Ezekiel 39, the two events Gog/Magog and Armageddon

[tranquil]

In Ezekiel 39 there are two major end times events.

1. Gog/Magog, which takes place when Israel is at peace. This is noted in Ezekiel 38, in the latter days, latter years. Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the destruction of Gog's army. Then the cleanup of the land ending in verse 16.

2. Armageddon, which takes place when Israel is in great tribulation. Ezekiel 39:17-20, which is the same as Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

The 7 years following Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation.

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You need to understand what the 'horn' from Psalm 132 symbolizes.

11The LORD swore an oath to David, a promise He will not revoke: “One of your descendants I will place on your throne.​

12If your sons keep My covenant and the testimony I will teach them, then their sons will also sit on your throne
forever and ever.” 13For the LORD has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His home: 14“This is My resting place forever and ever;​

here I will dwell, for I have desired this home. 15I will bless her with abundant provisions; I will satisfy her poor with bread.​

16I will clothe her priests with salvation, and her saints will sing out in joy. 17 There I will make a horn grow for David;​

I have prepared a lamp for My anointed one.​

This is what the 'little horn' is a reference to. The 'horn' is a descendant of David'. When this horn comes, then he will 'build a house for my name'

2 Samuel 7:12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me.3 Your throne shall be established forever.’ ”​

That is what is going on with the 2 witnesses (because 'Joshua'/ 'Yeshua' / 'Jesus' is 'building a house with the 2 witnesses). The 'house & throne is established forever' at the 7th Trumpet after being 'built' during the 2 Witnesses 1260 days in Rev 11.

Gog attacks at the beginning of the Trumpets in Ezekiel 38/ 39 (for 5 months).

Gog is destroyed (starting after 5 months) (the first part of the 6th Trumpet)

Then the little horn 'builds a house for my name' = Ezekiel 40 (Ezekiel's Temple) after Ezekiel 38 & 39 (same time as the 2 witnesses in Rev 11).

Ezekiel 37​

20When the sticks on which you write are in your hand and in full view of the people, 21you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.​

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23They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God. 24My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes.​

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25They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. 26And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.e 28Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’ ”​

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The 'my servant David' is that 'horn of David'. The 'covenant of peace' is after this Gog war (Rev 10:1's 'rainbow' after the 'flood'). The 'sanctuary' is what the horn is building (the house of God').

Gog attacks (Locusts of 5th Trumpet) (Ezek 38-39)

Gog destroyed (6th Trumpet at Rev 9:13-21) (Ezek 38-39)

Little Horn confirms the covenant of peace and builds God's house. (2 Witnesses 1260 days) (Ezek 37) (Ezek 40-44) (compare Ezek 37:23 with Revelation 9:20-21)

Little Horn defiles God's house/ breaks the covenant. (7th Trumpet)

Little Horn killed at the 6th Bowl war/ Armageddon.

Because the 'Day of the Lord' was the first year (5 months + 7 months cleanup), the subsequent defiling at the 7th Trumpet is 'after the Day of the Lord' - which is 'after the 1000 years' because 1 day of the Lord is equal to 1000 years in 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[Timtofly]

Tim, you lost me. What is the point you are trying to make?

We are talking about a major conflict in the ME that was brushed under the rug as a Syrian civil war. Perhaps many have been deceived about actually what did go on over there, and what was done to prevent Israel getting involved and starting a nuclear war?

Google and see all the the nations that were active in that conflict. Do you think that was just a dress rehearsal? By the end even Turkey was threatening to expand her border south towards Israel. King of the north?

 

[Douggg]

We are talking about a major conflict in the ME that was brushed under the rug as a Syrian civil war. Perhaps many have been deceived about actually what did go on over there, and what was done to prevent Israel getting involved and starting a nuclear war?

Google and see all the the nations that were active in that conflict. Do you think that was just a dress rehearsal? By the end even Turkey was threatening to expand her border south towards Israel. King of the north?

I don't think it was a dress rehersal, imo.

And although I think Turkey will be involved in the Gog/Magog event, the king of the north, imo, will be Russia.

Before Gog/Magog takes place, what I am looking for some sort ten leader defensive group develop in the EU, with the little horn person emerging as the leader over them. We just need to keep our eyes open to see how things materialize.

