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This is typical of someone that hasn't really had any education in Biblical history.
 
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Could you give me ten examples of macro evolution using evidence provided by science. What I mean is evidence that one type of organism evolved into another using scientific discovery excluding the whale. Thanks.
 
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Evolution doesn't explain how or why sex came about at all. Sex is one element in evolution that remains unexplained and even some think it doesn't seem to fit at all. Why go to all that trouble and necessity for two organisms to reproduce.
Okay.

Thanks for the correction.

I was going to quote this verse as my trump card ...

1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
 
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Could you give me ten examples of macro evolution using evidence provided by science. What I mean is evidence that one type of organism evolved into another using scientific discovery excluding the whale. Thanks.

Why "excluding the whale"?
To devastating to your objections to macro evolution?

Here are a couple:
- human chromosome nr2: evidence of "macro divergence" of an ape ancestor into chimps and humans
- shared ERV's: evidence of "macro divergence" of ape ancestors into all the great apes (including humans).


You can turn your denial mode on now.
 
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This shows again that you know little about the Quran or the Bible.

Do you deny that Maurice Bucaille, a medical doctor, wrote a book explaining how mega accurate the Quran is scientifically?

Perhaps you should look it up.
This has nothing to do about my understanding (or lack thereof) concerning the bible or the quran, and everything to do with the fact that you can find "professionals" in every religion claiming how scientifically accurate that specific religion is.

It doesn't mean anything because on every occasion, one requires a "very specific" interpretation of the scripture in question to reverse match it to the actual scientific knowledge, given to us by science, not by religious scriptures.

In almost all cases I have been presented with, it required quite some psychological gymnastics to "match" the scriptures to the facts of reality.

Every time, I remain unimpressed.
 
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The store and the edifice across the country are not related.

You can drive to the store, but you can't drive across the country? Really?

You must be one of those people who are able to put one foot in front of the other, but are completely baffled as to how you can walk to the curb.

In macroevolution, I drive to Store A, then I drive across the country to Store B and should find it related to Store A.

In macroevolution, it is nothing more than repeated microevolutionary events, just as you repeatedly put one foot in front of the other to walk from your porch to the curb.
 
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i'm not sure science itself knows what the distinction is.

They do. Microevolution is evolution within a population. Macroevolution is evolution at or above the level of the population (i.e. species).

only recently have they come up with a possible theory that could be empirically tested.

Population genetics has been around for quite a while, and it has been used to measure genetic barriers between populations and the divergence of their genomes as part of macroevolution.
 
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Can you give us an example of how Genesis agrees with science?

It seems rather problematic that Genesis has the emergence of plants before there is even a sun. It also seems rather problematic that Genesis has the emergence of whales occurring before the emergence of land mammals. The science has just the opposite for those two.
 
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You can drive to the store, but you can't drive across the country? Really?
Of course I can drive to both.

Where did you get the idea otherwise?
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You must be one of those people who are able to put one foot in front of the other, but are completely baffled as to how you can walk to the curb.
Either that, or you misread what I said.
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In macroevolution, it is nothing more than repeated microevolutionary events, just as you repeatedly put one foot in front of the other to walk from your porch to the curb.
I do not believe in macroevolution.

In macroevolution, once I got from the porch to the curb, I would have to observe that both the porch and the curb are related to each other somehow.

In other words, had there been no porch, there would be no curb.

Therefore it wouldn't matter if the curb was one baby-step away, or halfway across the galaxy.

The point would be the same: macroevolution is a joke.
 
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What do you know about Jesus? stories?
It's not how much of Him I know that really counts.

It's how much of me He knows.

Galatians 4:9a But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,
 
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I do not believe in macroevolution.

If I said that I believed Pluto does not exist, would it disappear?

In macroevolution, once I got from the porch to the curb, I would have to observe that both the porch and the curb are related to each other somehow.

They are related through each step that links them.

The point would be the same: macroevolution is a joke.

When sticking your head in the sand doesn't work, insults are the next salvo.
 
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If I said that I believed Pluto does not exist, would it disappear?
No, but then you would give up your right to call it our ninth ...

Oh, wait ... nevermind.
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They are related through each step that links them.
No they are not.
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When sticking your head in the sand doesn't work, insults are the next salvo.
What insult?
 
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Rachel Evans prioritized though.

I think she prioritized a quest for honesty. Specifically in regards to this section topic, she went from fervently believing in Young Earth Creationism, accepting the false dogma that couldn't be a Christian and doubt it, and demonizing evolution to fully accepting and embracing it as she gained an education and allowed her mind to truly utilize it.
 
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I think she prioritized a quest for honesty.
That's not what I meant.

Rachel Evans got saved first, then went backsliding.

At least YECs led her to Christ.

Some people who believe in evolution get saved, but don't give up their philosophy.

So they don't really backslide, per se.
 
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That's not what I meant.

Rachel Evans got saved first, then went backsliding.

At least YECs led her to Christ.

Some people who believe in evolution get saved, but don't give up their philosophy.

So they don't really backslide, per se.

She was raised by Young Earth Creationists in a town that infamously rejects evolution because of fallacious ideology about it. Had she been raised by any of the majority of Christians who accept evolution as an explanation for the mechanisms of life and embrace Christ as the meaning of life, she wouldn't have undergone the intense conflict she experienced in young adulthood. She didn't "backslide." She advanced.

For most normal Christians, evolution has very little to do with their salvation.
 
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