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Explain the Mystery Religion

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natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being
How many pages of no explanation shall we see?

Keep in mind, they demand children be indoctrinated with this. It doesn't make sense, so what they're really demanding is what?

If it can't be explained, it surely cannot be taught - just repeated. Over and over and over, they can repeat, but that won't make it actually mean anything. It was never intended to mean anything.

How can the death goddess act for the good of any being, even one?

How can she act through the good of any being?

Why is she restricted to only acting through good, when she's a death goddess?
 
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If you don't want to converse with me, fair enough, but the OP is telling us that evolution is a religion, when is it clearly not.
By all means, just don't take our word for it:
 
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It's hard to tell what Darwin meant by the expression "each being". It certainly makes no sense for natural selection to act for "the good" of the individuals upon which it operates. Maybe that is why Darwin uses the strange expression "acting through and for the good" since natural selection works "through" individual advantage.
 
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It's hard to tell what Darwin meant by the expression "each being". It certainly makes no sense for natural selection to act for "the good" of the individuals upon which it operates.
I don't think it's hard. You put "the good" in quotes yourself. You're onto a prime clue.


Maybe that is why Darwin uses the strange expression "acting through and for the good" since natural selection works "through" individual advantage.
Take a break and try again later. You make no more sense than Darwin with this.
 
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I am not speqaking about you, in particular, but it is true that you fll into one of the 12 or so ways of perceiving the world, regardless of your self confidence to the contrary.

You probably just mis spoke and forgot that the Myers/Briggs Type Inventory, the one used by eHarmony, separates us all based on the dominance of Freudian archetypial cominations we tend to rely upon.

What I am saying is that AV is dominant in Intuition and he just believes that the Bible, as he misunderstands it, is the best bet against any contrary opinions, as it has so been over the ages.
 
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You probably just mis spoke and forgot that the Myers/Briggs Type Inventory, the one used by eHarmony, separates us all based on the dominance of Freudian archetypial cominations we tend to rely upon.
Don't you mean Carl Jung?
What I am saying is that AV is dominant in Intuition and he just believes that the Bible, as he misunderstands it, is the best bet against any contrary opinions, as it has so been over the ages.
ISTJ -- average score: 75.
 
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I thought their consciences were supposed to be seared with an iron?

1 Timothy 4:2b having their conscience seared with a hot iron;


Yes, the Free Will decisions, you mean.

The "iron" of their personal desires does oppose the good shepherd of their Conscience:





They used to teach about Jimmy Cricket whose low chirping would try to detour Pinnoccio from lying and stuff, but now even the secular community has stopped preaching this advice.
 
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And off you go into another pile of irrelevant nonsense.

Your attempt at a point was that evolution was a religion. It is not. You can't bring an evidenced fact down to the level of your belief. And, you're not strong enough to admit that you simply believe what it is you believe without verifiable evidence. For whatever reason. So you take ignorant potshots at evolution, science... whatever... trying to bring it down to your level.

Sad...
 
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That's nice. Do let us know when you have convinced the scientific community that we need to replace the past 200 years of research that provides real world results with a theory that was falsified prior to evolution even being introduced.
 
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That is quite a leap from saying creationists mis-read Genesis and invent mythologies to support their poor interpretations,... then add, the rest of the bible about curses an sinning explains nothing in biology.

What I would say on th one hand is that Genesis read as it is written is an uncanny source of correct information we just discovered in the last century,...

... while on the other hand, the biology of the human Racw points to man as a Social Animal, more akin to the ants and the bees who have long ago evolved completely in that direction.

What the bible is telling us is that to survive what is coming, we need each other, and we should be working together instead of wars among us.
 
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It's in quotes because these are Darwin's words. This expression is not used these days, and neither is it taught, as you mistakenly claim.

Take a break and try again later. You make no more sense than Darwin with this.

