Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

There were two calendars in use in Christ day, the biblical Solar Calendar, and the Civil Lunar Calendar. Which one do you think Christ and the disciples used? Friday evening to Sunday morning is 1.5 days.

CherubRam said:

There were two calendars in use in Christ day, the biblical Solar Calendar, and the Civil Lunar Calendar. Which one do you think Christ and the disciples used? Friday evening to Sunday morning is 1.5 days.

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Hi Again Sir, Mr. CherubRam
Yes, I had posted the url for the one I referenced in a previous post. Since the Gospel writers were all Jewish, with the exception of Luke who mostly wrote for Saul of Tarsus (a Jew of Benjamite heritage), my accounting therefore is based on the Hebrew Calendar. For ease I will reference it again so you don't have to bother to search for it.
http://www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=31
In Christ, Patrick

John 1720 said:

Hi Again Sir, Mr. CherubRam
Yes, I had posted the url for the one I referenced in a previous post. Since the Gospel writers were all Jewish, with the exception of Luke who mostly wrote for Saul of Tarsus (a Jew of Benjamite heritage), my accounting therefore is based on the Hebrew Calendar. For ease I will reference it again so you don't have to bother to search for it.
http://www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=31
In Christ, Patrick

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The Hebrew or Jewish calendar is a lunisolar calendar used today predominantly for Jewish religious observances. It determines the dates for Jewish holidays.

CherubRam said:

The Hebrew or Jewish calendar is a lunisolar calendar used today predominantly for Jewish religious observances. It determines the dates for Jewish holidays.

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For the record regarding the accuracy of the Calendars used here:

cloudyday2 said:

One factor might be that Jesus and his early followers were probably Essene-type Jews. The Essenes disagreed with other Jews on the dating of festivals and the calendar in general. There was a practice among non-Essenes to tinker with the calendar so that the Sabbath and certain festival days would not interfere with each other. The Community Rule of the Dead Sea Scrolls condemns this practice. In addition, the Essenes seem to have used a solar calendar whereas the other Jews used a lunisolar calendar.

I don't know if this website's information is reliable, but it came up in google:
Essene Calendar

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Essene practice was almost diametrically opposite from what Jesus taught His disciples as well as what He commanded them to do - Go out to the ends of the earth and share the Good News and to those who believe make disciples baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and the Gospel must be preached to every ethne' before the end will come; but I shall be with you Always, even to the end of the age. That is all radically different than Essene teaching - but perhaps some Essenes saw in Jesus the fulfillment of prophesy, leaving their dogma behind to embrace Christ.

John 1720 said:

So if you want to count a few minutes as a whole day that's up to you

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Hi Patrick,

The verse I posted from Luke 24:20 show that Luke is talking about the crucified man being delivered earlier in the day, so counting the first day isn't about arguing over a few minutes.

John 1720 said:

knowing Jesus as your Lord and Savior [matters]

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Christians typically confuse that with believing what Paul had to say about Jesus.

Theo102 said:

Hi Patrick,

The verse I posted from Luke 24:20 show that Luke is talking about the crucified man being delivered earlier in the day, so counting the first day isn't about arguing over a few minutes.


Christians typically confuse that with believing what Paul had to say about Jesus.

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Hello Again Theo,
I think you may want to re-examine the Scriptures a bit closer sir. They explicitly state that Jesus didn't die until the 9th hour, which is reckoned to be about 3 PM. However, after 3 PM, more time expired before the Romans actually took it upon themselves to kill the other two criminals executed with our Lord. The method chosen by the Romans to hasten the death of a crucified victim was, as the Bible clarifies, the breaking of their legs. This caused the surviving two men to expire for want of air; this due to restricting their ability to continue breathing during the process of crucifixion.

• Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land and, about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
• Mark 15:33 Now when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour and at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
• Luke 23:44 Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

John also confirms that Jesus, after being flogged, was led away to be crucified at about the sixth hour - which was noontime. This is also when all the leavened bread had been done away with and the Lamb, that had already been prepared, was presented for the slaughter. So, the Lamb was brought forth and presented around noon during the Passover of Nissan 14, all in preparation for the Nissan 15 meal starting that night. Now Pilate had already beaten Jesus to a bloody pulp. So, the symbolism here before His people was as the Lamb of God, just as John the Baptist called Him. Jesus, half dead already, was already quite crimson and prep'd to be slain. And slain not only for the sins of the Jewish people but for every single tribe, tongue and nation on the face of the earth. For the love of us He took our just due for the sins we have all committed!

