Fairytale?

[Inan3]

It's posts like this that tell me Bible bashers always (and I mean always) avoid the context of the passage.

Whenever anyone critiques a verse or passage of Scripture, study the context of the passage (or its supporting passages) --- it will always pwn the poster --- without fail.

I'm sorry to say but my experience is that they DO NOT WANT to know the truth. They already have their minds made up. If they wanted truth they would not get it so mixed up. Even if they read the whole context they would get it wrong because the natural man will not and cannot receive the things of the spirit for they are spiritually discerned. So their interpretation will always be flawed. They will continually get it backwards like the following quote.

The bible teaches that ignorance is above knowledge; non-conformists are fools who deserve a slow, painful death and/or eternal carseration in the worst fire imaginable (complete with gnashing of teeth), justifies war, slavery and infanticide; that a preist is best qualified to determine how infectious skin conditions are...
Need I carry on?

They don't realize that what they consider "knowledge"....to know more than God ... IS ignorance.

The true non-conformist is the one who will NOT go the way of the world...the way of the multitudes. For narrow and straight is the way to life a "few" their be that find it and broad is the way that leads to destruction and "many" go in there by. They blame God for this, when in actuality He has done everything to prevent this. BUT men make their own choices and He gives them this right and yet they do not heed His warning, they prefer to say it's His doing not theirs.

 

[Blayz]

They don't realize that what they consider "knowledge"....to know more than God ... IS ignorance.

You've said some odd things in the past punky, but a direct contradiction in terms? knowledge is ignorance, up is down, less is more...oooh, I get it, you are a closet Nihlist!

 

[Split Rock]

It's posts like this that tell me Bible bashers always (and I mean always) avoid the context of the passage.

You mean like you do when you quote scripture out of context to prove that it mentions the internet?

Whenever anyone critiques a verse or passage of Scripture, study the context of the passage (or its supporting passages) --- it will always pwn the poster --- without fail.

Go ahead... show how those quotes were taken out of context.

 

[Inan3]

You've said some odd things in the past punky, but a direct contradiction in terms? knowledge is ignorance, up is down, less is more...oooh, I get it, you are a closet Nihlist!

That's because the spiritual realm is very often in contradiction to the natural realm.

I am not a Nihilist in that I don't deny the existence of things that are. I call for the existence of things that are not as though they were. I believe that by applying spiritual principles you can change the things that are.

Nihilism believes in the pointlessness of existence I on the other hand believe in the purpose of existence.

I am not a Nihilist I am made in the likeness and image of God. I am born of God. I am His offspring and an imitator of my Father!

 

[Loudmouth]

That's because the spiritual realm is very often in contradiction to the natural realm.

What spiritual realm are you speaking of? Evidence please.

I believe that by applying spiritual principles you can change the things that are.

Examples? Does this include levitation and spoon bending? You know, magic?

I am not a Nihilist I am made in the likeness and image of God. I am born of God. I am His offspring and an imitator of my Father!

What God? Evidence please.

 

[Aron-Ra]

I'm sorry to say but my experience is that they DO NOT WANT to know the truth. They already have their minds made up. If they wanted truth they would not get it so mixed up.

So what you're saying is; if we wanna believe the way you do, then we won't notice all these contradictions, attrocities and absurdities, and that the only reason they're so obvious is not because they're actually there, but because we don't want to know the truth?

Are you also saying that the reason you can ignore every repugnant part of your theology, and still make all your compiled illogical assumptions and make positive claims which are never verifiably accurate and never have any actual evidence to indicate them; the reason you assume impossible conclusions, and decide in advance to automatically reject -without consideration- any and all contrary evidence you may ever find out about; is because you love truth so much?

Well, of all the stupid insults you've lobbed so far, this is the most idiotic. The fact is that the reason we can't ignore these glaring inconsistencies the way you do is the very same reason we shouldn't accept anything on faith; it is because we do want to know learn what the truth really is, and will not be content pretending that we already know it, even when we know we can't, and that what we pretend to know is indefensible on any level.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Where is the justification. I see only wisdom and direction and protection in our battles.

Yes. First rule of "battles": kill and destroy all living things even marginally associated with your foe. TOTAL WAR!

As to slavery , I see the same here, direction and protection for the treatment of the slave.

That's kinda sick. Sorry to hear you think another human being can be "owned" such that they would need to be treated well.

"Direction and Protection for the treatment of the slave." That's pretty twisted.

Would you like to be a slave? No matter how well treated you are, you're still a slave. Owned by another human being.

In that day the priests were qualified to do that.

I was merely responding to your blanket statement about what the bible did or didn't teach.

Not my problem if you didn't intend to make the statement a blanket statement.

 

[AV1611VET]

You've said some odd things in the past punky, but a direct contradiction in terms? knowledge is ignorance, up is down, less is more...oooh, I get it, you are a closet Nihlist!

