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Three leaf clover is NOT incomprehensible.
"Three persons, one God" is more than incomprehensible, it is ridiculous and contrary to every normal thinking.
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Explain the trinity
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Three leaf clover is NOT incomprehensible.
"Three persons, one God" is more than incomprehensible, it is ridiculous and contrary to every normal thinking.
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I am not SAYING that God is an egg. I am using the example of the egg to show how three separate things comprise one.
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OK here...
There are 3 entities.
The father
The Son
The Holy Spirit
It doesn't say explicitly that the Father is the Son, The Sont the Father, or any combination thereof. It does say that the Father is IN the Son, however, which leads me more to believing that it is spoken in a way that is suggesting that The Son, in this case Jesus hold the Father close to his heart, (see: in him), but doesn't suggest that the Father and the son are the same person.
Salvation comes via the holy spirit, from God, and through Jesus. All three entities as one, however, I have not found one bible verse that says explicitly, that all three entities are as one, instead of interpreting it to be so.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not read or seen anything that explicitly says that there is.
Don't get me wrong, all three exist, and all three are important, I just dont see that all are in fact one.
Please, prove me wrong, as this has bothered me for a while, but I have to go with what I see, not what others tell me.
- Buddy Holly
There are 3 entities.
The father
The Son
The Holy Spirit
It doesn't say explicitly that the Father is the Son, The Sont the Father, or any combination thereof. It does say that the Father is IN the Son, however, which leads me more to believing that it is spoken in a way that is suggesting that The Son, in this case Jesus hold the Father close to his heart, (see: in him), but doesn't suggest that the Father and the son are the same person.
Salvation comes via the holy spirit, from God, and through Jesus. All three entities as one, however, I have not found one bible verse that says explicitly, that all three entities are as one, instead of interpreting it to be so.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not read or seen anything that explicitly says that there is.
Don't get me wrong, all three exist, and all three are important, I just dont see that all are in fact one.
Please, prove me wrong, as this has bothered me for a while, but I have to go with what I see, not what others tell me.
- Buddy Holly
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Sketcher
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A three leaf clover is not incomprehensible, it is merely an oversimplified way to describe the Trinity.
A complete understanding of the Trinity is impossible with the minds we humans have right now. But that doesn't make it not true. There are many things that are, but that humans do not understand.
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buddy_holly
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After making this post, I had a look at the CF Statement of Faith and looked up one Biblical quote in particular:
Hebrews 1:2-3
(2) but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. (3) The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
After saying "There is no Biblical proof"... perhaps I've simply overlooked some things. Is this above passage part of the Biblical support for the trinity?
And is there more that I'm also missing?- Buddy Holly
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That's a good one, Alfro 
I came to Christianity through scholarly study, from atheism of all places. I know there is heavy, heavy studies that go in both directions (yes there is a trinity, and no there is not). I've seen and researched all sides of this battle in the past.
In the end, what I do know is exactly what DH (buddy_holly) has already described. All parts of this matter are still important. All parts of the trinity, be there one or not, are important.
Whether or not they are a trinity to me, is almost a none-issue, because it doesn't change my faith a whole lot.
That being said, at this point in my life and from my past research, I have decided myself upon belief in the trinity. While there is no place that says in a few words "This is the trinity", there is also none that says "There is not a trinity". If you bring that together with the pieces in areas of the Bible that do support trinity doctrine, this is enough for me to put at least temporary confidence in the issue at hand (the trinity).
For me, many things of God will never be concrete. I'm sure God will be happy to explain them to me in detail at some point after I die Until then, I'm happy saying "I'm not sure, but this is the closest I can come to understanding it."
For some, this is not good enough. Eh, I'm human, I'm not good enough technically speaking So I'm ok with resigning myself to "close enough" answers from time to time when it does not impact too much of my faith. 
So I'm ok with the clover analysis, it makes sense. But I also see the point of view from people who do not completely put faith in the idea behind it. I could spend all day showing you articles on both sides of things, however this is not the place. We do have areas of CF available to debate this topic if anyone is interested, just so you know
I came to Christianity through scholarly study, from atheism of all places. I know there is heavy, heavy studies that go in both directions (yes there is a trinity, and no there is not). I've seen and researched all sides of this battle in the past.
In the end, what I do know is exactly what DH (buddy_holly) has already described. All parts of this matter are still important. All parts of the trinity, be there one or not, are important.
Whether or not they are a trinity to me, is almost a none-issue, because it doesn't change my faith a whole lot.
That being said, at this point in my life and from my past research, I have decided myself upon belief in the trinity. While there is no place that says in a few words "This is the trinity", there is also none that says "There is not a trinity". If you bring that together with the pieces in areas of the Bible that do support trinity doctrine, this is enough for me to put at least temporary confidence in the issue at hand (the trinity).
For me, many things of God will never be concrete. I'm sure God will be happy to explain them to me in detail at some point after I die
Until then, I'm happy saying "I'm not sure, but this is the closest I can come to understanding it." For some, this is not good enough. Eh, I'm human, I'm not good enough technically speaking
So I'm ok with resigning myself to "close enough" answers from time to time when it does not impact too much of my faith. So I'm ok with the clover analysis, it makes sense. But I also see the point of view from people who do not completely put faith in the idea behind it. I could spend all day showing you articles on both sides of things, however this is not the place. We do have areas of CF available to debate this topic if anyone is interested, just so you know
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You really have to be baptised in the Holy Sprit to really understand trinity.
Some people no longer believe in the Holy Spirit Baptism and that makes it very difficult for them to exolain the Trinity.
Who is the Holy Spirit? Can you feel him?
Some people no longer believe in the Holy Spirit Baptism and that makes it very difficult for them to exolain the Trinity.
Who is the Holy Spirit? Can you feel him?
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