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Natural selection, and environmental changes still play a major part, which is why I said what I said earlier was an "overgeneralization" for the most part previously, etc.So it looks like there are two conflicting views on this thread.
One view is that ToE states that (for example) Spot the Dog can grow gills if he live near or around water.
The other view is not that. The other view is that allele frequency changes over time (up to 10,000’s of generations or more) and this leads to new species (not Spot magically growing gills).
The latter is correct. The former is mind numbingly wrong.
That this has to be pointed out is shameful of standards of education.
Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?So it looks like there are two conflicting views on this thread.
One view is that ToE states that (for example) Spot the Dog can grow gills if he live near or around water.
The other view is not that. The other view is that allele frequency changes over time (up to 10,000’s of generations or more) and this leads to new species (not Spot magically growing gills).
The latter is correct. The former is mind numbingly wrong.
That this has to be pointed out is shameful of standards of education.
And where did the common ancestor come from?A common ancestor. How can you not know that EVEN if you don’t believe it?
The answer is obviously "no, he/she doesn't", etc, but a change in allele frequency creates a "variant", that can sometimes be a new species, but these changes still all happen only over time gradually.Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?
God Bless.
They don't. So no.Does Spot give birth to kittens if his allele frequency changes all of the sudden?
God Bless.
Prebiotic chemisty.And where did the common ancestor come from?
I thought I did? Did I misunderstand something?Did you even read the post you replied to (twice)?
It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?I thought I did? Did I misunderstand something?
A large enough population of dogs, who's environment all of the sudden changed to being just water, or mostly water, after enough generations in that environment without it changing, etc, some few of them could start changing that way, which would then have a very great advantage over all of the others, which would then eventually select their population to grow a lot more, than the life that did not, or could not make that change originally, whose population would then start to get or be reduced at that point, or maybe even eliminated eventually completely, etc.Prebiotic chemisty.
But lets stay on point. Do you accept that Spot the dog cannot grow gills by living near water?
And what animals were generated from prebiotic chemistry that can be considered ancestors of the common bonobo?Prebiotic chemisty.
But lets stay on point. Do you accept that Spot the dog cannot grow gills by living near water?
You seemed to completely deny changes in nature or environmental changes playing any kind of part in evolution, and that it was all totally only allele changes only?It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?
Oh. I see what your getting at. No Spot the dog won't have kittens and neither will Mittens the cat produce puppies.It clearly states that the Spot the Dog view point is wrong. So why the Spot having kitten question?
"Where they came from" is an origin of life question.I am not asking about the origin of life/abiogenesis. I'm asking a very simple question about evolution. If there is no "first" chimp or anything, then why do we consider a chimp to be a chimp at all, today? We clearly make distinctions in the animal kingdom.
My question is regressive, not definite. Where did the parents of the parents of the parents, et. al., come from?
More than likely it would never be dogs, but would be some other kind of species that would be better suited to more easily adapt to it completely, etc.A large enough population of dogs, who's environment all of the sudden changed to being just water, or mostly water, after enough generations in that environment without it changing, etc, some few of them could start changing that way, which would then have a very great advantage over all of the others, which would then eventually select their population to grow a lot more, than the life that did not, or could not make that change originally, whose population would then start to get or be reduced at that point, or maybe even eliminated eventually completely, etc.
But that is NOT one animal changing its shape while it is alive to be a different animal.
More or less true. But so what?If the entire animal kingdom emerged from on amoeba like creature underwater, then it can be concluded that said creature respirated underwater, for it would lack the capacity to swim up to the surface of the waters and obtain oxygen from the air. It would also have no experience being outside of water, and hence, no reason to adapt to the surface world.
Huzzah! We agree! This is wonderful.Yes to your question. It's absurd to think Spot could grow gills just by living near water, because it is impossible for the dog Spot to experience respiration underwater as Spot has lungs which breath air, and if Spot were to try and grow gills, by attempting to breath under water he would kill himself by drowning.
Thank you.ADVISOR HAT
This thread had a clean up of off topic posts. The topic is in the title.
Please present facts, not beliefs, as to why TOE is not right.
It's gotta happen over time gradually, etc. Dictated (most usually) by changes in the area where they are at, or in or with their environment (including a certain populations new circumstances and situations) most usually.Oh. I see what your getting at. No Spot the dog won't have kittens and neither will Mittens the cat produce puppies.
But at one point in time, both dogs and cats had the same progenitor. That's evolutionary fact. Not sure why people deny that.
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