Extinction or Joy?

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

façon vous aussi!

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, this is bhmste's blind spot. It's common amongst ex-Roman Catholics (who were nominal, not spiritual) John 3.

Predictable.

When in doubt, call the other person who disagrees with you blind.

 

[juvenissun]

I assume you believe God created man correct?

So, if Ford is responsible when they design and build a car that blows up when it is struck from behind, why wouldn't God be responsible for creating the flaws in man?

A smart car is not a man. I thought you have been hanging around here long enough to know that.

 

[bhsmte]

A smart car is not a man. I thought you have been hanging around here long enough to know that.

Would this mean you can't answer the question?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

<edit> some people, are not comfortable believing in something they can not reconcile with reality.

'....with [their version of] reality.'

Unless by 'some people' you are referring to some of the greatest minds in human history -- and we'll have to include Jesus in there too, right? , what is your version of reality?

 

[Davian]

'....with [their version of] reality.'

Unless by 'some people' you are referring to some of the greatest minds in human history -- and we'll have to include Jesus in there too, right?

Sure. Name one that could demonstrate that the Jesus character in the bible was reality.

what is your version of reality?

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Sure. Name one that could demonstrate that the Jesus character in the bible was reality.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick

Firstly, do you think that you need to answer bhmste's question -- because you are somehow his savior?
Secondly, do you really think that this is best sort of question, you want to ask someone who actually has the data?
Thirdly, if you've been paying attention (instead of trying to impress your children) -- you'd have noticed that I don't rely upon (a) the historical arguments (both biblical and secular books, or NDE claims - refer: Dr. Gary Habermas) for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, or upon the (b) apologetic arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible. (refer: Dr. William Lane-Craig)

As already discussed, I place my confidence in prayer and "light" reading of sacred texts and others.
Now that I've made my position clear (read the previous sentence, just in case you forgot) this is how a Christian who is a historicist might do it:

Not!

Seeing as you've decided to take this line (not a wise move, unless you want to be among fellow Jesus Mythers -- an ever diminishing population of deluded individuals), we have another difficulty. Before we head off into the obvious stuff, which historians get all excited about : 'evidence' based arguments or those like WLC who engages in Philosophical arguments (for the existence of God etc.) -- I've one tiny question for you:

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW?

I.O.W. Which of the four best describes your position:

1. Absolutism
2. Relativism
3. Postmodernism
4. Skepticism

 

[bhsmte]

Firstly, do you think that you need to answer bhmste's question -- because you are somehow his savior?
Secondly, do you really think that this is best sort of question, you want to ask someone who actually has the data?
Thirdly, if you've been paying attention (instead of trying to impress your children) -- you'd have noticed that I don't rely upon (a) the historical arguments (both biblical and secular books, or NDE claims - refer: Dr. Gary Habermas) for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, or upon the (b) apologetic arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible. (refer: Dr. William Lane-Craig)

As already discussed, I place my confidence in prayer and "light" reading of sacred texts and others.
Now that I've made my position clear (read the previous sentence, just in case you forgot) this is how a Christian who is a historicist might do it:

Not!

Seeing as you've decided to take this line (not a wise move, unless you want to be among fellow Jesus Mythers -- an ever diminishing population of deluded individuals), we have another difficulty. Before we head off into the obvious stuff, which historians get all excited about : 'evidence' based arguments or those like WLC who engages in Philosophical arguments (for the existence of God etc.) -- I've one tiny question for you:

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW?

I.O.W. Which of the four best describes your position:

1. Absolutism
2. Relativism
3. Postmodernism
4. Skepticism

I gravitate towards accepting realities that can be independently confirmed outside of my own subjective perceptions, especially when it comes to important topics such as whether a God exists and other life altering topics.

You see, I desire to believe in as many true things as possible and not believe in as many false things as possible.

Of course, some people may benefit from believing in something that I don't believe in and that is just peachy, if it helps them.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I gravitate towards accepting realities that can be independently confirmed outside of my own subjective perceptions, especially when it comes to important topics such as whether a God exists and other life altering topics.

You see, I desire to believe in as many true things as possible and not believe in as many false things as possible.

Of course, some people may benefit from believing in something that I don't believe in and that is just peachy, if it helps them.

How did you miss this part: '....I.O.W. Which of the four best describes your position: ....' (read more: http://www.christianforums.com/t7860794-7/#post66921578 ) -- it was addressed to 'Davian'

Don't you understand that not everyone thinks the same as you do?