• John 19:14-15 Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold your King!" But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!"

John also alludes that Jesus was already quite dead before the Roman were told to end it. They were told to put the crucifixions outside the gate to an end. This was for fear of offending the Jews who did not want the defilement of crucifixion victims visible from the road as the High Sabbath started. Now the representative leaders of the people who requested Pilate to end it probably did not really care what ditch they threw the body of Jesus into. Historically they usually gave their victims a rather hasty burial. But that was a concern of two on the council; for both Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, who were listed as believers in Christ, desired to entomb Him properly and Joseph, an influential rich man, was certainly capable of doing that.

• John 19:31-34 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

Although we are not told how much time transpired here, all of this easily could have been an hour or more. What we are told is that, even "after" the time of those particular events, Joseph of Arimethia came before Pilate to request if he would be willing to release the body of Jesus to them for burial. He did so in order to provide Him a decent Jewish burial. My guess is that, previous to this, the Romans had simply pitched the Lord's body into a common grave, along with the two crucified criminals. So who knows if retrieving the body of Isa ibn Maryam required digging Him up? It's a strong possibility depending on how much time transpired. We are told that Pilate did approve of the action but we do not know how long it took to get his decree. We are also told Nicodemus brought spices and wrappings for the occasion of the Lord's entombment. Then there's the action of properly preparing the body of Christ for entombment. So, by that time we can all easily conceive of a few hours passing since our Lord breathed His last. The Sabbath must have indeed been encroaching in on them. They would have had to hurry! I'm sure they had outside help - they were the leaders not the workers but still it was an uphill task. As I surmised in my earlier post, there was probably only literally minutes to make it home in time for the feast, after they laid the Lord's body to rest "in the heart of the earth"; the tomb which they had prepared for our Lord and Savior for His Sabbath rest. For all His work had been accomplished.
John 19:38-42

• After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission.
• So he came and took the body of Jesus. And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews' Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.

It is important to remember that they chose this tomb, not only because it simply property belonging to the wealthy Joseph, but because it was nearby to Golgotha and "the Jewish Preparation Day" was closing in, "for the tomb was nearby". The tomb is maybe 200-300 meters away from the Golgotha site but you can pretty much feel the tension in that sentence, no doubt communicated by the witnesses (Joseph & Nicodemus).
So, I have also been there and seen the site of the crucifixion, as well as the garden tomb. I know where Pilate would have been stationed in relation to the Golgotha and the Garden Tomb that John alludes to. This provides me with additional insight to better estimate how long all the logistics of that may have taken. I'd hesitate to say it could have been less than 45 minutes and probably longer in order to retrieve the body from where the Romans had tossed it and then to bring it to the tomb. Add to that the preparation and you are getting extremely close to sunset. Being devout Jews they no doubt made it under the wire to celebrate the Passover feast of Unleavened Bread with their families but the law of averages implies that they didn't make it with much time to spare. As I said before the tomb was not officially sealed by the Roman soldiers until after the Sabbath was in full force. So I think you might be straining at gnats unnecessarily here with regard to believing that we should be required to add an extra day. Respectfully and in my opinion I logically believe that is entirely unnecessary.
In Christ, Patrick

Hank77 said:

Source please. Thanks

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Yes, I quite agree Hank! Please provide the source! Amazing!

Neostarwcc said:

I always wondered this too. When Jesus was crucified on Friday evening and buried on Friday night and raised from the dead Sunday morning wasn't he only dead for a day and a bit? Which is why some people claim he was crucified on Wednesday and not Friday. Yet we celebrate good Friday and Easter as days celebrating his death and resurrection. I'm clearly missing something here.

