sounds like something a 5 year old would do. maybe i'm missing the point and i'm a moron but i can guarantee that i'd never care about doing "magic" or anything like that in real life because, well, i know the difference between play and reality just like Exalted. as far as your mother being concerned about it, that's what mothers do because she keeps hearing this stuff about psychotic idiots dabbling in stuff and killing their parents, classmates, etc. because they played games like that.

 

[CyberPaladin]

You will noticed I said that I was involved in the occult, not a cult, including occult magic that dated back to the book of the dead.

Yeah right sure your stuff was the real deal just like all the little dorks I have come acrossed on other boards who claim they can shoot fireballs from there hands and the books they keep claiming to have are also from the time of the book of the dead. Look all I know for sure about this is from what a buddy of mine who was really into celtic polytheism religion told me and one of those things was that about 90% of the stuff had seen practiced by pagans other pagans was junk that could be traced back to the 1970's or later.

 

[NiobiumTragedy]

I haven't heard of those books, what are they about?

Typical fantasy only much more epic than most other books I've read. I like them much more than the LOTR series as well.

 

[inconsequential]

If you're interested in a cool twist to the concept of magic, check out Fred Saberhagen's "Books of Swords" series. It is fantasy but the existence of magic and other fantastical elements is due to an ancient technology that altered the fabric of the world. I'd also recommend "The Empire of the East" prequel trilogy which touches much more on the technological aspects of the lore used.

 

[marklbernard]

Yeah right sure your stuff was the real deal just like all the little dorks I have come acrossed on other boards who claim they can shoot fireballs from there hands and the books they keep claiming to have are also from the time of the book of the dead. Look all I know for sure about this is from what a buddy of mine who was really into celtic polytheism religion told me and one of those things was that about 90% of the stuff had seen practiced by pagans other pagans was junk that could be traced back to the 1970's or later.

Then I would question your friends true involvement in the occult. But dont take my word for it, you want to seriously understand it then do some serious study into the matter and you will find that the foundations on the occult have their roots going back milenia. Your obvious sarcasm indicates that you know little about any of this. A wise man seeks to fully understand a matter before making a determination

 

[CyberPaladin]

Then I would question your friends true involvement in the occult. But dont take my word for it, you want to seriously understand it then do some serious study into the matter and you will find that the foundations on the occult have their roots going back milenia. Your obvious sarcasm indicates that you know little about any of this. A wise man seeks to fully understand a matter before making a determination

Actauly he has never given me any reason question his belief or involvment and he never told me none of it had ancient ties like you have attempted imply what he told and I made clear in my last post was that most of the pratices and rituals are quite modern in creation.
However I do have serious doubts about someone who first in this thread starts warning of danger of video games containing occult rituals and how it's playing with fire then suggests someone start studying occult material. Now studying occult material that would be playing with fire it would be more like dosing yourself in gasoline striking a match and hoping you don't go up in flames. And I've said my peace in this thread and I don't see any sort resoultion on our differing opinions so I won't be returning for another pointless go around.