I'll have a look at your comment (when I have time to), but as I'm going to be presenting you with a proper reply (once I'm home) to your initial statement ....

'The human mind is driven by our personal psyche and how that psyche develops and evolves is complex.'
Link: http://www.christianforums.com/t7859732-3/


.... I can just as easy factor in this response which is the reply to my earlier question in this regard. I appreciate it that you've made an attempt at that, but for now I really don't want to try juggle too many balls at the same time.

Waiting for Davian and his family to reply.

 

[bhsmte]

Don't you understand that not everyone thinks the same as you do?

Kind of my point to begin with and I have mentioned many times before in regards to our individual psychological needs and how they impact our beliefs.

As stated, when it comes to important topics, I don't solely rely on my subjective feelings and look for independent outside evidence that is there for all to see and is not reliant on subjective interpretation. Facts and objective evidence, don't go away, just because someone does not like them.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Thank you for elaborating. All duly noted. Not much in this regard is that new to me. I'll shall also be perusing all your posts to this forum and elsewhere, so that I may effectively shake you the old dry bones.

I am actually nearly in transit, and would appreciate it if you found someone else to dialogue with. I don't want to unsubscribe from this thread, but your posts are not really something I can engage right now.

Kindly,
lewiscalledhimmaster.

Kind of my point to begin with and I have mentioned many times before in regards to our individual psychological needs and how they impact our beliefs.

As stated, when it comes to important topics, I don't solely rely on my subjective feelings and look for independent outside evidence that is there for all to see and is not reliant on subjective interpretation. Facts and objective evidence, don't go away, just because someone does not like them.

 

[bhsmte]

Thank you for elaborating. All duly noted. Not much in this regard is that new to me. I'll also be perusing all your posts to this forum and elsewhere so that I may effectively shake you the old dry bones.
I am actually nearly in transit, and would appreciate it if you found someone else to dialogue with. I don't want to unsubscribe from this thread, but your posts are not really something I can engage right now.

Kindly,
lewiscalledhimmaster.

Could you clarify the meaning of what I have bolded above.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Could you clarify the meaning of what I have bolded above.

It's a voodoo term, or ancient witch doctors type of curse that one puts on demons. Don't worry, it won't hurt.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm trying to sleep.

 

[bhsmte]

It's a voodoo term, or ancient witch doctors type of curse that one puts on demons. Don't worry, it won't hurt.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm trying to sleep.

Why in your mind, would that be necessary?

Trying to sleep? I will give you a tip; turn off your computer.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Why in your mind, would that be necessary?

A good science question. Google it.

 

[Davian]

Firstly, do you think that you need to answer bhmste's question -- because you are somehow his savior?

That would be the "open" part of an "open forum". There is the PM option if you wish to keep this private.

Secondly, do you really think that this is best sort of question, you want to ask someone who actually has the data?

I would, but they do not appear to post here.

Thirdly, if you've been paying attention (instead of trying to impress your children)

lol. It's not just me and mine. Think of all the lurkers that do not even have accounts here, but read these threads. Govern yourself accordingly.

-- you'd have noticed that I don't rely upon (a) the historical arguments (both biblical and secular books, or NDE claims - refer: Dr. Gary Habermas) for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, or upon the (b) apologetic arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible. (refer: Dr. William Lane-Craig)

It's not like all that stuff have not been dragged through these forums at some point.

As already discussed, I place my confidence in prayer and "light" reading of sacred texts and others.

You make it up as you go along.

Now that I've made my position clear (read the previous sentence, just in case you forgot) this is how a Christian who is a historicist might do it:

Not!

Seeing as you've decided to take this line (not a wise move, unless you want to be among fellow Jesus Mythers -- an ever diminishing population of deluded individuals),

Do you find that the insulting of others lends more weight to your arguments?

we have another difficulty. Before we head off into the obvious stuff, which historians get all excited about : 'evidence' based arguments or those like WLC who engages in Philosophical arguments (for the existence of God etc.) -- I've one tiny question for you:

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW?

I.O.W. Which of the four best describes your position:

1. Absolutism
2. Relativism
3. Postmodernism
4. Skepticism

I will not answer that question, as I perceive it as an attempt on your part to put me on the defensive. If you cannot present your data/argument/hypothesis in a manner free of "isms", then I will conclude that your 'bluff and bluster' of 'having the data' was simply that.

 

[bhsmte]

A good science question. Google it.

You like to do science and you brought it up, so why don't you answer it?

 

[High Fidelity]

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