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Traditions vs Scripture as well as the Calendar really are two different things. It's always best to look under the hood to see what drives us in a particular direction. Even in the early Church there were differences and disagreements on the celebrations of Holy week as both Jerome and Irenaeus attest to

• "Polycarp disciple of the apostle John and by him ordained bishop of Smyrna was chief of all Asia, where he saw and had as teachers some of the apostles and of those who had seen the Lord. He, on account of certain questions concerning the days of the Passover, went to Rome; this in the time of the emperor Antoninus Pius while Anicetus ruled the church in that city." -Jerome, Illustrious Men
• "For neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp to forego the observance [in his own way], inasmuch as these things had been always [so] observed by John the disciple of our Lord, and by other apostles with whom he had been conversant; nor, on the other hand, could Polycarp succeed in persuading Anicetus to keep [the observance in his way], for he maintained that he was bound to adhere to the usage of the presbyters who preceded him. And in this state of affairs they held fellowship with each other"; Irenaeus in his letter to Pope Victor

And therein lies the rub of tradition!
In Christ, Patrick

John 1720 said:

For the record regarding the accuracy of the Calendars used here:

The “Hebrew” years shown on this web site match the Rabbinic calendar which has been in use by the majority of the Jews at least since the writing of Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah (1170‑1180 AD). (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar and related articles). This is a calculated calendar, with the beginnings of months and years established by Rabbinic rules for computation and “postponements” of new moons. The calculations result in months and years that approximate, but are not in complete harmony with the natural lunar and solar cycles.

The “Hebrew” years illustrated here prior to the time of Maimonides are hypothetical, superimposing the Rabbinic computations backward in time through 142 AD. Prior to 142 AD the same Rabbinic methods of computation are used here, except that a change in the arrangement of leap years was made to “correct” a presumed calendar drift.
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The biblical calendar has been in use long before the Christian Era. The Hebrews started to use the Lunar Calendar in 167 BC.

From Wikipedia

Birkat ha-Hammah (ברכת החמה, also: ha-Chamah, Hahammah, Hachammah), is Hebrew for "The Blessing of the Sun."

It is a special Jewish prayer recited once every twenty-eight years, the period of the solar cycle. Jewish law stipulates that the prayer be said every 10,227 (28 times 365.25) days. The next date set is April 8, 2009 (Hebrew year 5769).

According to the Babylonian Talmud (tractate Berachot 59b), at these times the Sun returns to the position that it had when the Universe was first created. The explanation is that if the year were exactly 365.25 days, the Sun's equinox times would be at the same time in the week every 28 years (28 times 0.25 days equals 7 days). The tradition is that the Sun was created in its Spring equinox position, at the first hour of the night before the fourth day of Creation. Whenever the equinox is thought to occur at that same time of the week, the Sun is said to have returned to its original position.

The solar cycle is a 28-year cycle of the Julian calendar with respect to the week. It occurs because leap years occur every 4 years and there are 7 possible days to start a leap year, making a 28-year sequence.

This cycle also occurs in the Gregorian calendar, but it is interrupted by years such as 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 and 2500, which are divisible by four but which are common years. This interruption has the effect of skipping 16 years of the solar cycle between February 28 and March 1. Because the Gregorian cycle of 400 years has exactly 146,097 days, i.e. exactly 20,871 weeks, one can say that the Gregorian so-called solar cycle lasts 400 years.

Calendar years are usually marked by Dominical letters indicating the first Sunday in a new year, thus the term solar cycle can also refer to a repeating sequence of Dominical letters.

Unless a year is not a leap year due to Gregorian exceptions, a sequence of calendars is reused every 28 years.

The name solar cycle comes from Sunday, the traditional first day of the week.

The Qumran calendar
See also: Enoch calendar and Qumran calendrical texts

Many of the Dead Sea (Qumran) Scrolls have references to a unique calendar, used by the people there, who are often assumed to be Essenes.

The year of this calendar used the ideal Mesopotamian calendar of twelve 30-day months, to which were added 4 days at the equinoxes and solstices (cardinal points), making a total of 364 days.

There was some ambiguity as to whether the cardinal days were at the beginning of the months or at the end, but the clearest calendar attestations give a year of four seasons, each having three months of 30, 30, and 31 days with the cardinal day the extra day at the end, for a total of 91 days, or exactly 13 weeks. Each season started on the 4th day of the week (Wednesday), every year. (Ben-Dov, Head of All Years, pp. 16–17)

With only 364 days, it is clear that the calendar would after a few years be very noticeably different from the actual seasons, but there is nothing to indicate what was done about this problem. Various suggestions have been made by scholars. One is that nothing was done and the calendar was allowed to change with respect to the seasons. Another suggestion is that changes were made irregularly, only when the seasonal anomaly was too great to be ignored any longer. (Ben-Dov, Head of All Years, pp. 19–20)

The writings often discuss the moon, but the calendar was not based on the movement of the moon any more than indications of the phases of the moon on a modern western calendar indicate that that is a lunar calendar.

