False Doctrines.

[Albion]

It looks like most of the difficulty here comes from misunderstanding the meanings of various verses, not because of any contradictions.

 

[ebedmelech]

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but as I read through this thread, it leads me to think you have no foundation in the essentials.

I don't know that though. How about you lay out what you believe here?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Creed is a pretty good place to start. It's the de facto summary of Christian teaching. One who rejects the Creed stands outside of the historic Christian faith.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[shturt678]

To ViaCrucis ... thank u sir ... I'm a creed man but thought that a good place to start and end was with Scriptura ex Scriptura explicanda est where the creeds are summaries of belief, and accessed secondarily sir??? ... otherwise resulting in a denomination denominating sir??? thank u again for ur time and patience.

 

[ActionJ]

One of the newest trends is the teaching that Christians must adhere to laws of Moses as defined by the Old Covenant. Some actually teach that the New Covenant is simply an extension of the Old Covenant but the Bible makes it very clear that the New Covenant completely replaced the Old.

Acts chapter 15 explains that Christians are no longer required to keep the laws of Moses. But one of my favorite verses is found in Hebrews:

Hebrews 8:13, "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

The Bible makes it clear that the "old covenant" is "ready to vanish away." Of course, it has vanished away if and when we accept the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[shturt678]

Hi ActionJ ... i'm also a new guy on the block ... agree with ur sharings and thank u ... was curious "but saved" ... do u mean "saved, being saved, and shall be saved"? .. not allowing denominations to dominate our views of the essentials of the faith??? thank u and i'm am more than satisfied with this site ... in fact ... really like the way it was put together and moderated daily ... thank u again.

 

[ActionJ]

Hi ActionJ ... i'm also a new guy on the block ... agree with ur sharings and thank u ... was curious "but saved" ... do u mean "saved, being saved, and shall be saved"? .. not allowing denominations to dominate our views of the essentials of the faith??? thank u and i'm am more than satisfied with this site ... in fact ... really like the way it was put together and moderated daily ... thank u again.

Howdy.

I believe that Jesus Christ paid (past tense, present tense, future tense) for our sins with His blood. He fulfilled the law of sin sacrifice with His blood and His life as the perfect Lamb of God.

We're saved in the present and future tense according to these verses:

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Acts 15:11, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

 

[shturt678]

To ActionJ Lucid, to the point in ur reply .. i could learn from u sir ... still another question or two .... at Eph.2;8, does this passage convey saved, like at instant of faith only or does it convey the resultant condition of safety hence including "being saved" and "shall be saved? ... regarding Acts15:11, do u regard "we believe to be saved" as like the former "instant of faith" or rescued spiritually and placed in ongoing condition of safety? Had a chance to eyeball ICor.1:18 and/or Matt.10:22? thank u again and look forward to hearing form u.

 

[ActionJ]

To ActionJ Lucid, to the point in ur reply .. i could learn from u sir ... still another question or two .... at Eph.2;8, does this passage convey saved, like at instant of faith only or does it convey the resultant condition of safety hence including "being saved" and "shall be saved? ... regarding Acts15:11, do u regard "we believe to be saved" as like the former "instant of faith" or rescued spiritually and placed in ongoing condition of safety? Had a chance to eyeball ICor.1:18 and/or Matt.10:22? thank u again and look forward to hearing form u.

I personally believe that salvation is instantaneous at the very moment a person accepts Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior. However, sanctification is an ongoing process that can take a lifetime.

There are clear consequences for accepting Jesus Christ and there are serious consequences for rejecting Him:

John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Salvation to him who believes but damnation to him who willingly rejects.

Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

I hope I've answered your question. If not, please clarify your question and I will do my best to clarify my answer.

 

[shturt678]

I personally believe that salvation is instantaneous at the very moment a person accepts Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior. However, sanctification is an ongoing process that can take a lifetime.

There are clear consequences for accepting Jesus Christ and there are serious consequences for rejecting Him:

John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Salvation to him who believes but damnation to him who willingly rejects.

Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

I hope I've answered your question. If not, please clarify your question and I will do my best to clarify my answer.

To ActionJ thank u ... i like ur "action" ... lol with u .... u have been, again, clear and to the point in ur reply ... thank u again ... we can agree to disagree ... going from the ancient Greek forward to the English, salvation may be an ongoing process beyond the "instant of faith" sir, yet u may be correct and i'm in error.

 

[Yarddog]

One example is the fact that many Christians seem to think Jesus is not on earth in the flesh but is in some location called heaven which is not on this planet. They are expecting Jesus to return to earth in the flesh one day but no one knows the day or the hour of that apparent return. ( Matt 25:13 )
Jesus Himself however told his disciples He would NEVER leave them or forsake them ( Heb 13:5 ) but would be with them always till the end of the world.( Matt 28:20 ) Did Jesus lie and leave people waiting for him to return for over 2000 years ?