If it doesn't make sense to you, I suggest you think about the difference between "natural selection can act only for the good of each being", which Darwin did not write, but which you seem to think he did, and "natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being"
 
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It's in quotes because these are Darwin's words. This expression is not used these days, and neither is it taught, as you mistakenly claim.
What's that not supposed to mean?


And that?

Anyone can compose nonsense. I've seen better from drunks, and funnier from people locked up in the nuthouse.

I don't need to think all of a sudden there's a new meaning for the conjunction 'and'. Even if it were as you'd have someone somehow imagine, it would make no difference, for chronology prohibits us from plugging in any new definitions you care to invent.

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Now, after all these posts, no progress has been made. None of the blindly faithful can explain their own religion.

natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being
Nobody's even offered a bluff at explaining the nonsense. Neither shall they 'fess up and admit it's pure nonsense.

The goddess they call "natural selection" kills. That's what she does. That's the only thing she can do. This is contradictory to acting through and for good.

If she were associated with good, they wouldn't worship her in the first place.
 
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That's because it's a big subject. Please allow me to offer you an example:-

One thing I find illuminating about young Earth creationism is that it is not limited to strict biblical literalism, as they claim, but involves gross distortion of the Scriptures to the extent that parts become almost unrecognisable compared with what one would understand from a plain literal reading. Take the consequences of the Curse, for example. The Bible tells of painful birthing for women and a hard life for men working in the fields, but for creationists it goes something like this:-

God's Curse brought decay, disaster, pollution, and degeneration. God wants us to fully understand the dreadful consequences of sin — its ramifications are endless. One man's sin polluted the entire Universe and now there is a connection between man's sin and the decay of the Universe — this was the introduction of the Law of Entropy, which states that the order of a system tends to become disorganised and random. There is disintegration everywhere because of the Curse.​

What I would say on th one hand is that Genesis read as it is written is an uncanny source of correct information we just discovered in the last century,...

What sort of information might that be? An expanding universe?

... while on the other hand, the biology of the human Racw points to man as a Social Animal, more akin to the ants and the bees who have long ago evolved completely in that direction.

There's plenty of evidence to show that human beings have evolved to be cooperative animals with a culture, and ethical rules to live by.

What the bible is telling us is that to survive what is coming, we need each other, and we should be working together instead of wars among us.

Taken as a whole, there's plenty of inter-group conflict in the Bible. Christ's message was to love our neighbours — nothing to do with the dinosaurs creationists are fond of depicting.
 
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My religion is protestant Christianity, of no particular variety. What does that have to do with Darwin or natural selection?

How does the selection goddess of death work for the good of each being?
There is no selection goddess of death. Why do you load your posts with this kind of juvenile crap? Do you really think a perpetual sneer is a positive attitude for a Christian to adopt?

Natural selection is being contrasted with selection by humans here. Whereas humans selectively breed for their own benefit, natural selection never operates to improve the fitness of a different species, only the species it is operating in.

How does she work by the good of each being?
It works by the good of each being because natural selection is nothing but the preferential survival and reproduction of fitter individuals.

How is it that she can do nothing else?
Under the rudimentary understanding of natural selection that Darwin had, natural selection always favors the better adapted organism, simply because it is better adapted, since that's all that natural selection is. (In reality, natural selection is quite capable of favoring variants that are detrimental to the species as a whole.)

Were we dealing with a civilized, humble, or tolerant religion it'd be rude to laugh. That's not the case.
Right. As Jesus famously said, "Hate your enemies, be rude to those who mock you, and curse those that don't like you, for in this way you will really show them."
 
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Ok, I will bite and try to explain it to you.

1) As much as you would like to believe, natural selection is not a goddess (or any other type of deity), it is a natural process through which less fit individuals are eliminated from populations after each generation, therefore improving population fitness. It is a testable scientific hypothesis, proven experimentally (think antibiotic resistance).

