Explaining the God particle

[dad]

I'm using it, but in the correct context. I'm studying mathematics.

Math is a belief system! At least as far as you trying to apply it to the past or future.

 

[Elendur]

Math is a belief system! At least as far as you trying to apply it to the past or future.

Math is not a belief system. It doesn't matter what you use it for.

 

[freezerman2000]

Math is a belief system! At least as far as you trying to apply it to the past or future.

How is math a belief system? One does not have to believe in it, but it is there, none the less..When you get paid-addition,when you spend it-subtraction.
Do your job-the money is added to your account..no belief necessary.

 

[Tomk80]

How is math a belief system? One does not have to believe in it, but it is there, none the less..When you get paid-addition,when you spend it-subtraction.
Do your job-the money is added to your account..no belief necessary.

I just believe that when I get paid, addition, and when I spend, addition. Never any money problems. It's perfect, you should try it!

 

[freezerman2000]

That's one way of looking at it, but why believe you will get paid, when it happens automatically on pay day?

 

[dad]

How is math a belief system? One does not have to believe in it, but it is there, none the less..When you get paid-addition,when you spend it-subtraction.
Do your job-the money is added to your account..no belief necessary.

Math is a belief system. When you try to apply the laws of this present state ( by letters and symbols) to the unknown past of distant universe.

 

[dad]

I just believe that when I get paid, addition, and when I spend, addition. Never any money problems. It's perfect, you should try it!

Just like we are to believe you have a job.

 

[dad]

Math is not a belief system. It doesn't matter what you use it for.

Yes. It matters. A lot.

 

[Elendur]

Yes. It matters. A lot.

What you use it for doesn't change what it is. You're wrong, again.

 

[dad]

What you use it for doesn't change what it is. You're wrong, again.

False. When you use it to describe an unknown state future or past or distant universe it becomes religion by numbers!

 

[Elendur]

False. When you use it to describe an unknown state future or past or distant universe it becomes religion by numbers!

Then explain to me, explicitly, why mathematics change when you use it.

 

[dad]

Then explain to me, explicitly, why mathematics change when you use it.

Math is a representation of stuff. When each letter and number is representing present state physical only universe and dimension stuff, then you cannot connect the dots to a different state.

 

[Elendur]

Math is a representation of stuff. When each letter and number is representing present state physical only universe and dimension stuff, then you cannot connect the dots to a different state.

That did not explain how math changes, nor is it correct. Math is not a representation of stuff. Try again.

 

[dad]

That did not explain how math changes, nor is it correct. Math is not a representation of stuff. Try again.

Of course it is. If we use a number for miles, it represents distance. If we use "E" for energy, it represents earth state energy. Etc.

 

[Elendur]

Of course it is. If we use a number for miles, it represents distance. If we use "E" for energy, it represents earth state energy. Etc.

See the bolded. We use math for representation. And that's just one of the uses. What math is doesn't change because of what it's used for.

 

[dad]

See the bolded. We use math for representation. And that's just one of the uses. What math is doesn't change because of what it's used for.

Yes if it represents ghosts or spiritual things it changes. One cannot carry over the concepts of the fishbowl to the eternal state. I mean you could use math to say the average weight of a human was maybe 177 pounds. But if you added all the folks in heaven to that and angels, your math would be silly.

 

[Elendur]

Yes if it represents ghosts or spiritual things it changes. One cannot carry over the concepts of the fishbowl to the eternal state. I mean you could use math to say the average weight of a human was maybe 177 pounds. But if you added all the folks in heaven to that and angels, your math would be silly.

The math would still be the same, it would be your use of the math that would be silly.

 

[dad]

The math would still be the same, it would be your use of the math that would be silly.

Whatever...in other words the result would not be correct.

 

[Elendur]

Whatever...in other words the result would not be correct.

That would all depend on what you're trying to do, the error won't lie in the mathematics, it will either lie in how you (or someone else) applied it or (/and) how you interpret what you've applied/produced.

 

[dad]

That would all depend on what you're trying to do, the error won't lie in the mathematics, it will either lie in how you (or someone else) applied it or (/and) how you interpret what you've applied/produced.

You can't apply the physical near earth space and laws to the far past, heaven, the future, or probably even deep space. So any math that uses numbers or letters that are supposed to apply there actually don't.

If you were on the bottom of a deep lake, and measuring how psi was working, and you made a distance equation (say that a decrease would happen so fast as we headed up) that math would only be good as long as you were still in water!