False Doctrines.

[Skyangel01]

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

 

[bbbbbbb]

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

The only certain way is to compare their teaching with the Bible. If there is a contradiction then one should reject them and believe the Bible.

 

[Skyangel01]

The only certain way is to compare their teaching with the Bible. If there is a contradiction then one should reject them and believe the Bible.

There are many contradictions in the doctrines of Christianity. Are you saying it is best to reject Christianity altogether?

 

[Panevino]

What are the contradictions?

 

[Skyangel01]

What are the contradictions?

One example is the fact that many Christians seem to think Jesus is not on earth in the flesh but is in some location called heaven which is not on this planet. They are expecting Jesus to return to earth in the flesh one day but no one knows the day or the hour of that apparent return. ( Matt 25:13 )
Jesus Himself however told his disciples He would NEVER leave them or forsake them ( Heb 13:5 ) but would be with them always till the end of the world.( Matt 28:20 ) Did Jesus lie and leave people waiting for him to return for over 2000 years ?

Please explain that apparent contradiction ?

If Jesus is here always why are Christians waiting for his return ?

 

[pastorpatricia]

Jesus has not left them or forsaken them He sent the Holy Spirit to be with them until His return

 

[Panevino]

See John 16:5-16

 

[Skyangel01]

Jesus has not left them or forsaken them He sent the Holy Spirit to be with them until His return

Are Jesus and the Holy Spirit not one and the same ?
Jesus did tell His disciples He would return before some of them died. Do you think He fulfilled His promise to them or not ?

How do you interpret this scripture ?
Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

He was talking to those alive at the time, was He not ? Did they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom or not ?

 

[Skyangel01]

See John 16:5-16

I am the light of the world.
Christians hate being judged by the light. They prefer to walk in darkness and cast the light out of their lives as they wait for some false Christ to come floating out of the literal clouds.

They are so blind to the Son of man on earth in the flesh that they simply cannot see Him. Many Christians even deny He is on earth in the flesh. Those professing "believers" are not of God.

Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ( 1 John 4:3 )

 

[Panevino]

Consider

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].....
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[Skyangel01]

Consider

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].....
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

If "these"are in the world and Jesus is in them and they are in him, is Jesus in the world or in the kingdom of heaven ?
Where is the kingdom of heaven ?
It is WITHIN YOU. ( Luke 17:21)
The Father is within those who are within Him. Heaven is within you. Jesus lives in those who live in Him. We are in the world but not of the world.
I and the Father are one.
To see you is to see your Father in you. Your Father manifests Himself in your flesh.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

If that principle applies to Jesus, it also applies to all who live in Him and He in them.

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


I am in the Father and the Father is in me. We are one because God answered Jesus prayers and made us perfect in one.

 

[Panevino]

If "these"are in the world and Jesus is in them and they are in him, is Jesus in the world or in the kingdom of heaven ?
Where is the kingdom of heaven ?
It is WITHIN YOU. ( Luke 17:21)
The Father is within those who are within Him. Heaven is within you. Jesus lives in those who live in Him. We are in the world but not of the world.
I and the Father are one.
To see you is to see your Father in you. Your Father manifests Himself in your flesh.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

If that principle applies to Jesus, it also applies to all who live in Him and He in them.

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


I am in the Father and the Father is in me. We are one because God answered Jesus prayers and made us perfect in one.

I'm no expert, but I have been responding to your suggestion that Jesus is not currently physically with the Father in Heaven.
This is seperate to his presence here in the Holy Spirit and probably seperate again to what all Christians strive for "to abide in Him and He in is" and remain branches on the vine.
I'm not arguing against the later points here with you.

John 15: 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


John12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

By the way All Christians believe in this verse
Mat18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Beyond that Catholics also believe in a more significant presence in the Eucharist

I think I disagree with you when you say "Heaven is within you", it sends up red flags to me.
I could be wrong as your comments And the way you phrase it are generally a new one for me.

 

[Skyangel01]

I'm no expert, but I have been responding to your suggestion that Jesus is not currently physically with the Father in Heaven.
This is seperate to his presence here in the Holy Spirit and probably seperate again to what all Christians strive for "to abide in Him and He in is" and remain branches on the vine.
I'm not arguing against the later points here with you.

John 15: 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


John12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

By the way All Christians believe in this verse
Mat18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Beyond that Catholics also believe in a more significant presence in the Eucharist

I think I disagree with you when you say "Heaven is within you", it sends up red flags to me.
I could be wrong as your comments And the way you phrase it are generally a new one for me.

Where do you think Jesus physically is if not with the Father in heaven ?
He did say He was going to the Father.
John 16:16 ... I go to the Father.
John 16:17 ... I go to the Father.
John 17:13 And now come I to thee;...
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am;

Where do you think Jesus physically is today ?
Is he with the Father in heaven or not ?

Is heaven and the Kingdom of God the same thing to you ? if not, what is the difference between them ? The Kingdom of God is within you according to Jesus. If heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing then heaven is within you.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Those of us who live in Him and He in them, are living in the reality of heaven on earth. We are not of this world. We are one with Jesus and the Father. We are where He is at all times.

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

[Panevino]

Hi skyangel
Let me think about this more.

In meantime, heaven is shown to be seperate from earth here

Rev 11:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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.........Rev12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

...rev12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev6:death, and with the beasts of the earth. 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

 

[Skyangel01]

Hi skyangel
Let me think about this more.

