Explaining the God particle

[dad]

Since space is merely defined as a extent, by definition without boundaries, it cannot be 'different' in the sense that you are asking; it can either be, or not be.

False. That is not how it is defined.

"Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction."...

Space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Objects!!! In other words physical objects. Space where the spirit beings would dwell, one assumes would involve more than that! Yes, space can be different, and is far from 'boundless' in the temporal earth zone manner we know it.

It is our definition of the extent of what we see, not a predefined thing we went..."ooh, look, "space"!

No wonder your conceptual strength is so small then I guess.

We define it. If you want to say something else exists beyond the fishbowl, it is not space, it is not part of the extent, but part of another extent...

Bingo. In other words you do not know. You heave merely assumed space to be the same and time/space and laws. Everything coming in the fishbowl you interpret that way.

The problem is, it looks an awful lot like the space in the fishbowl. Exactly like it, in fact!

Very funny. How would you claim space 'looks'?

 

[Tiberius]

Nope, not even close. I do not even acknowledge that relativity is the whole cause for the time change in clocks in airplanes that was seen.

Then why did you claim it explained that it was responsible for why things far away look different?

I am suggesting science does not so much as know what time IS let alone what time it is in deep space! Forget getting fancy with how time is woven into the fabric of space/time far away...that is above the pay grade of lowly earth state science.

In other words, you;re guessing.

Really, dad, you're like a little two year old having a temper tantrum when you don't get your favorite toy to play with.

 

[dad]

Then why did you claim it explained that it was responsible for why things far away look different?

It might be part of the explanation. Unless time on earth passed the same way and rate and etc as time far far away, then we cannot use the earth clock beyond the earth zone.

 

[Tiberius]

Nope, doesn't work.

Besides, if we see things happening faster then the speed they are really happening, then at some point we'd be seeing the future of whatever we are looking at.

Doesn't work, you can't make it work, same state is the only explanation.

 

[dad]

Nope, doesn't work.

That remains to be seen.

Besides, if we see things happening faster then the speed they are really happening, then at some point we'd be seeing the future of whatever we are looking at.

Who says you aren't? Whatever we see it is what God wants. I don't think that seeing time in our fishbowl as we can see it and know it, really affects how it was far away.

 

[Tiberius]

That remains to be seen.

No, it has already been seen, and if you actually knew anything about science, you'd see it too.

Who says you aren't? Whatever we see it is what God wants. I don't think that seeing time in our fishbowl as we can see it and know it, really affects how it was far away.

If stuff from the future is coming into the past (such as light reflected by the object in the future), then it has to travel faster than light, which is impossible!

You are wrong, defeated once again!

Don't argue with reality, dad, you'll lose every single time.

 

[dad]

No, it has already been seen, and if you actually knew anything about science, you'd see it too.

If we wanted a revival meeting a science forum would not be the place we would look. Nothing about deep time and space is seen here from you.

If stuff from the future is coming into the past (such as light reflected by the object in the future), then it has to travel faster than light, which is impossible!

How drool. Our fishbowl speed limits are a joke compared to the speeds of spiritual beings.

Don't argue with reality, dad, you'll lose every single time.

Hey, don't make out like you are or were ever even mildly acquainted with it. Science is lobotomized from most aspects of reality and is relegated to the domain of the bowl.


Time, they know not. Space they know not...save our earth zone space.



"Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction."...

Space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a pathetic little pipe dream.

 

[Tiberius]

Dad, learn about science. Everything you say is wrong.

 

[dad]

Dad, learn about science. Everything you say is wrong.

Dismissed. What man knows and what you thought he knew obviously cannot connect in any time/space.

 

[Tiberius]

Give it up, dad, you have nothing and your overly grand claims aren't fooling anyone.

You. Have. Nothing.

You've never had anything and you never will. You just dismiss anything that contradicts you out of hand without bothering to understand it, and you never provide any evidence to support your own position, instead saying that since you dismiss evidence that disagrees with you, there is no evidence that disagrees with you.

You're like the child who closes their eyes to make the scary monsters go away. You have nothing but immaturity.

 

[dad]

.. there is no evidence that disagrees with you.
..

True. Nor any that agrees with your fantasy state.

The fishbowl field is as far as the Higgs field could hope for. Personally, I have my doubts even about that.

Remember this that time is not known or space, by men and their science.

Here is a look at the sort of depth they have on comprehending space for example.


"Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction."...

Space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tiberius]

True. Nor any that agrees with your fantasy state.

The fishbowl field is as far as the Higgs field could hope for. Personally, I have my doubts even about that.

Remember this that time is not known or space, by men and their science.

Here is a look at the sort of depth they have on comprehending space for example.


"Space is the boundless, three-dimensional extent in which objects and events occur and have relative position and direction."...

Space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you actually do this?

You QUOTE MINED me? And then addressed the mined quote BACK TO ME?

