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[Saleena]

Everything is racism.

But specifically this kind of racism. It's not the cutesy Archie Bunker racism. This is more malevolent.

 

[PatrickT]

it gets better and better. Looks like ISIS members even work in belgian nuclear power plants. One of them named Ilyass Boughalab was even sued for islamist support and still worked in the powerplant of Doel. He then left for syria to fight with ISIS and was killed there.

Nice detail, Doel was sabotaged recently. 65.000 litre oil were manually removed and the main turbine failed. the core had an emergency shut down.

Im not even angry anymore. I can only laugh about this.

 

[mindlight]

Maybe Turkey takes acceding the Genocide Convention seriously and thinks of genocide (especially on its border) as a bigger threat. Furthermore, the regime/allies have been targeting Syrian Turkmen.

Turkeys real interest in Syria is to do with Erdogans Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion. The biggest block to the expansion of Turkish influence and trade in the middle east has been an intransigent Assad regime. ISIS are so obviously beyond the pale that he figures he can deal with them when Assad is gone and with the full support of allies he has frustrated up until now. The Russian and Iranian intervention changed the situation however and the Assad regime is now in a stronger negotiating position

Whatever their roots the PKK are not Marxists now ( is anybody?!). I see the Kurdish struggle for their own self determination in terms of the wider collection of Kurdish groups and especially the situation of the Iraqi Kurds. Turkey is the main block to Kurdish nationhood and this is an injustice.

Why are they a different kind of problem? Whatever ISIS has done, Shi'a militias in Iraq and Syria have done the exact same, if not worse. They burn entire families alive, they behead people, and I've seen a video of them cutting off the ear of a living, conscious man (and I think that's the video where he also ate that ear).

Both Sunni Salafist Jihadis and Shia terrorists are murderers with a false religion. They kill and die for a cause that gives no hope of redemption. If anything my impression after the various ISIS atrocities is that the Shias are slightly better behaved.

Kerry saying that there is a genocide of Christians in Syria does not make it so. There was no proof mentioned in the article. And if it's referring to ISIS committing a genocide, Assad pretty much ignores ISIS. The rebels are the ones who fight ISIS. So really what should be said is that the rebels are protecting Christians.

The state department took its own sweet time to come to this conclusion but executions on you tube, declarations of intent and innumerable testimonies to this effect cannot be ignored.

1.) Christians (the leadership, at least) are not the powerless victims in Syria. The church actively sides with the regime, thus being complicit in the genocide of the Sunnis. Yet you say that it's just something normal for genocide against the Sunnis to take place.

2.) One side is the one that committed the most evil. The regime/allies killed about 200,000 of the documented civilian casualties (96% of the total documented civilian casualties). Yet it seems like you're proposing ignoring this because Assad supposedly protects Christians (even though he essentially ignores ISIS)?

fyi, please read about Ayman Abdulnour (a Christian): A close university friend of Bashar al-Assad, Ayman Abdulnour served as an adviser to al-Assad during the years he was being groomed for the Syrian presidency following the unexpected death of his brother in 1994....Last year, Abdulnour founded Syrian Christians for Peace, a pro-opposition humanitarian organization that distributes aid inside Syria. The group’s work also counters the regime-led narrative that Christians support the regime. He denounces the regime’s manipulation of Syrian Christians’ fears of strict Muslim rule in Syria

He said:

‘Christians are active participants in the Syrian revolution’ – Ayman Abdulnour

What is evil and which side should you pick when each side is merely a different flavour of it?

The free Syrian army looked like a possibility but they were not backed strongly enough when the moment was right. ISIS are just deluded murderers and Christians cannot work with them. The Kurds have helped Christians providing safe haven for Iraqi Christians - another example of their maturity as a people and their readiness for nationhood. But they cannot win the whole of Syria. Al Nusra...lol!! So the only devil on our side who stands a reasonable chance is Assad. Right is not measured by the number of people you lose but rather by your cause. That those who oppose Assad are more likely die than those who do not is, in the circumstances, a reason to support him. There is not really any other viable option on the table however much any sane person would want there to be!

 

[zephyrWiccan]

Why do you say that?

America is the reason that ISIS exists.

 

[nightflight]

But specifically this kind of racism. It's not the cutesy Archie Bunker racism. This is more malevolent.

It exists only in the minds of people who don't have an argument, but want to say something.

Especially too when you consider that Islam is not a race.

 

[TerranceL]

America is the reason that ISIS exists.