In meantime, heaven is shown to be seperate from earth here

Rev 11:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
....
.........Rev12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

...rev12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev6:death, and with the beasts of the earth. 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Heaven is the spiritual realm. Earth is the physical realm. The Spiritual realm is on earth and in earth but it is invisible to the physical people on earth. The only thing that separates them is the "curtain" of the carnal mind which makes the spiritual things invisible to the carnally minded person who walks in the flesh or the physical realm and remains at enmity with God. The flesh is the earth and the Kingdom of God is heaven. Heaven, The Kingdom of God, is within you according to Jesus. Those who live in the flesh however cannot comprehend that because they are of the world and live in the flesh rather than in the Spirit which is in heaven.

Those who live in the Spirit ( heaven ) can see spiritual things in a physical sense. Those who live in the flesh ( earth ) cannot.

 

[ViaCrucis]

One example is the fact that many Christians seem to think Jesus is not on earth in the flesh but is in some location called heaven which is not on this planet. They are expecting Jesus to return to earth in the flesh one day but no one knows the day or the hour of that apparent return. ( Matt 25:13 )
Jesus Himself however told his disciples He would NEVER leave them or forsake them ( Heb 13:5 ) but would be with them always till the end of the world.( Matt 28:20 ) Did Jesus lie and leave people waiting for him to return for over 2000 years ?

Please explain that apparent contradiction ?

If Jesus is here always why are Christians waiting for his return ?

Jesus hasn't left us, He is at the Father's right hand (a figurative statement referring to Jesus returning to His Father and having a position of authority), but He is very much present with us.

How is He with us? He is with us by the power of the Spirit. He is present in His Word and Sacraments, He is present in our love for one another, and He is present among the weak and the outcast. We can recall His statement, "Wherever two or three are gathered in My name, I am there among them."

If you want to meet with Christ then pray, hear His Word and receive His body and blood,

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

The Biblical Christ is God in the flesh.( 1 Tim 3:16, John 1:1,14) Those who deny Christ came in the flesh are the spirit of antichrist( 1 John 4:3-4, 2 John 7). Those who deny Jesus remains in the flesh albeit glorified also worship a false christ and deny the very basis of Christianity the Resurrection. JW's believe the above and therefor have a false christ and there are many others who are not JW's who believe like they do. Many unitarians and some even in protestant churches deny the Incarnation and the literal Resurrection of Jesus who remains both God and man, human and Divine. One Person with 2 natures. This is the very foundation of orthodox Christianity and where I begin when talking to others about Christ. People will say they believe in Jesus but the question is which Jesus ?

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

no thats modalism. God is One in nature, 3 in Persons. The Son is not the Father, the Son is not the Holy Spirit.

Are Jesus and the Holy Spirit not one and the same ?

 

[Chany]

Heaven is the spiritual realm. Earth is the physical realm. The Spiritual realm is on earth and in earth but it is invisible to the physical people on earth. The only thing that separates them is the "curtain" of the carnal mind which makes the spiritual things invisible to the carnally minded person who walks in the flesh or the physical realm and remains at enmity with God. The flesh is the earth and the Kingdom of God is heaven. Heaven, The Kingdom of God, is within you according to Jesus. Those who live in the flesh however cannot comprehend that because they are of the world and live in the flesh rather than in the Spirit which is in heaven.

Those who live in the Spirit ( heaven ) can see spiritual things in a physical sense. Those who live in the flesh ( earth ) cannot.

That is logical fallacy. The spiritual realm that you speak of is God's metaphysical realm. God is completely separate from our universe, for if He were dependent to it, it would mean He is not God and could not create it, for He would be creating Himself, which is impossible.

Because the metaphysical realm is outside of our own, it is not dependent upon our physical universe. Our world is dependent upon God; the two realms, as you call them, are not dependent upon one another. As earth is part of this finite, physical realm, the entire metaphysical realm is not one in the same with it. The metaphysical world will continue to exist even if ours is gone.

 

[football5680]

The bible clearly warns against false doctrines and false prophets.
Heb 13:9
1 Tim 4:1-3
Matt 7:15
Matt 24:11
Matt 24:24

What are the false doctrines in Christian religions?

What is the difference between the false Christ and the real Christ ?

How do people know they are not being led astray by false doctrines taught by false prophets ?
How do people know they are not following a false Christ ?

There are no false doctrines in the bible. The bible is perfect. The false doctrines arise when somebody creates their own ideas and try to pass it off as if it comes from the bible. If somebody says something contradictory to the bible then you must disregard the message.

The antichrist will turn people away from god and make them believe in him. The identity of the antichirst will be known until it is too late. He isn't going to come as an evil person with horns coming out of his head, he will come and actually preach peace and unity and his goal is to unify everybody under him so he has power over them. Then later on after this point he will declare himself god.

Like I said the identity isn't going to be obvious because he will start off in the name of peace. He is trying to gain everybodies trust, and later on he will start to go against the bible but by that time many people would have already bought in to his ideas. If you are a devout and educated Christian you will begin to put the peices together and you will know he is the antichrist at this point.

Depends on what time frame you mean. We know we are not following a false christ today because through Jesus we were brought closer to god. The antichrist will try to do the opposite.