Rabbi Akiva Calendar


The Jewish sage Rabbi Akiva (AKA Akiba) convinced the Sanhedrin to support the impending revolt, and to regard the chosen commander Simon Bar Kokhba to be the Jewish Messiah, according to the Star Prophecy verse from Numbers 24:17: "There shall come a star out of Jacob"

("Bar Kokhba" means "son of a star" in the Aramaic language.


At the time Christianity was still a minor sect of Judaism, and most historians believe that it was this messianic claim in favor of Bar Kokhba that alienated many Christians (including Jewish Christians), who believed that the true messiah was Yahshua, and that this sharply deepened the schism between Jews and Christians.


The Jewish leaders carefully planned the second revolt to avoid numerous mistakes that had plagued the first Great Jewish Revolt sixty years earlier. In 132, a revolt led by Bar Kokhba quickly spread from Modi'in across the country, cutting off the Roman garrison in Jerusalem.


Carbon 14 dates are consistently 100–150 years earlier than Israel’s historical dates. It is believed that Rabbi Akiba subtracted time from the Civil Hebrew Calendar, to give credence to Simon Kokhba being the Messiah to come. My best guess is that the Civil Hebrew Calendar is off by about 140 years.

Yabel(Book of Jubilees) 6:32-38, "And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to 33 their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts. But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years 34 will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances. And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths 35 and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years. For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant 36 and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance. For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the 37 seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon. For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and 38 jubilees. For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh......"

Hi Again Theo,
I wanted to add an addendum. Here is Golgotha, the place of the skull and the Garden tomb nearby. It is representative of the tour you might receive if you were to physically go there. I have been here and so believe this will help augment your understanding of the events as recorded in Scripture.

In Christ, Patrick

John 1720 said:

Hi Again Theo,
I wanted to add an addendum. Here is Golgotha, the place of the skull and the Garden tomb nearby. It is representative of the tour you might receive if you were to physically go there. I have been here and so believe this will help augment your understanding of the events as recorded in Scripture.

In Christ, Patrick

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Hi Patrick,
I don't see how your last two posts are relevant to your timeline.

Theo102 said:

Hi Patrick,
I don't see how your last two posts are relevant to your timeline.

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Hi Theo,
Okay, so if you believe my time estimate is irrelevant to the discussion then all you have to do is create a similar exercise and come up with your own estimate. That should provide you with your own reasoned out timeline based on the events that occurred after Yeshua commended His Spirit into the Hands of the Father at about the 9th hour (which was 3 PM) based on the Scriptures. The events that followed were

1. The Leaders of the Council requesting that Pilate not leave the body of Yeshua hanging on the cross, nor allow the 2 criminals who were still alive to be a spectacle of abomination as the high Sabbath broke. Remember these leaders had been at the crucifixion site, mocking Yeshua, and would have had to travel back to the Praetorium, where Pilate was.
   • Your estimated time?
2. Pilate issues the order to his Centurion and he carries that back or else sends a runner to issue orders to the soldiers on Golgotha; that is to break the legs of those still alive and enduring crucifixion.
   • Your estimated time?
3. The Roman soldier(s) carry out the order to break the legs of those still alive and the time given for the expiration of the two prisoners who were still alive.
   • Your estimated time?
4. Jesus' legs were not broken because the soldier assessed He was already dead but then He wanted to make sure. So He was thrust through and speared through the heart; we know this because both water and blood emitted, mixed together (a testament that He had already died from congestive heart failure)
   • Your estimated time?
5. The Roman soldiers, again following orders from Pilate who did not wish to offend the Jewish leaders, took down the 3 bodies from the cross and began to follow thru on the orders to dispose of the bodies.
   • Your estimated time?
6. After this Joseph of Arimathea brings his petition to Pilate, who resided at the Praetorium, that he might have the body of Jesus in order for a proper Jewish interment. Pilate signs the order to release the body to him.
   • Your estimated time?
7. Joseph and Nicodemus lead the burial party from the Praetorium, most probably by using a donkey caravan. They are loaded with at least 100 pounds of spices, linen cloths, and other necessary supplies that Nicodemus had brought. Their travel would have been from the Praetorium to somewhere near the vicinity of Golgotha. So in order to retrieve the body so you need a frame of reference. Here it is:
   • Pilate's court - Wikipedia
   • Your estimated time?
8. Retrieving Jesus body from where the Romans had thrown it or were burying it or even had buried it.
   • Remember Scripture tells us: "the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away" So there was most likely a common repository nearby where crucifixion victims were buried. This task must be accounted for since they were specifically ordered to take care not to have exposed bodies in sight for the High Sabbath. We can therefore assume some type of burial detail, at minimum perhaps a shallow common grave.
   • Your estimated time?
9. Carting Yeshua's body and the spices from there out to the garden tomb. This was owned by Joseph who was quite rich. It was about a distance of 300 meters by a slow moving donkey; which is one of the reasons why I supplied you with the tour of Golgotha and the Garden tomb, since otherwise you would not have had a perspective for distance.
   • Your estimated time?
10. Preparing the body of Jesus, including the wrappings, spices, etc; remember these two believed He was the Lamb of God prophesied to Israel and understood the events that happened in that light. They would therefore have taken great care to honor Him.
    • Your estimated time?

