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False gospels do not require you to overcome sin

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I made them known when I asked them, you skipped them because you couldn't answer without incriminating yourself and now you are avoiding them again using nonsense that I should, what? Ask them again? Go look them up for you?
I acknowledge your claim.

My claim is that I answered every question that was put to me. It's not up to me to prove your claim, it's up to you. But instead, you choose to accuse and slander me.
The type sin is not really the issue, and like I said, you simply don't want to understand the difference in living in sin and not living in sin.
Yet another accusation. Are your points so without merit that you must stoop to being accusatory ?

Admit the truth. You know nothing of my motivations. You are simply throwing mud ...

Romans 14:4 Who are you who judge another's servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand.

Romans 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother?

P.S. I don't believe that I spoke to the issue of the practice of sin. If the practice of sin is such that genuine repentance is not offered to God, nor forgiveness received from God, then such a practice would indeed be deadly ...
 
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I acknowledge your claim.

My claim is that I answered every question that was put to me. It's not up to me to prove your claim, it's up to you. But instead, you choose to accuse and slander me.

Yet another accusation. Are your points so without merit that you must stoop to being accusatory ?

Admit the truth. You know nothing of my motivations. You are simply throwing mud ...

I see.
 
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We are all sinners. Some of us, Christians, have admitted this to our creator, who is our savior.
He covers our sins with His blood.

When I read

"1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?"

I am not righteous... but.. as a Christian, I am righteous in God's sight due to the fact that my sins are covered.


I do not hold to the view that you can lose and regain, lose and regain, lose and regain your salvation in a never ending cycle...

Yes... I sin.. and, although I strive to walk in a sinless life.. it is impossible.
No, I don't murder, commit adultery, and I'm not a thief...
However, these sins don't excuse me for being angry when I shouldn't, eating too much, coveting that new car my brother got...

Sin is sin and we always sin.... Nobody lives without it.. Christ's blood is sufficient.

On that glorious day... although my life will be as filthy rags.. I will be white as snow.
 
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False gospels say that Christ's finished work of redemption (Romans 3:24-28) is IN-sufficient to save us through faith and that we must "add our performance" as a "supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us.
 
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False gospels say that Christ's finished work of redemption (Romans 3:24-28) is IN-sufficient to save us through faith and that we must "add our performance" as a "supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us.

Who ever claimed we could earn salvation through performance, can you show us please? And if you want to claim it is implied, show us where.
 
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Who ever claimed we could earn salvation through performance, can you show us please? And if you want to claim it is implied, show us where.
I'm pretty sure that this is why Christ said : "I never knew you, depart from Me". Not because they thought they were saved but because they thought that what they "DID" was good enough.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)


21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


All their claims are what they "DID".
 
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I'm pretty sure that this is why Christ said : "I never knew you, depart from Me". Not because they thought they were saved but because they thought that what they "DID" was good enough.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

All their claims are what they "DID".

It's possible "He never knew them" could be for both the reasons you mentioned, but at any rate, I agree, those that think they were good enough to get to heaven, got it wrong

My point, in spite of the many accusations some of us strive to be "good enough" so we can be saved, we aren't doing that, and we know that can't save us. But to some, the bible is very clear, the lack of obedience/living in sin will cost us our salvation.

We gain salvation through the blood of Christ yet can lose it by acting like the devil.

I'll post this scripture again because it makes the point so clear to those who think that even though we cannot earn salvation, we can lose it, and there is a clear difference between earning salvation and being obedient. One would have to cover their eyes to miss what the scripture below is saying.

On righteousness, you are also correct, though no one is truly righteous, were are expected to be righteous as much as can be expected for a human. Some say we don't need to be righteous at all because of what Christs said ("None are truly good") but that isn't what he meant. All he was saying is you people don't need to ever get the idea you are good in the true sense of the word, but if we were not expected to be righteous as we can be, the following would not read as it does, expecting us to be righteous.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV /
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 John 3:4-9 ESV /
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. ...

One thing that will practically give one chills it the fact both those sets of scriptures warn us not to be deceived, the very reason these threads not only keep popping up, but go on and on trying to get those who are deceived to see the light. It's as if God knew ahead of time exactly what would happen today with the easy salvation and all. God loves us enough to warn us, and he warns us because he means business, and as I see it, those verses shout "This is serious business!" and that he will do everything he says he will if we don't comply. And what's worse, God will feel awful about having to keep his word in that regard.
 