Not at all.

Don't get me wrong, the United States and our allies destabilized the area but at no point did we remove the agency of the locals and somehow force them to create a terrorist group.

I can only wonder who you would be blaming ISIS on if Saddams regime had fallen to a coup d'é·tat?

Westerners history of destabilzing the area for their own reasons goes back long before America got on the scene.

 

[Saleena]

It exists only in the minds of people who don't have an argument, but want to say something.

Especially too when you consider that Islam is not a race.

You are so edgy mmmm. That being said, it's a pretty little wordy cop out you've oozed out here but consider this, I am just going to say it. People here aren't smart enough to think of the white radical muslims. They are thinking of the brown ones. Don't try to pretend otherwise guy. You are jaded enough to know I'm right here. Isis though? They looooooove their white radicals. They do. They love them so much they make sure their token white kids are in all the shots for their magazine. Because it sells.

Just like the fear of brown people in a white country bombing things. And if you guys just wanna feed into that, sure feed into that hatred. Make the muslims who haven't done anything feel like they have no where else to run but ISIS. 1.6 billion people feeling victimized can't hurt us right?

 

[nightflight]

Also to me, 9/11 was the bait and the west took it, it achieved what the Islamists wanted, we fell straight into a trap.

What would have been an appropriate reaction to 9/11?

 

[nightflight]

You are so edgy mmmm.

If by "edgy" you mean correct then yeah. So edgy.

That being said, it's a pretty little wordy cop out you've oozed out here but consider this,
I am just going to say it. People here aren't smart enough to think of the white radical muslims. They are thinking of the brown ones.

Projection.

Don't try to pretend otherwise guy. You are jaded enough to know I'm right here.

I'm sane enough to know you're desperate here.

Isis though? They looooooove their white radicals. They do. They love them so much they make sure their token white kids are in all the shots for their magazine. Because it sells.

I have no idea what you are talking about here; I don't really feel I'm missing anything.

Just like the fear of brown people in a white country bombing things. And if you guys just wanna feed into that, sure feed into that hatred. Make the muslims who haven't done anything feel like they have no where else to run but ISIS. 1.6 billion people feeling victimized can't hurt us right?

To sum up your post; raaaaaaacism!

Must be a day that end in "Y".

Grip. Get.

 

[DogmaHunter]

it gets better and better. Looks like ISIS members even work in belgian nuclear power plants. One of them named Ilyass Boughalab was even sued for islamist support and still worked in the powerplant of Doel.

That is some serious misinformation.
He started working there in 2009. He resigned in oktober 2012. He most likely radicalised in silence during the summer of 2012 and left for Syria in November.

He was never sued during his work in the power plant. His name came up in another terrorist court case concerning, at which point he was allready in Syria.

I can only laugh about this.

That is so sick.

 

[PatrickT]

That is some serious misinformation.
He started working there in 2009. He resigned in oktober 2012. He most likely radicalised in silence during the summer of 2012 and left for Syria in November.

He was never sued during his work in the power plant. His name came up in another terrorist court case concerning, at which point he was allready in Syria.


That is so sick.

You are wrong. he was sued because he belonged to banned group "Shariah4belgium". He left for syria in 2014.

You should also not forget that in August 2014 in the nuclear power plant of Doel someone manually sabotaged the main turbine. The result was a broken main turbine and an emergency shut down of the reactor.

They let ISIS members work in their nuclear power plants out of political correctness.

 

[PatrickT]

You are so edgy mmmm. That being said, it's a pretty little wordy cop out you've oozed out here but consider this, I am just going to say it. People here aren't smart enough to think of the white radical muslims. They are thinking of the brown ones. Don't try to pretend otherwise guy. You are jaded enough to know I'm right here. Isis though? They looooooove their white radicals. They do. They love them so much they make sure their token white kids are in all the shots for their magazine. Because it sells.

Just like the fear of brown people in a white country bombing things. And if you guys just wanna feed into that, sure feed into that hatred. Make the muslims who haven't done anything feel like they have no where else to run but ISIS. 1.6 billion people feeling victimized can't hurt us right?

No it can´t. Our technological advancement is so much overpowering them that it would be like children birthday. In fact it would make it more easy if we divide them out and create internal security.

 

[Armoured]

it gets better and better. Looks like ISIS members even work in belgian nuclear power plants. One of them named Ilyass Boughalab was even sued for islamist support and still worked in the powerplant of Doel. He then left for syria to fight with ISIS and was killed there.