• So these are the events (only the ones we know about) that took place after the last hour we are explicitly told of in the Gospels; that being 3 PM. My post that you stated was of no value to you was my hypothesis of how much time this all would have taken. You are welcome to refute mine and add your own hypothesis of the timetable of course but in order to do so you will need to reconcile it to the additional 10 events we are told occurred in the Gospels. That will give you your own estimate of Yeshua's entombment.
• Now Sunset was near or about 7 PM in Jerusalem back in April of AD 31. Sunset would have ended Nissan 14 and would have been the start of Nissan 15, the high Sabbath - the feast of unleavened bread. So we are merely speaking here of reconciling the final 4 hours or really the waning hours of Nissan 14; since only 16.67% of the day was even left after 3 PM. While I believe what I posted was a reasonable hypothesis sir, you are certainly able to hypothesize your own evaluation and let the readers decide on their own based on your own merits of discernment.
• All that remains after completing the above exercise is to add all 10 of these estimates up. Then you will need to subtract it from 4; the remaining time not specified by the Gospels. Then you should take the difference and divide it by 24; which will render your estimate of the percentage of the day remaining. Then I think you can conclude your hypothesis since you will then be prepared to tell us exactly why we should count that particular quotient/percentage as a full day; in order to support your argument. Then, if you post it for us to evaluate your rigor, we can read it and possibly be convinced on your merits. I think that is both reasonable and fair instead of just merely stating my estimate was of no value to the debate. After all I did put in the time on my part in order to illustrate my perspective, which you summarily dismissed without saying why. It is only equitable that you should do the same exercise then to support the validity to your argument. II will not be as quick as you to summarily dismiss your evaluation but I will certainly scrutinize your findings. Does that sound fair sir?

In Christ, Patrick

John 1720 said:

Okay, so if you believe my time estimate is irrelevant to the discussion...

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Your timeline is obviously relevant to your argument, but I haven't seen you make any point that would overcome your problem with Luke's testimony of the discovery of the empty tomb at around dawn on the third day. IOW Crucifixion on the first day, and then two sabbaths for your timeline mean that the discovery would have happened on the fourth day by Luke's reckoning, not the third.

Theo102 said:

Your timeline is obviously relevant to your argument, but I haven't seen you make any point that would overcome your problem with Luke's testimony of the discovery of the empty tomb at around dawn on the third day. IOW Crucifixion on the first day, and then two sabbaths for your timeline mean that the discovery would have happened on the fourth day by Luke's reckoning, not the third.

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Dear Sir,
It wasn't simply a discovery that the tomb was empty. When I walked into the Garden Tomb, a few years ago, I myself discovered the tomb was empty. However Luke records the experience of the women ran much deeper than that. Being informed that the Lord had risen they ran back to the disciples and told them, However, their story seemed so fantastic to the men they did not believe them. So Didymus was not the only doubter!

