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BBC? Propaganda! Sorry, but I refuse to believe this happened. We must listen instead to the tourism department of Brussels, who tells us "Don't listen to CNN or BBC or anything else":Both the metro system and Brussels airport were the target of apparent terrorist attacks. It's unclear as of now how many victims there are.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254
https://www.rt.com/news/336519-explosions-hit-brussels-airport/
No, duh, it was a criminal action against a military target (assuming the Pentagon is even classed as military, I'm not sure, but isn't it where the US department of defence is centred, i.e. the civilian administrative coordinattion OF the military?)Attacking the Pentagon was a military action. Duh.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, Islamic terrorists killed a hundred westerners last week. That's terrible and tragic. But to put it in context by which to determine an appropriate response, how many Westerners were killed in domestic violence incidents last week? How many were killed in drunk driving accidents last week? Why is terrorism given so much more coverage and hysterical doom saying?Totally. There is a massive lack of proportion in the reporting (UK channels too) which does no-one any good except terrorists.
Perversely, if it was 100 dead around the West* each and every day, it would not be that long before it *wasn't* major news.
News needs to be new, with current mentalities. Much more telling issues that happen to be ongoing find themselves lackng in coverage: attention slips, and is directed to, the spectacular and the novel.
Another factor is the broaching, for many, of illusory perceptions of safety.
This can be traumatic even though little actual change of personal risk has taken place.
And the new perceptions of risk and danger can be even more out of scale to life's actual dangers than the previous ones about safety were.
(the "drunk on a horse" syndrome.)
If we can't get people to see this calmly and sensibly, we'll just have to simulate the effect with distraction by increasing the volume on even more mindless celebrity, fashion, sport and entertainment.
Chris
In the spirit of activism, do you think there is anything we the masses can do to discourage news media from revelling in the bloodshed, thereby furthering the goals of the terrorists?
Stop responding to the news media's "if it bleeds, it leads" paradigm. They have no agenda, they just produce what sells. It's US who are buying.In the spirit of activism, do you think there is anything we the masses can do to discourage news media from revelling in the bloodshed, thereby furthering the goals of the terrorists?
11 persons got banned today from entering the nuclear plant.
Thats right. 11 people with islamist connection worked in a nuclear powerplant in Belgium and are seen as a big enough risk that they get their permission removed to enter their work place.
I guess they aren´t buddhists...
And you know this how? In fact, it is the PKK's real interest in Syria that has to do with their vision for Kurdish expansion (under their rule; they have threatened to kill Kurds who criticize them). I provided you a link by Amnesty before showing that they have been destroying entire villages for no justifiable reason (displacing the Sunni Arab inhabitants). This coupled with the fact that they're changing the names of villages they capture (ethnically Arab) into Kurdish names show what their intent is. Just in case you didn't read about their war crimes:
Again, why? Maybe it's because you only pay attention to the news coming out of mainstream media, but if you were to pay attention to what goes on in the ground, you'd see numerous videos of those Shi'a militias behaving the exact same way or worse as ISIS. The only difference is that they're supported by the West (because they're fighting ISIS) and Assad/allies (because they're fighting Syrian Sunnis) despite their behavior against civilians.
So it shouldn't be so hard to provide evidence of the genocide against Christians in Syria at the hands of Syrian rebels. Of the 56 massacres I mentioned earlier, 1 of those massacres that displayed sectarian tendencies killed a total of 44 people (including 10 Christians). That doesn't sound like a genocide, especially since it wasn't repeated. I wouldn't put genocide past ISIS, but again, that means that the rebels are the best option against them since Assad and ISIS often ignore one another and even benefit from each other.
What about the PKK Syrian branch committing ethnic cleansing? Is that an example of their maturity as a people and their readiness for nationhood?
So it's unacceptable to work with ISIS because they're deluded murderers but it is acceptable to stand with regime/allies even though they have killed far more civilians than ISIS could even dream of killing.
Basically the point of your post seems to be that the threat of a possible genocide against Christians without much evidence is absolutely unacceptable and we cannot back those who you think would commit genocide against them (without proof) BUT an actual genocide against the Sunnis with a lot of evidence is sad, but hey, it happens and we have to embrace the worst option, the one committing genocide, in this conflict because of some warped logic?