Nice detail, Doel was sabotaged recently. 65.000 litre oil were manually removed and the main turbine failed. the core had an emergency shut down.

Im not even angry anymore. I can only laugh about this.

"Islamist support" is something you can be sued for?

 

[Armoured]

What would have been an appropriate reaction to 9/11?

Civil police action and criminal prosecutiob. I say this with 20/20 hindsight, but there it is.

 

[PatrickT]

"Islamist support" is something you can be sued for?

yes. In France you can even lose your citizenship for it.

You have a problem with this?

 

[Armoured]

yes. In France you can even lose your citizenship for it.

You have a problem with this?

I'm going to assume there's a translation issue here.

 

[Oafman]

yes. In France you can even lose your citizenship for it.

You have a problem with this?

Only if someone has dual citizenship. It is against international law to make someone stateless.

 

[PatrickT]

Only if someone has dual citizenship. It is against international law to make someone stateless.

Just as we speak Mossul is attacked. The only thing for certain is, that they will suffer far more than anything they did.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...angriff-auf-is-hochburg-mossul-a-1083952.html

Add the news that Idomeni gets stormed and the inhabitants brought into the deportation hot zone camps it sounds like a good day.

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

America is the reason that ISIS exists.

Would you clarify?

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Turkeys real interest in Syria is to do with Erdogans Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion.

And you know this how? In fact, it is the PKK's real interest in Syria that has to do with their vision for Kurdish expansion (under their rule; they have threatened to kill Kurds who criticize them). I provided you a link by Amnesty before showing that they have been destroying entire villages for no justifiable reason (displacing the Sunni Arab inhabitants). This coupled with the fact that they're changing the names of villages they capture (ethnically Arab) into Kurdish names show what their intent is. Just in case you didn't read about their war crimes:

“By deliberately demolishing civilian homes, in some cases razing and burning entire villages, displacing their inhabitants with no justifiable military grounds, the Autonomous Administration is abusing its authority and brazenly flouting international humanitarian law, in attacks that amount to war crimes,” said Lama Fakih, Senior Crisis Advisor at Amnesty International.

“In its fight against IS, the Autonomous Administration appears to be trampling all over the rights of civilians who are caught in the middle. We saw extensive displacement and destruction that did not occur as a result of fighting. This report uncovers clear evidence of a deliberate, co-ordinated campaign of collective punishment of civilians in villages previously captured by IS, or where a small minority were suspected of supporting the group.”

Some civilians said they were threatened with US-led coalition airstrikes if they failed to leave.

If anything my impression after the various ISIS atrocities is that the Shias are slightly better behaved.

Again, why? Maybe it's because you only pay attention to the news coming out of mainstream media, but if you were to pay attention to what goes on in the ground, you'd see numerous videos of those Shi'a militias behaving the exact same way or worse as ISIS. The only difference is that they're supported by the West (because they're fighting ISIS) and Assad/allies (because they're fighting Syrian Sunnis) despite their behavior against civilians.

The state department took its own sweet time to come to this conclusion but executions on you tube, declarations of intent and innumerable testimonies to this effect cannot be ignored.

So it shouldn't be so hard to provide evidence of the genocide against Christians in Syria at the hands of Syrian rebels. Of the 56 massacres I mentioned earlier, 1 of those massacres that displayed sectarian tendencies killed a total of 44 people (including 10 Christians). That doesn't sound like a genocide, especially since it wasn't repeated. I wouldn't put genocide past ISIS, but again, that means that the rebels are the best option against them since Assad and ISIS often ignore one another and even benefit from each other.

The Kurds have helped Christians providing safe haven for Iraqi Christians - another example of their maturity as a people and their readiness for nationhood.

What about the PKK Syrian branch committing ethnic cleansing? Is that an example of their maturity as a people and their readiness for nationhood?

So the only devil on our side who stands a reasonable chance is Assad.

So it's unacceptable to work with ISIS because they're deluded murderers but it is acceptable to stand with regime/allies even though they have killed far more civilians than ISIS could even dream of killing.

Basically the point of your post seems to be that the threat of a possible genocide against Christians without much evidence is absolutely unacceptable and we cannot back those who you think would commit genocide against them (without proof) BUT an actual genocide against the Sunnis with a lot of evidence is sad, but hey, it happens and we have to embrace the worst option, the one committing genocide, in this conflict because of some warped logic?