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Eldy said:
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Why have you gone from believing in one God to believing in many? That's really sad.

And this is the typical jargon that has convinced me to leave this forum.

I most certainly believe in ONE God.

I don't understand why my question would be considered "typical jargon that has convinced [you] to leave this forum." If you say you believe in only One God, I'm very happy. But the LDS church's teachings are henotheistic not monotheistic. So if you believe in the Triune God, you will be at odds with the majority of LDS.
 
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Eldy said:
Oh, if there is anything I have done it has been to take my time. I have spent years since leaving the LDS church reading and teaching the "problems" with the faith. Tell you what, not one of them is without a valid answer. I have sought the will of God on this issue over and over. I know that nothing I do can pay for my sins and that ONLY Jesus saves through faith in His atoning sacrifice. This does not though negate the repsonsibility to act out our faith. When we come to Christ and have Him working in our lives then we are expected to step out and BE Jesus to the world.

If there is anything that I have done it is to scrutinize. The LDS faith has withstood it beautifully and the peace I feel once again in my heart since starting to re-investigate is enough for me to have the faith in Jesus to step out.

Without any haste and with much prayer and investigation I have decided to seek out re-baptism. I will be meeting with my Bishop this next week.
There are a lot of "peaceful" things in the LDS church that are not related to spirituality that seem to have you bound. And that is understandable, if there were to be anything that could drag me back to the RLDS church it would be the fellowship of the saints (and it is a bigger draw than anything I have experienced before except the love of God), but once you step aside from that, you need to examine the "religion" of the church. Can you explain how the temple cerermonies, etc., fit in with the teachings of Christ? Ceremonies that are based on personal achievement with man being the focus instead of God?

I know I mentioned it before, but one doesn't need to be LDS to live out a life of service to God. That should be any disciples joy, being in God's service, because they only want to please Him!
 
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Eldy said:
I am currently an ex-LDS but must say that if God sees fit to show me that the LDS church is true, I will be right back there.

No religious organization is going to save you, neither is doing unbiblical baptisms in a temple made of rocks.

But good luck if you get the warm fuzzies and hightail it to the nearest ward.
 
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Yeah, but then again, icons mean nothing. And I do not at all deny the power of what happened on the cross. My salvation is all of Jesus and Jesus alone through the power of what He did for me.

I guess I find it funny that this scripture would now be used against me as if I am perishing now. When I was a confessing evangelical, it was because I trusted Jesus as my only hope of salvation.

Nothing has changed except I believe that the LDS faith is truth. That does not somehow condemn me except in the eyes of the evangelical church. I am only concerned with how Jesus sees me and I know that He loves me and I am His.

Just remember when you find yourself beating yourself up because you cannot keep all the commandments, that Christ kept them for you. It is He and He alone who is righteous. Our self-righteousness misses the mark, but when Heavenly Father looks upon those who are "in Christ" He sees the righteousness of Christ. Christ didn't come in order to "make up the difference", He took care of it all, once-for-all. But, we have a responsibility to reach out and take the free gift He offers. It is all or nothing. Jesus is the propitiation for our sin. Please don't fall into that trap of praying "Is this the true church?" I have known people who have repeatedly prayed that prayer only to feel like God isn't answering their prayer, when in fact He has answered. Be sure it is the Lord you hear from. If you are ever not sure, pray and watch. Wait on Him.

I'm not going to bash you for your decision, but I want to stress to you the absolute importance of being sure it is God who is guiding you. It is soooo easy to feel like we are trusting 100% in Christ, when really we are only asking HF to bless *our* efforts. I'm not going to lash out at you because of your decision to talk to the bishop about being baptized, because I realize that would only further push you toward doing so. Again, if you ever need someone to talk to without saying I told you so, I am here for you. I place my faith in God to change you rather than in you to change yourself. He loves you so very much Eldy. So very much!
 
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Eldy said:
If infact I am following a different Christ then the one you espouse who would burn someone up for their belief that does not lign up with calgal's, then I say God bless the real Jesus who came as the Savior of the WORLD!

I am sorry you feel that way. I do wish you well in dealing with whatever life hands you.

Now back to the OP: The one thing that was hardest to adjust to after leaving the mormons was simply being an ordinary, fallible mortal instead of a goddess in embryo. :sigh: That and losing the insta friends one made by simply being in a ward were difficult for me to deal with at first. Learning how to make "church friends" and decide who was a friend and who was an acquaintance were difficult lessons to learn. And trust is hard to build (after being in a world where a mask was required 24/7 to avoid being the target of ward gossip) but learning who to trust and how to read people is a long term process (for the exmos). Learning church history was also instructive and useful as was understanding why some events occurred and what phrases meant and what creeds were and why they were important.