You'll really enjoy these paradoxes then:

• [bible]Proverbs 26:4[/bible]
• [bible]Proverbs 26:5[/bible]

[bible]Matthew 10:39[/bible]

[bible]Matthew 19:30[/bible]

[bible]Matthew 20:27[/bible]

[bible]2 Corinthians 12:10[/bible]

• [bible]Galatians 6:2[/bible]
• [bible]Galatians 6:5[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sorry to say but my experience is that they DO NOT WANT to know the truth.

What's tragic is that some who say you cannot know the truth, spend their whole lives looking for it.

 

[Loudmouth]

What's tragic is that some who say you cannot know the truth, spend their whole lives looking for it.

That's a better life than pretending a fairy tale is the truth while ignoring all of reality.

 

[thaumaturgy]

I'm sorry to say but my experience is that they DO NOT WANT to know the truth.

So are you taking some biology and geology classes in order to speak against evolution from a position of knowledge? Or are you happy to just take other creationists word for it?

They already have their minds made up.

Sorry, but I came to my conclusions after years of soul-searching and trying to understand faith better. I sat down and read the bible cover to cover (sans apocrypha) to better understand. I took philosophy classes and read numerous books on the history of religious and christian thought.

If I have made up my mind, I hope it is from a position of education rather than simply taking someone else's word for it.

If they wanted truth they would not get it so mixed up. Even if they read the whole context they would get it wrong because the natural man will not and cannot

Yet so few religious people appear capable of actually teaching. But to be a good teacher one must also be a good student first.

I've admitted I've learned from AV's posts, but AV is quite content to never learn any science from a science post. I've altered my debate stance on a couple of biblical points directly due to stuff I've learned from AV. But he steadfastly refuses to learn from a science post.

I am impressed.

I've seen so many creationists on this board claim ignorance of the science against which they rail.

I am saddened by that. It is a love of ignorance so profound it shocks.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's a better life than pretending a fairy tale is the truth while ignoring all of reality.

Here's another good point:

Wanting us Christians to take every picture and chart and graph you show us literally, while at the same time calling the Bible "a fairy tale."

If you can't recognize the Bible for what it is, why do you want us to recognize [your interpretation of] science for what it is?

For as many times as you guys get the Bible wrong, you'll never convince me your [interpretation of] physical data is correct.

 

[Aron-Ra]

You'll really enjoy these paradoxes then:

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

OK then, I'll remember never to write another response to you again. Thanks.

 

[LittleNipper]

The bible teaches that ignorance is above knowledge; non-conformists are fools who deserve a slow, painful death and/or eternal carseration in the worst fire imaginable (complete with gnashing of teeth), justifies war, slavery and infanticide; that a preist is best qualified to determine how infectious skin conditions are...
Need I carry on?

All this happens to people who will not ask and choose not to listen.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, but I came to my conclusions after years of soul-searching and trying to understand faith better. I sat down and read the bible cover to cover (sans apocrypha) to better understand. I took philosophy classes and read numerous books on the history of religious and christian thought.

Your credibility with me was shot when you tried to pin the Crusades on Christians.

Also, you demonstrated a severe lack of understanding with where Independent Fundamental Baptists stand on issues of the past, and things that happen/have happened beyond their individual membership rolls.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK then, I'll remember never to write another response to you again. Thanks.

You can't help it ---

 

[Split Rock]

Your credibility with me was shot when you tried to pin the Crusades on Christians.

He was probably fooled by all the Christians who took part in the Crusades and by the fact that the stated purpose of the Crusades was to free the Holy Land (especially Jerusalem) from the Muslims.

 

[Split Rock]

All this happens to people who will not ask and choose not to listen.

LOL! That is such a joke coming from someone who refuses to learn anything about what he rails against!

 

[Loudmouth]

Here's another good point:

Wanting us Christians to take every picture and chart and graph you show us literally, while at the same time calling the Bible "a fairy tale."

You don't have to take us "literally". The evidence that we reference is objective, meaning that it is available to everyone. If you don't believe that humans and chimps share 200,000 orthologous ERV's then sequence the genomes yourself.

On the creationist side we have a story that has golems, talking serpents, and a woman made out of a rib. Where can I examine any of this independently of the Bible? Nowhere. The evidence supporting evolution can be independently observed by anyone. This is not so of the Bible. The only thing propping up creationism is dogma.

If you can't recognize the Bible for what it is, why do you want us to recognize [your interpretation of] science for what it is?

Then show how evolution is an incorrect interpretation using something other than religious dogma. Use something like, I don't know, evidence.

For as many times as you guys get the Bible wrong, you'll never convince me your [interpretation of] physical data is correct.

I know I won't convince you, but that has nothing to do with the evidence. All you have left is your stubborness.

 

[AV1611VET]

He was probably fooled by all the Christians who took part in the Crusades and by the fact that the stated purpose of the Crusades was to free the Holy Land (especially Jerusalem) from the Muslims.

Right --- free the Holy Land --- after Jesus said it would be occupied until after the times of the Gentiles.

Wouldn't you say these "Christians" were jumping the gun a little, and trying to prove Jesus' words wrong?

[bible]Luke 21:24[/bible]