Facts To Prove The Theory Of Evolution

[BCP1928]

I'm honestly confused. Why on Earth would you think that just because something is widely taught that makes it a fact?

Because it is being subject to widespread study and scrutiny, including by adherents of three worldwide faiths for which the Genesis stories are foundational. Because of those who study it, many use it in its applied form with success.

 

[Chesterton]

Please don't answer my question with another question.

Why do you not agree with the statement I made in post #155?

Because it's just a simple non sequitur - something is taught, therefore it's a fact.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because it's just a simple non sequitur - something is taught, therefore it's a fact.

Because, believe it or not, facts are taught. They are conditional, but facts are still facts until proven wrong.

But, since you've got a hang up on that question, let's change it: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no?

 

[Chesterton]

Because it is being subject to widespread study and scrutiny, including by adherents of three worldwide faiths for which the Genesis stories are foundational. Because of those who study it, many use it in its applied form with success.

I have been curious about this in the past - what is the applied form of the TOE?

 

[BCP1928]

Because it's just a simple non sequitur - something is taught, therefore it's a fact.

That a scientific theory is widely taught and widely used with success means that it is frequently tested in a variety of ways.

 

[Chesterton]

Because, believe it or not, facts are taught. They are conditional, but facts are still facts until proven wrong.

But, since you've got a hang up on that question, let's change it: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no?

What grade level are we talking about? What is there to teach about evolution? I like the idea of teaching reading, writing and mathematics, but what is there to teach about evolution?

 

[BCP1928]

I have been curious about this in the past - what is the applied form of the TOE?

The creation of new vaccines and other medical applications. In agriculture and animal husbandry.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What grade level are we talking about? What is there to teach about evolution? I like the idea of teaching reading, writing and mathematics, but what is there to teach about evolution?

Just answer the question as given, please: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no?

 

[BCP1928]

What grade level are we talking about? What is there to teach about evolution? I like the idea of teaching reading, writing and mathematics, but what is there to teach about evolution?

At all levels where biology is taught, up through graduate school.

 

[Hans Blaster]

An ad hom attack is not a response to argument. But it's funny you mention it - I've actually heard him admit he's arrogant.

Posting a video Gish gallop is not an argument. I see no reason to give a detailed response to a long series of bad claims, particularly since most of the readers of the thread watched none to little of the video. He offered exactly nothing new that I haven't seen posted here and refuted here dozens of times.

I don't recall ever hearing that from any of the Four Horsemen. Hitchens might have been the most arrogant man on the planet.

Perhaps, he certainly was arrogant.

Anyway, among many other endeavors he did serve as a research assistant in the Department of Biology at Columbia University.

And he (from his own description) managed to turn that experience only into a travel down the rabbit hole of bad mathematical analysis of evolution. (The "bad" part was me again, judging him harshly.) He seems to think it would be easy, but I've seen the "easy" mathematical models of evolution and they all are horribly wrong and useless. I don't think he is very scientific as he is enamored with his bad thinking.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

... causing death ? Conservatively , from pubmed >
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › 25355584

Our prescription drugs kill us in large numbers - PubMed​

Abstract. Our prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in the United States and Europe. Around half of those who die have taken their drugs correctly;

Really nothing to do with evolution at all.

 

[sjastro]

Is this mouse they call Maud'dib? (asking for my friend, Usal)

I plead ignorance here and relied on AI on deciphering your obscure post.

 

[Chesterton]

Just answer the question as given, please: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no?

Your question is vague, so I'm forced to respond with questions to clarify. Teach what exactly? Teach common descent with modification? Teach natural selection? Teach beneficial random mutations?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Your question is vague, so I'm forced to respond with questions to clarify. Teach what exactly? Teach common descent with modification? Teach natural selection? Teach beneficial random mutations?

No, my question is a simple yes or no question: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no? Take the question as I present it, and make the effort.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Someone posted it did, so I looked it up.

People dying from medicine going wrong has nothing to do with evolution. If you think it does, explain how and why.

 

[Chesterton]

Posting a video Gish gallop is not an argument. I see no reason to give a detailed response to a long series of bad claims, particularly since most of the readers of the thread watched none to little of the video. He offered exactly nothing new that I haven't seen posted here and refuted here dozens of times.

Well that's pretty much what I said in my post isn't it? I gave a brief answer to his question, then said that if was interested he could listen to a video to hear more. Technically not a Gish gallop. I was not in the mood to write a lengthy post containing points that no one would read, so I posted a video which no one would watch. But I felt it would be rude not to answer with something.

And he (from his own description) managed to turn that experience only into a travel down the rabbit hole of bad mathematical analysis of evolution. (The "bad" part was me again, judging him harshly.) He seems to think it would be easy, but I've seen the "easy" mathematical models of evolution and they all are horribly wrong and useless. I don't think he is very scientific as he is enamored with his bad thinking.

Feel free to elaborate if you've got the math chops.

 

[Astrid]

Fair enough.

Now, just continuing with this line of though: since the theory of evolution as it currently stands is taught across the world, especially in the Western world, then the amount of evidence for it must be somewhat sufficient for many people to say that they accept the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. Do you agree with this statement?

It's accepted w no problem in China

 

[Chesterton]

No, my question is a simple yes or no question: do you think that evolution should be taught, yes or no? Take the question as I present it, and make the effort.

My hands are tied by the rules of this sub-forum. I'll just say "yes", but I may get in trouble if I elaborate on how and where and when it should be taught. Sorry.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My hands are tied by the rules of this sub-forum. I'll just say "yes", but I may get in trouble if I elaborate on how and where and when it should be taught. Sorry.

Honestly, I would be fine with the yes answer. I'm not looking for specifics, although I think you might not get in trouble for saying why, but that's your prerogative.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well that's pretty much what I said in my post isn't it? I gave a brief answer to his question, then said that if was interested he could listen to a video to hear more. Technically not a Gish gallop. I was not in the mood to write a lengthy post containing points that no one would read, so I posted a video which no one would watch. But I felt it would be rude not to answer with something.

And I gave my assessment based on far more than just the posting. I stand by it. It's just erudite Ken Ham.

Feel free to elaborate if you've got the math chops.

There was a whole book referenced earlier about the mathematical problems of these attacks on evolution. I don't have the "evolution chops" to build such a model, but I do have the modeling experience to understand why such a model would be very difficult to build. Berlinsky underestimates the issues involved when he dismisses the simple models and concludes that such models demonstrating evolution *should* exist.