I hope you remember that next time someone invokes 5000 dead people from 9/11 being more important than other, non-Muslim initiated attacks with lower body counts.It is not about the body count , it is about the cause.
I hope you remember that next time someone invokes 5000 dead people from 9/11 being more important than other, non-Muslim initiated attacks with lower body counts.
1. why the smilies?
2. isn't that a good thing?
3. are you about ready to admit to being wrong?
BBC? Propaganda! Sorry, but I refuse to believe this happened. We must listen instead to the tourism department of Brussels, who tells us "Don't listen to CNN or BBC or anything else":
But Islam is the source of many if not most injustices in this generation
Violent outrages, the oppression of women, execution of Christians for practising Christianity.... the list is endless.
You mean islamists.
Islam itself is just a religion. The quran is just a book.
More then a billion muslims just go about their business every day.
Why do you single out christians here?
These Islamists, especially those of ISIS, are by no means targetting christians in such a way that it warrants singling them out. They are rather targetting EVERYONE that doesn't belong to their little club. The vast majority of their victims are actually muslims.
I don't see the mere mentioning of Christians as victims of Islamists as singling them out but you are right that "They are rather targetting EVERYONE that doesn't belong to their little club." This actually surprised me (like blowing up a Mosque). It does seem that, at least in the US media and particularly the White House, has failed to notice (or mention) the huge numbers of Christians being killed systematically by Islamists. That said, anyone, regardless of belief, being killed by Islamist terrorists should concern us all.
Columbia’s vigils and memorial services allow us to mourn victims and condemn terrorism. Moving forward, however, they should condemn not only terrorism, but also the specific Islamophobic attitudes and policies that facilitated the recent attacks.
The amount of Christians being killed by IS and alike pales in comparision to the amount of muslims that they have massacred.
The thing is... IS the enemy of EVERYONE that isn't part of IS. Muslims, Christians, Budhists, Hindu's, Atheists,.... EVERYONE.
Erdogans neo-Ottomanism has been commented on for some time.
Not sure what your sources are regarding the Kurdish villages but the houses razed to the ground belonged to members of ISIS and came from Arab, Turkman and even Kurdish backgrounds.
Hezbollah are not as bad as ISIS when it comes to Christians. But overall they are the enemy of our enemy rather than our friend.
And yet the state department disagrees with you and a great many others
They are in a war for their existence against Turks and ISIS and Amnesty never accused them of genocide
It is not about the body count, it is about the cause.
This is an armed insurrection against an incumbent authority you are supportingwhere the revolutionaries are worse than the people they aim to displace killing Shias and Yazidis also with no regard for their humanity also.
Yes Assad has killed more and that is tragic but as I said before it is also a reason in the circumstances to back him. You are more likely to die opposing him than supporting him.
That's not evidence of his "Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion". I had much more evidence of Kurdish expansion as PKK's vision when I told you that they are razing villages, displacing its Arab inhabitants, and changing the names of ethnically Arab villages that they conquer into Kurdish ones. Furthermore, they tried to declare their own Kurdish region of the places they have taken control of (including these previously Arab areas).
I even said in that post that it was Amnesty International (and I've provided the same link once before that). A user on quora defending the YPG (with false information) and blaming the victims does not negate the fact that PKK/affiliates are committing ethnic cleansing. The Amnesty report mentions that there was no justifiable reason for the razing of entire villages and forced displacement to occur (and the quora user even gives another amnesty report which actually contradicts him because it talks about the total demolition of villages as well as forced displacement). Just claiming ISIS was present isn't enough. They can say aliens were inhabiting the entire village and it seems like people would believe them.
The Shi'a militias fighting against ISIS have done things just as bad, if not worse, as ISIS. They behead. They burn civilians alive.
Appeal to authority without any evidence cited by that authority. If genocide against Christians was taking place in Syria, it would be easy to demonstrate how.