1. Luke 24:11 And their words seemed to them like idle tales, and they did not believe them.

As far as your statement in relation to the dawn being the fourth day, it appears you did not pay attention to my previous posts where I supplied you with the information on how the ancient Hebrews accounted for their calendar days. See Post #249. I did go into some detail on that, in order to clear up any possible confusion, this because in the West we obviously do not start our days in the evening. As I reiterated before the days were reckoned as in Genesis, as evening first, morning

• Genesis 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
• Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
• Genesis 1:13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
• Genesis 1:19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
• Genesis 1:23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
• Genesis 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
• There is no account the evening and morning for the 7th day, for good reason. However, that is another subject altogether for another day.

I also provided a URL on how the Hebrews accounted their days to you from a Jewish site that explains the celebration of Passover and the difference between Nissan 14 and 15, as well as the days starting in the evening and continuing on through the daylight hours.

• https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

And then in another Post I actually took an excerpt from their explanation and pasted it because I had surmised you hadn't followed the link below.

• Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights. (See Post #258)

So, once again I reiterate; the dawn did not start a new day but a was a direct "continuation" of the 3rd day. It certainly "was not" the fourth day as you incorrectly continue to infer. My argument stands on the basis therefore which defers to the accounting of the Hebrew Calendar and not our Western calendar. It was still "very much" the 2nd half of the 3rd day, which was the Day of First Fruits according to the Hebrew Calendar.

• Hebrew Roots/Holy Days/Firstfruits - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
• 1Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
• 1Corinthians 15:23 But each one (will rise) in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

So therefor, in conclusion, it would remain the 3rd day until sunset that evening when the 4th day would have finally arrived.
Hope that clears up the confusion sir.
In Christ, Patrick

John 1720 said:

It wasn't simply a discovery that the tomb was empty.

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Yes, but you're not bringing anything new to the table that's relevant to the point that Luke started counting days on the day before the first sabbath of your timeline.

You said: "As I reiterated before the days were reckoned as in Genesis, as evening first, morning", but this doesn't affect my argument.

Theo102 said:

Yes, but you're not bringing anything new to the table that's relevant to the point that Luke started counting days on the day before the first sabbath of your timeline.

You said: "As I reiterated before the days were reckoned as in Genesis, as evening first, morning", but this doesn't affect my argument.

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Hi Sir,
I believe that this was your quote that you asked me to address.

Theo said:

1. You can't unless you throw out Luke. Days were counted inclusively, meaning that on morning of the the third day only one full day and two full nights would have passed since the body was placed in the tomb.
2. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Luke 24:21

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1. As to your first point, I numerically posited the count of days to you in multiple posts of mine. Reiterating, once again, Day #1 was Thurs night, Friday morning; Day #2 was Friday evening, Saturday morning; and Day #3 was Saturday evening to Sunday morning when Christ arose. So how does your accounting come up with only 1 full day and two nights? I fail to see your point here sir.
2. As to your second point: I explained that the event Luke documents and which you took issue with, which was the meeting of Clopas and an unnamed disciple with the risen Christ on the road to Emmaeus, took place on the 3rd day. I further elaborated that it would have remained the 3rd day until Sunday evening at sunset, when it would have become the 4th day. Now that doesn't mean the crucifixion was more than 72 hours prior because Christ died at 3 PM and was buried probably near sunset. While this was Sunday afternoon, we are not told how far along in the walk they were when that particular quote transpired. What we are told to give us a rough timeline is this:.
   • Luke 24:13-15​
     
     
     Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. And they talked together of all these things which had happened. So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. ​

So the passage you claim to be problematic really happened along the road during the afternoon, still Sunday and still the 3rd day - as I said before. Can we establish a rough time of day? Yes, I believe so. We are given a distance for the journey of seven miles. The average walking speed roughly averages out to about 3 mph so the journey would have taken about 2 hours and 20 minutes. We also are given a rough timeframe near the end of the journey. Luke mention that they say it was getting nearer to the end of the day as they drew into the town. It was there that they simply requested him to abide a bit longer and He did until the breaking of bread. So getting near the end of the day but not the close could have been anywhere from 5:30-6:30. Subtracting out the approximate 2 and 1/2 hour walk brings us to about 72 hours or 3 full days since Jesus died on the cross.
So, as you can see, this is really not a very problematic passage sir. Nor would it suggest 4 days are needed as you claim.
In Christ, Patrick