2) You take the sentence completely out of context. Keep reading that paragraph and you will notice that Darwin gives an example. On the very next sentence he says “When we see leaf-eating insects green, and bark-feeders mottled-grey; the alpine ptarmigan white in winter, the red-grouse the colour of heather, we must believe that these tints are of service to these birds and insects in preserving them from danger”. So what he is saying is that natural selection acted for the good of those beings by making them match their backgrounds (and therefore be less prone to predation) through filtering “bad” individuals out of previous generations.

I hope this clarifies things a bit to you.

And now to my favorite quote of the day:

As Jesus famously said, "Hate your enemies, be rude to those who mock you, and curse those that don't like you, for in this way you will really show them."
 
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I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to offer anything constructive in your posts. I bowed out of your last thread when you wrote this:-


I too do not find any profit in discussing this particular thread any further with you, when all you seem to be able to do is to laugh at other people's posts.

Appeal to ridicule, also called appeal to mockery, the Horse Laugh, or reductio ad ridiculum (Latin: "reduction to the ridiculous"), is a logical fallacy which presents the opponent's argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument, rather than addressing the argument itself.
 
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My religion is protestant Christianity, of no particular variety. What does that have to do with Darwin or natural selection?
You're the one who brought up the claim - you get to justify its place in the discussion.

Some parrots are green and some are white. What does that have to do with Darwin?

See? Doesn't really work so well as you planned.

Neither does this:
How does the selection goddess of death work for the good of each being?
There is no selection goddess of death.
Do tell...

There's some mysterious supernatural thing going about killing off the arbitrarily designated "unfit", through and for the good of each being.

Now we know enough about evolutionism to know the deal. Even if this mystery cryptogoddess were imagined to be male, it would be they type of male which prefers to be called a "goddess" anyhow. Stop complaining, stop denying, and answer the question.

Why do you load your posts with this kind of juvenile crap?
Why don't silly loaded questions fit under the category of "juvenile crap". Shall I guess?

Special pleading!!!

It's an Evoland favourite. Get used to it, people.


Do you really think a perpetual sneer is a positive attitude for a Christian to adopt?
See? There it goes again.

And we have a pretty good idea why we see this "juvenile crap" which magically doesn't get categorized as "juvenile crap", don't we?
Natural selection is being contrasted with selection by humans here. Whereas humans selectively breed for their own benefit, natural selection never operates to improve the fitness of a different species, only the species it is operating in.
Blah blah blah evohype & no substance, no answer.
It works by the good of each being because natural selection is nothing but the preferential survival and reproduction of fitter individuals.
Did you see that? Read it again if you missed it.

Just put 'because' in a sentence and call it an answer!

Natural selectionism is a silly religion because...

...Um, lemme think of something good, okay?

Because cows and goats both produce milk which men use to make cheese!

Okay, I didn't top him. Could you? Have another look - it ain't easy.
Under the rudimentary understanding of natural selection that Darwin had,
This elitist wants us to think he knows the religion better than the false prophet himself!

And still no answer. Nothing.

Have you forgotten the question?

What's this even mean:
natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being
And I specified, did I not?

How does the selection goddess of death work for the good of each being?

How does she work by the good of each being?

How is it that she can do nothing else?

How much mystery has there been on my end? How difficult is it to understand what the issues are?

But how difficult for the arrogant to admit their prophet's just full of nonsense!

Best evopost so far. Don't forget "Under the rudimentary understanding of natural selection that Darwin had"
Oh goodness!
 
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Ok, I will bite and try to explain it to you.
Fat chance

Should I bite and change the topic?

Nah. I'll pass. I'll take a chance and suppose people have a lick of sense.
2) You take the sentence completely out of context.
Silly scoffer false accusation. Total score: zero

The stockpile of subjuvenile tactics won't help you today. I've seen Evoland from one end to the other.

natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being

There's no man in Evoland who can explain it - not in a way that makes any sense whatsoever. Anyone else can accept that it's nonsense, and easily explain it.
 
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