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We are all sinners. Some of us, Christians, have admitted this to our creator, who is our savior.
He covers our sins with His blood.

When I read

"1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?"

I am not righteous... but.. as a Christian, I am righteous in God's sight due to the fact that my sins are covered.


I do not hold to the view that you can lose and regain, lose and regain, lose and regain your salvation in a never ending cycle...

Yes... I sin.. and, although I strive to walk in a sinless life.. it is impossible.
No, I don't murder, commit adultery, and I'm not a thief...
However, these sins don't excuse me for being angry when I shouldn't, eating too much, coveting that new car my brother got...

Sin is sin and we always sin.... Nobody lives without it.. Christ's blood is sufficient.

On that glorious day... although my life will be as filthy rags.. I will be white as snow.
It is possible and I live without it.
Thanks be to our gracious God who has supplied everything we need to remain free from sin !
 
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False gospels say that Christ's finished work of redemption (Romans 3:24-28) is IN-sufficient to save us through faith and that we must "add our performance" as a "supplement" to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us.
What do you suppose we are freed from by the "truth" in John 8:32-34?
 
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I'm pretty sure that this is why Christ said : "I never knew you, depart from Me". Not because they thought they were saved but because they thought that what they "DID" was good enough.
Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
All their claims are what they "DID".
The verse says why they were rejected.
It was because they still committed sin.
 
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The verse says why they were rejected.
It was because they still committed sin.

It says He NEVER knew them, which is a kick in the face of the presumption we can somehow be His and then not His later on.
 
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It is possible and I live without it.
Thanks be to our gracious God who has supplied everything we need to remain free from sin !
I disagree. If I we had your church elders follow your around for a week... I bet the list would be long as your arm.

If you think that you are living without sin... you are deceived.
 
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It says He NEVER knew them, which is a kick in the face of the presumption we can somehow be His and then not His later on.
I agree... He knows me...
 
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The verse says why they were rejected.
It was because they still committed sin.
I was because they thought that they could have eternal life by what they did... Christ said "I never knew you"... Does He not know his flock?
 
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I disagree. If I we had your church elders follow your around for a week... I bet the list would be long as your arm.

If you think that you are living without sin... you are deceived.
If you are disagreeing on the assumption I am wrong, then you must admit you might be wrong yourself.
Unless you can point out a scripture implying no man can ever be sin free, you have no basis for your assumption.
Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Does that sound like he is exhorting the impossible?
 
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Does anyone think we can practice the following sins without repentance and still get to heaven?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV /
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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I was because they thought that they could have eternal life by what they did... Christ said "I never knew you"... Does He not know his flock?
They did "what they did" in spite of their still living in sin.
The sin is why Jesus never knew them.
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
 
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They did "what they did" in spite of their still living in sin.
The sin is why Jesus never knew them.
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
All that is not of Faith is iniquity.

It didn't matter what Noah's neighbors were busy doing when the flood came. If they didn't board the ark, they were lost.

Perhaps there is a correlation here. Those busy practicing sin ... will not bother to board the ark of salvation ...
 
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If you are disagreeing on the assumption I am wrong, then you must admit you might be wrong yourself.
Unless you can point out a scripture implying no man can ever be sin free, you have no basis for your assumption.
Paul writes..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Does that sound like he is exhorting the impossible?
1 John 1:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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They did "what they did" in spite of their still living in sin.
The sin is why Jesus never knew them.
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
The "sin" in that passage is clear... It was those who were calling upon and doing many mighty and wonderful (to others) powerful works (supposedly) in His name, and yet were more than likely still in sin, etc, though I don't know how much that latter part really had to do with it or not, apart from their doing and/or performing or (supposedly) doing many mighty and wonderful powerful works in (supposedly) His name, or by or through or by Him, etc...

The sin seems to be pretty clear that they were really not, etc... And is the sin God is or was concerned with the most, etc...

It is a warning specifically to those doing powerful and mighty works or supernatural works in His name, not just "specifically about general sinners being in just general sin itself" or generally...

It does not mean and is not talking about that at all (in that passage), etc...

So you are misapplying it and misinterpreting it and are intending to deceive, or you are not using the truth in truth, which is a sin in itself BTW...

God Bless!
 
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