 

[Timtofly]

I don't think it was a dress rehersal, imo.

And although I think Turkey will be involved in the Gog/Magog event, the king of the north, imo, will be Russia.

Before Gog/Magog takes place, what I am looking for some sort ten leader defensive group develop in the EU, with the little horn person emerging as the leader over them. We just need to keep our eyes open to see how things materialize.

So you are not pointing out all the nations involved in this hushed up war?

 

[Douggg]

So you are not pointing out all the nations involved in this hushed up war?

Tim, since it is you who brought up the Syria conflict - then why don't you list them ?

 

[Timtofly]

Tim, since it is you who brought up the Syria conflict - then why don't you list them ?

Would you learn something?

If you posted them, then you would not have to reply to yourself in response.

"Persia (check), Ethiopia (), and Libya (check) with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer (check), and all his bands; the house of Togarmah (check) of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

There were way more nations involved than mentioned in Scripture. But then again there are way more nations in the area today than there were in Ezekiel's day. Literally every nation around Israel, including Israel were involved in the Syrian Civil War.

 

[Douggg]

Would you learn something?

If you posted them, then you would not have to reply to yourself in response.

"Persia (check), Ethiopia (), and Libya (check) with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer (check), and all his bands; the house of Togarmah (check) of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

There were way more nations involved than mentioned in Scripture. But then again there are way more nations in the area today than there were in Ezekiel's day. Literally every nation around Israel, including Israel were involved in the Syrian Civil War.

Tim, I have no way to check the facts of what you are saying. But if you want to view the Syrian Civil War as a dress rehersal to the Gog/Magog event, that's your choice. I do not. It is not worth arguing over.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Tsk, tsk. All of you and your supposition on Gog and Magog are 100 percent incorrect. Working hard to identify favor of the month political nations or allow the world news to interpret God's Word instead of surrendering to God's interpretation.

God and Magog are NOT symbols of Russia, Muslims, Iraq, or African Nations, etc. This is the stuff of Hal Lindsey and other fanciful unbiblical prognosticators. No one who has done their homework in the bible would make such claims. Gog and Magog is a symbol of all the gentiles or nations of the world who assault the camp of saints. ...which is the New Testament Church, not national Israel. It is the exact same nations of the world that God tells us Satan was bound in the first place! So they would not be deceived. At the time of the end, Satan is loosed and those same nations that were prevented from being deceived, are then deceived. They aren't political nations, they weren't prevented from destroying the political congregation of Israel, but the Church that was at Satan's binding, the Israel of God. Thus, being loosed, Satan proceeds to do what he was bound from doing for the millennial reign of the Kingdom on earth. It has nothing to do with political nations whether Israel, Iran or Russia, and it has nothing to do with physical weapons of warfare, famine, or the so-called ten men/kingdom world leaders.

Revelation 20:7-9

• "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

When you discover how Satan was bound so he couldn't deceive the Nations/Gentiles, then you will discover how when he is loosed he does deceive the Nations/Gentiles that they assault the camp of the saints. And the camp of the saints is not the political nation of Israel, but the Church, the only saints on the New Testament side of the cross, all over in the four quarters of the earth. All these ideas about Russia, Iran, and Muslims are the sensationalist rhetoric of those who have very little understanding of scripture, its interpretation (which belongs to God) or prophesy.

Rather than going into details of Ezekiel 38 and 39 for tonight, Gog and Magog are the people of the world who PROFESS to be Christians and yet deny the doctrine of Christ that was once delivered to the Saints. They are the army of false christs and prophets, led by the spirit of antichrist to come up INTO THE Camp of the Saints and deceive the unfaithfulness while wearing out the Saints.

It is happening right now if you have spiritual eyes to see.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

In Ezekiel 39 there are two major end times events.

1. Gog/Magog, which takes place when Israel is at peace. This is noted in Ezekiel 38, in the latter days, latter years. Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the destruction of Gog's army. Then the cleanup of the land ending in verse 16.

2. Armageddon, which takes place when Israel is in great tribulation. Ezekiel 39:17-20, which is the same as Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

The 7 years following Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation.