On the other hand, I have provided you evidence of how Assad's regime and its allies are committing genocide of the Sunnis. Only the blind or those who do not want to be legally obliged to do anything about it in Syria will deny it. I have also provided evidence of the YPG/affiliates razing entire villages and forcing inhabitants to leave. But you seem to try to ignore these things and play them down despite how well-documented it is.
And how does committing ethnic cleansing against the Arab inhabitants (and even Kurdish ones, including those who disagree with their terrorism) help them in their war for existence? How does their "war for existence" justify their ethnic cleansing?
As for Amnesty, it has accused the YPG/affiliates of war crimes (by razing entire villages and forcibly displacing inhabitants). It also says, "..the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen.."
1.) Please do not dismiss and trivialize the body count. It is an insult to the ~200k civilians dead at the hands of the regime/allies to say "it's not about the body count."
2.) What cause? The cause of a brutal dictator who is only in power by force (and through hilarious sham elections) because his father had a coup and quashed an uprising against him? The cause of wanting to kill the Sunnis of the country? Yeah, not a good cause either.
1.) Which non-combatant Shias and Yazidis are they killing in Syria?
2.) Assad is killing Sunnis with no regard for their humanity.
3.) The majority (~70-80%) of the government's documented victims have been civilians whereas the rebels mainly target the regime/allies (who comprise most of those dead at the hands of the rebels).
That's ridiculous. Would you have advised Jews or Christians against Hitler to support him because you are more likely to die opposing him? Why don't you advise the Christians in Iraq to support ISIS because they are more likely to die opposing it? Or tell the Sunnis (the most capable at stopping ISIS) to stop fighting ISIS because they are more likely to die opposing ISIS than supporting it?
I think the Syrians have shown that they would rather die free after all these years of being slaughtered yet still insisting on his removal.
That's not evidence of his "Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion".
I had much more evidence of Kurdish expansion as PKK's vision when I told you that they are razing villages, displacing its Arab inhabitants, and changing the names of ethnically Arab villages that they conquer into Kurdish ones. Furthermore, they tried to declare their own Kurdish region of the places they have taken control of (including these previously Arab areas).
I even said in that post that it was Amnesty International (and I've provided the same link once before that). A user on quora defending the YPG (with false information) and blaming the victims does not negate the fact that PKK/affiliates are committing ethnic cleansing. The Amnesty report mentions that there was no justifiable reason for the razing of entire villages and forced displacement to occur (and the quora user even gives another amnesty report which actually contradicts him because it talks about the total demolition of villages as well as forced displacement). Just claiming ISIS was present isn't enough. They can say aliens were inhabiting the entire village and it seems like people would believe them.
The Shi'a militias fighting against ISIS have done things just as bad, if not worse, as ISIS. They behead. They burn civilians alive.
Appeal to authority without any evidence cited by that authority. If genocide against Christians was taking place in Syria, it would be easy to demonstrate how.
On the other hand, I have provided you evidence of how Assad's regime and its allies are committing genocide of the Sunnis. Only the blind or those who do not want to be legally obliged to do anything about it in Syria will deny it. I have also provided evidence of the YPG/affiliates razing entire villages and forcing inhabitants to leave. But you seem to try to ignore these things and play them down despite how well-documented it is.
And how does committing ethnic cleansing against the Arab inhabitants (and even Kurdish ones, including those who disagree with their terrorism) help them in their war for existence? How does their "war for existence" justify their ethnic cleansing?
As for Amnesty, it has accused the YPG/affiliates of war crimes (by razing entire villages and forcibly displacing inhabitants). It also says, "..the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen.."
1.) Please do not dismiss and trivialize the body count. It is an insult to the ~200k civilians dead at the hands of the regime/allies to say "it's not about the body count."
2.) What cause? The cause of a brutal dictator who is only in power by force (and through hilarious sham elections) because his father had a coup and quashed an uprising against him? The cause of wanting to kill the Sunnis of the country? Yeah, not a good cause either.
1.) Which non-combatant Shias and Yazidis are they killing in Syria?
2.) Assad is killing Sunnis with no regard for their humanity.