And you did it LESS THAN TEN MINUTES AFTER I FIRST POSTED IT?

Are you insane?

I said that you claim there is no evidence to disagree with you because you handwave it all away!

Geez, dad, learn to read! I've seen three year olds with better comprehension skills than you!

You have nothing to support your position other than the fact that you just really want it to be true. Science has all of reality to support it, so give it up. You're fighting a battle you'll never win.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science has all of reality to support it,

What part of reality failed science that produced six different scientific theories as to how we got our moon? or are theories a part of your reality?

 

[AECellini]

What part of reality failed science that produced six different scientific theories as to how we got our moon? or are theories a part of your reality?

regardless of how many theories science comes up with regarding the moon, they'll be infinitesimally better than blindly accepting that god did it.

 

[AV1611VET]

regardless of how many theories science comes up with regarding the moon, they'll be infinitesimally better than blindly accepting that god did it.

So quantity doesn't matter?

 

[davidbilby]

"Dad", since you ignored these questions prior, lets reiterate:

You said "the different state past is original".
Since you have no evidence that a different state past even exists - you cannot know it out of your fishbowl or out of ours - so how could you judge its originality?

What evidence do you have beyond your own assertions that anything else exists beyond your own "Dad" fishbowl?

(NB. just to remind you...this is not what I personally believe but the only logical extension of what you believe - you're the one arbitrarily setting the boundaries of what we can know and what we can't know, so if you're upset that someone else can then arbitrarily move that boundary to show you how silly the idea is...not my problem!)

What proof do you have, again, that the Bible is anything other than a figment of your own imagination? You are in the "Dad" fishbowl, remember; your observations can only conform to your fishbowl.

Do you have any evidence, to the same standard of evidence that you ask for when you ask for evidence of a same state past, that anything exists beyond the "Dad" fishbowl?

If you say we cannot know what is in deep space, I can say with equal (only equal, mind you) authority that you equally cannot know for sure what is outside of your own mind, and maybe not even that.

 

[davidbilby]

So quantity doesn't matter?

Why would the quantity of theories matter in the slightest? There are sometimes multiple theories in a murder investigation: would this invalidate and degrade detective work as an entire field? Should we shut down the criminal justice system because the possibility for competing, as yet unresolved ideas exists?

 

[dad]

Did you actually do this?

You QUOTE MINED me? And then addressed the mined quote BACK TO ME?

And you did it LESS THAN TEN MINUTES AFTER I FIRST POSTED IT?

Are you insane?

I said that you claim there is no evidence to disagree with you because you handwave it all away!

Geez, dad, learn to read! I've seen three year olds with better comprehension skills than you!

You have nothing to support your position other than the fact that you just really want it to be true. Science has all of reality to support it, so give it up. You're fighting a battle you'll never win.

I cannot lose even if I try actually. Not sure why evos sometimes refer to deep space as supporting you, yet cannot deal with the basics. For example I gave some of the definition of space, and how it is conceived as 3 dimensional, etc.

When dealing with the topic of the God particle and associated Higgs field, one actually cannot avoid the issue.

 

[dad]

You said "the different state past is original".
Since you have no evidence that a different state past even exists - you cannot know it out of your fishbowl or out of ours - so how could you judge its originality?

No sense wasting time on the different state past originator. If you are new, it is humble little old me.

What evidence do you have beyond your own assertions that anything else exists beyond your own "Dad" fishbowl?

Doesn't matter. The extent of science knowledge is what matters here. If the forum section were just Christian, perhaps we could explore angels and demons and falling to earth, marrying humans, windows of heaven and etc etc. No need here. Once you fail to be able to prove via science that earth rules must apply, you become like Buzz Lightyear...a joke.

What proof do you have, again, that the Bible is anything other than a figment of your own imagination? You are in the "Dad" fishbowl, remember; your observations can only conform to your fishbowl.

The bible and last week are well known. If you can't accept them this is not the place to 'debate'.

If you say we cannot know what is in deep space, I can say with equal (only equal, mind you) authority that you equally cannot know for sure what is outside of your own mind, and maybe not even that.

Nope. Man actually does know some things. There are stars etc. What the issue is would be what they are and how far and such things. Not whether a universe far from earth exists. The cosmic ladder is useless as it turns out, and is wholly an extension of the present state earth belief system imposed onto the sky.

 

[davidbilby]

No sense wasting time on the different state past originator. If you are new, it is humble little old me.

Not so much, no. I mean, in the sense that your point of view is ill thought out and irrational, nobody usual touts that as a virtue so there you may be original, but your philosophical position is nothing new. It's essentially limited undetermination.

That you've set an arbitrary physical and temporal limitation on the boundaries of human knowledge because of a dusty old book doesn't alter that. Solipsism (a concept long around - not one I agree with literally, by the way) is the philosophy that does the exact same as you, but instead of setting the boundary biblically it sets it based on the conscious mind. My point (which you missed entirely...shame) was to show you this.