It took a long time and a lot of changes internally and externally to accept being a dumb, sinful fallible human being who did not deserve Salvation (from being more special than most of the world by virtue of some funny underwear and lots and lots of works).
 
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Eldy said:
So then the idea of Once Saved Always Saved is false?
Nice jump. But it seems to me a faulty assumption about OSAS, or as it is more properly known, "Preserverance of the Saints", is the basis of your comment.
Hmmm, I guess it should be Once Saved Always Saved unless of course you become LDS at which time you will lose your relationship with the One you love and will be burned forever and ever and ever in hell.
No, that could fall under the idea that a person was never truly saved to begin with. Christ does not lose His own. And going back to a false church shows one may have not been saved to begin with. But I'll keep praying for those people.
 
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Wrigley said:
Nice jump. But it seems to me a faulty assumption about OSAS, or as it is more properly known, "Preserverance of the Saints", is the basis of your comment.No, that could fall under the idea that a person was never truly saved to begin with. Christ does not lose His own. And going back to a false church shows one may have not been saved to begin with. But I'll keep praying for those people.

That's the old "Calvinistic loophole" at work.
 
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So then the idea of Once Saved Always Saved is false? Hmmm, I guess it should be Once Saved Always Saved unless of course you become LDS at which time you will lose your relationship with the One you love and will be burned forever and ever and ever in hell.

Do you even hear yourself?

I cannot believe I once held onto these tripe filled ideas.

I trust Jesus and Jesus alone for salvation. I have faith in Him. I believe in Him. I seem to remember that the Bible you read somewhere says something to the effect of

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life....

Maybe you do not believe this or maybe you have just decided to let someone else distort it to fit what they want it to mean but to me it says to have faith in Jesus and you will not perish.

yes, you are correct, once saved aways saved. meaning there are many LDS in Heaven as there are many Baptist in Hell.
 
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Jesus will await your return, and if you do come back, he will celebrate your return and so will I.

Luke 15:11-32 (New International Version)

The Parable of the Lost Son
11Jesus continued: "There was a man who had two sons. 12The younger one said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of the estate.' So he divided his property between them.

13"Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17"When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' 20So he got up and went to his father.
"But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21"The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.[a]'

22"But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.

25"Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27'Your brother has come,' he replied, 'and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.'

28"The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!' 31" 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' "
 
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Wrigley said:
No, more of just those out there who don't understand what Calvinism teaches.

LOL! Pot, meet kettle!

Let's see, I don't understand what Calvinism teaches.

I don't understand what my own church teaches.

Do I really understand anything at all? :confused:
 
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Eldy said:
So then the idea of Once Saved Always Saved is false? Hmmm, I guess it should be Once Saved Always Saved unless of course you become LDS at which time you will lose your relationship with the One you love and will be burned forever and ever and ever in hell.

Do you even hear yourself?

I cannot believe I once held onto these tripe filled ideas.

I trust Jesus and Jesus alone for salvation. I have faith in Him. I believe in Him. I seem to remember that the Bible you read somewhere says something to the effect of

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life....

Maybe you do not believe this or maybe you have just decided to let someone else distort it to fit what they want it to mean but to me it says to have faith in Jesus and you will not perish.

Excellent points. :thumbsup: They accepted you as a Christian, but once you join LDS, then all the sudden you are in league with the devil and on the path to perdition. ^_^
 
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Swart said:
LOL! Pot, meet kettle!

Let's see, I don't understand what Calvinism teaches.

I don't understand what my own church teaches.

Do I really understand anything at all? :confused:

What does your burning bosom say? You are run by feeelings as a mormon so that would be your gods' answer.
 
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Wrigley said:
Nice jump. But it seems to me a faulty assumption about OSAS, or as it is more properly known, "Preserverance of the Saints", is the basis of your comment.No, that could fall under the idea that a person was never truly saved to begin with. Christ does not lose His own. And going back to a false church shows one may have not been saved to begin with. But I'll keep praying for those people.
Are you saying then it is impossible for someone to know that he/she is really saved as an orthodox Christian? Were they knowingly or unknowingly lying to themselves while they were "Christian"? If so why would I believe it when anyone here tells me they know they are saved? as it is just as possible for them to off and join the LDS church also. For I have seen greater critics of the LDS church than is found on this forum who as an OC would tell you they also knew Christ had saved them, turn and join the LDS church.
 
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