3.) The majority (~70-80%) of the government's documented victims have been civilians whereas the rebels mainly target the regime/allies (who comprise most of those dead at the hands of the rebels).
That's ridiculous. Would you have advised Jews or Christians against Hitler to support him because you are more likely to die opposing him? Why don't you advise the Christians in Iraq to support ISIS because they are more likely to die opposing it? Or tell the Sunnis (the most capable at stopping ISIS) to stop fighting ISIS because they are more likely to die opposing ISIS than supporting it?
I think the Syrians have shown that they would rather die free after all these years of being slaughtered yet still insisting on his removal.
You seem to be living in denial about Erdogans delusions of grandeur. Even Al Jazeera has commentated on this and upon its harmful effects:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...-neo-ottoman-travesty-201451974314589207.html
The rebuttal by quora included a lot of evidence that you seem to have ignored - for example interviews with people Amnesty cited as victims that were clear members of ISIS or Turkman organisations antagonistic to the Kurds.
Regarding the one village where the majority of houses were razed to the ground leaving only 14 standing the Amnesty report made no mention of Syrian air strikes or combat between opposing armies which would have produced the same effect.
Amnesty International visited the village of Husseiniya in the Tel Hamees countryside in early August and saw that all but one of the village’s approximately 90 homes had been demolished. One former resident told Amnesty International that she was in her home when the YPG demolished it with a bulldozer. While she was allowed to flee, she was not allowed to take out her belongings. Other displaced residents told Amnesty International that they returned to Husseiniya after the YPG took control of the village to find their homes razed to the ground. They all told Amnesty International that the Administration did not provide them compensation or alternative housing, and that they were not allowed to rebuild their homes.
Local activists told Amnesty International that other villages under the control of the Administration were similarly razed, including villages south of Suluk such as Asaylem and Mushayrfa. One activist said that homes in Akrasha and Safana, in the Tel Hamees countryside, were similarly burnt down in July 2015. A resident from Asaylem village, 35 kilometres south of Suluk, told Amnesty International that he saw YPG forces demolish 100 of 103 homes after taking control of the village in June 2015. He explained that without prior notice YPG forces asked residents to leave their homes for their own security, saying that people would be allowed to return in three days. Instead of allowing returns, the YPG demolished their homes. Villagers were not provided any compensation or alternative housing, and have not been allowed to rebuild their homes.
Noone died in these incidents and they are not remotely comparable to the mass executions of ISIS which are clearly documented. Indeed as ISIS is steadily being defeated and their territory is receding we can now uncover such mass graves.
Take for example this mass grave in which the bodies of beheaded men and women have been discovered. It amazes me that any Muslim let alone sane person could support these people when the evidence against them demonstrates that they are murderers and massacre the innocent with the guilty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-found-after-isis-driven-out-of-a6964856.html
Evidence for that seems rather scant and seems to defy the basic discussion within Hezbollah itself as to whether they should be involved in this fight. Any way I am not endorsing Hezbollah so it is a rather mute point.
You are living in denial on this one:
http://stopthechristiangenocide.org/scg/en/resources/Genocide-report.pdf
Assad has also committed atrocities. But he is the incumbent authority and there is little evidence to suggest that had ISIS the resources he has to bring to play that they would not have killed even more. This is a revolution. People on the revolutionary side are always more likely to die
Noone died - this is not genocide or even ethnic cleansing and also the report has many flaws as quora demonstrated and you ignored.
There is so much evidence for this I am surprised you can even ask the question with a straight face
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...sing.to.fast.during.ramadan.sorcery/57807.htm
So stop fighting against the Syrian government and maybe he will stop killing you
There is no way to produce such a % when human shielding, civilian clothing for combatants, use of children as suicide bombers and support for the ISIS fighters seems to extend so thoroughly into what you describe as the civilian community. Every death is a tragedy and this is why the fighting must stop. If ISIS win the fighting will engulf the whole world. If Assad wins it will be mainly contained within Syria and dealt with there.
You are not comparing like for like. These people are fighting for a false ideology that will leave them worse off than they are currently.
If you actually talked to people who have escaped IS you would know what I mean!!!
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