Please explain that apparent contradiction ?

If Jesus is here always why are Christians waiting for his return ?

Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of the Father. He is also with us through the Holy Spirit, whom he sent in his place. There is no contradiction.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of the Father. He is also with us through the Holy Spirit, whom he sent in his place. There is no contradiction.

Yes, Jesus make that quite clear in John 16. He has also promised to return at the end of the age (Matthew 24).

 

[Leuko Petra]

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

What about the true prophet? No sense in warning about many false, if there were not to be sent the true in their midst.

As for false doctrines, there are many, but the easier way to determine this is the find the True Doctrines, and all the false will fall away.

Another way to do this, is to ask questions one at a time, and consider what the Bible has to say on that question, and we will also find what Christ Jesus has to say upon it also. Then any which are not teaching that officially [not individually], are false, though they may have other true mixed in also. Then we move to the next question. Would you like to consider a few?

The True is not that hard to find, once we begin to search in answering the questions.

 

[bbbbbbb]

What about the true prophet? No sense in warning about many false, if there were not to be sent the true in their midst.

As for false doctrines, there are many, but the easier way to determine this is the find the True Doctrines, and all the false will fall away.

Another way to do this, is to ask questions one at a time, and consider what the Bible has to say on that question, and we will also find what Christ Jesus has to say upon it also. Then any which are not teaching that officially [not individually], are false, though they may have other true mixed in also. Then we move to the next question. Would you like to consider a few?

The True is not that hard to find, once we begin to search in answering the questions.

Our LDS friends definitely know who the True Prophet is, as do the Christian Scientists, as do any number of off-shoots. Oddly enough, none of these "True Prophets" agree with each other.

 

[Leuko Petra]

Our LDS friends definitely know who the True Prophet is, as do the Christian Scientists, as do any number of off-shoots. Oddly enough, none of these "True Prophets" agree with each other.

That they disagree with one another does not automatically mean that they are false. What makes them false is determined by scripture.

Surely there were true and false prophets in the scripture, and they disagreed with one another, yes? Are we to simply discount all such claiming to be prophets if they disagree, or rather test them by scripture?

The gift of prophets has not been removed from the Body of Christ Jesus, and we may test and prove even this scripturally.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That they disagree with one another does not automatically mean that they are false. What makes them false is determined by scripture.

Surely there were true and false prophets in the scripture, and they disagreed with one another, yes? Are we to simply discount all such claiming to be prophets if they disagree, or rather test them by scripture?

The gift of prophets has not been removed from the Body of Christ Jesus, and we may test and prove even this scripturally.

Scripture itself asserts two requirements of a prophet. His prophecies must come true and nothing he says can contradict what God has already revealed. Given these rather stringent requirements, none of the aforesaid prophets are true and all are false.

 

[Leuko Petra]

Scripture itself asserts two requirements of a prophet. His prophecies must come true and nothing he says can contradict what God has already revealed. Given these rather stringent requirements, none of the aforesaid prophets are true and all are false.

It actually has a lot more than two, and we can look at these if you would like to. Simply lumping all [prophets] together serves no purpose other than to also be rid of the True, which is a very dangerous thing to do.

Would you like to consider them?

 

[shturt678]

I personally believe that salvation is instantaneous at the very moment a person accepts Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior. However, sanctification is an ongoing process that can take a lifetime.

Your absolutely correct: "Instant of faith," in the Kingdom of God depending upon whether or not one has a gospel type water baptism rebirth from an ol' old Lutheran view .... sorry, you were clear and I missed it! Please accept my apology, my age catching me up. No excuse.

 

[ActionJ]

I personally believe that salvation is instantaneous at the very moment a person accepts Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior. However, sanctification is an ongoing process that can take a lifetime.

Your absolutely correct: "Instant of faith," in the Kingdom of God depending upon whether or not one has a gospel type water baptism rebirth from an ol' old Lutheran view .... sorry, you were clear and I missed it! Please accept my apology, my age catching me up. No excuse.

LOL. You're a gracious man! I can't even remember what we were talking about initially but you certainly don't need to apologize. Have a pleasant day.

 

[Maite Els]

The only certain way is to compare their teaching with the Bible. If there is a contradiction then one should reject them and believe the Bible.

If after compare the doctrine of a church with the Bible it is found that such doctrine is false... the next step is to expulse the one who started all the study, silence everything and keep on pretending that it is a perfect christian doctrine.