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I love timelines, they are so easy to disprove. Da:8 is in the brass, then 2300 day cover the 4 Gospels timeline of 7 years.
The abominations in Da:9:27 are done between Jesus dying and Acts:10 as that would be the last day of that time period. The 2300 years can be worked into the 3 1/2 years between God calling John and the death of Jesus. There was a delay as Jesus did not start until John the Baptist was in prison. Another part that might alter the counting of the days as Jesus was an immortal King with 11 of His subjects (11 He Baptized)
The timeline for Da:11 is also based on 3 1/2 years, the two kings are Satan and the Beast, Da:11:31 is when Satan sits on the 2Thess:2 throne. The false throne is the abomination.
Da:11:32 is where the 2nd 3 1/2 begins. It is the witness of the two witnesses from the time they arrive in Jerusalem until the last verse about the tents is Satan's temple that has to be built in the few days the two witness are dead in the street.
The Da:11 passage includes the first few verses in Da:12 as well. They are referencing Re:10 and the Book of Life, as well as the people only included in the Re:20:4 resurrection verse.

In support of my claim, God is associated with covenants in the same passage 9:27 comes from (2 verses)
Draft version.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Would you learn something?

If you posted them, then you would not have to reply to yourself in response.

"Persia (check), Ethiopia (), and Libya (check) with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer (check), and all his bands; the house of Togarmah (check) of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

There were way more nations involved than mentioned in Scripture. But then again there are way more nations in the area today than there were in Ezekiel's day. Literally every nation around Israel, including Israel were involved in the Syrian Civil War.

. . . and if Russia makes Brussel hoists Moscow's flag then what?
No NATO, no unlimited funding from the IMF or whoever. I promised I would tone down the copy/paste parts. Russia is under attack, they didn't start the attack, they will easily achieve all of their goals. If you really want to support a war against a superpower, . . . or two, based on some Rabbi taught in 'a questionable learning centre' be my guest. I would say more if this was a political thread, it is a doctrine thread.
I cannot resist this topic for reasons explained below:
Mal:4:5-6:
Behold,
I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Elijah would qualify as 1 of the 24 Elders in the Re:4 Temple and they will have thrones on earth by the end of the same day the two witnesses are resurrected. Before them will stand the while House of Israel, the Eze:37 group that is resurrected from the grave as the last event of the day the two witnesses, the ones that survive the first 6 trumps join them and the Church stops by once a year for a yearly feast of the tabernacles from Zec:14. The lessons being taught to the recently gathered by Jesus and the 24 Elders would be how Temple service goes in a world without sin. The 10 Commandments cover a world in sin, that is why Abel’s offering was accepted, the 1,000 years is when Cain’s offering will be accepted and it will remain that way in the new earth era. The law from Re:21 is the law that covers immortals. What people learn during the 1,000 years (no marriages so the population is a static population) means they remain alive when God sends all sinful immortals, like Satan and the remaining fallen angels, to the fiery lake.

Ezekiel:38 and the Gog war. Ezekiel:38 is for the 1,000 year reign and the 'battle' that comes when Satan and all remaining fallen angels in the Pit are released and joined by the ones whose bones are buried in a graveyard in Israel in Ezekiel:39.

The people that are there at the end of the chapter are the ones at the start of the chapter that complete the 7 year clean-up and the 7 months of gathering some bones and burying them in a special graveyard that has the name Gog attached to it. The bones belong to the 4 fallen angels that manifest into the 200M horsemen and it is by these being that the 12 Tribes are brought down to being just the 144,000. By the evening of the day Jesus returns and kills all sinners the whole House of Israel will be alive and standing in Israel.

If Gog does not exist until 7 years into the 1,000 year reign then they cannot be in a war at the start because part of the vials is the river of blood and that is the death of those angelic horsemen. There are a few clues in Eze:38 that it is the 1,000 years such as Jerusalem is an unwalled city during that time and it is only during that time that the people are living in safety for the first time. An earlier reference to Damascus being part of prophecy that you believe is happening either means you are working off materials somebody has handed you or you missed more than a passage or two of Scripture. The bones of men that dies as part of the return do not have their bones gathered and placed in the City of Gog.

Carry on poking Russians, or Syria, or anybody and the war crimes charges will be a very long list, much longer than the one that already exists.