ExGay Testimony ? Im not sure

[MrPirate]

So if i were a murderer should i just be who I am?

Once again a demonstration that it is somehow morally acceptable that if one cannot actually justify personal prejudice…then falsely comparing a minority to some kind of criminal is perfectly OK.

Racists have used this same tactic for decades to justify bigotry.

 

[david_x]

So Gays are now on the same level as murders ? comn you can do better than that. Im giving you a time out. Go sit in your barney chair , in the corner unti,l you can tell me the difference between consenting adults and a brutal murderer.

I am using a comparison to illistrate the idiocrecy behind that argument. If anything you help my point as you choose the "one sin is not greater than the other" argument. If you think that than I have a question for you: Which sin does not gureentee a one way trip to hell?

 

[david_x]

Once again a demonstration that it is somehow morally acceptable that if one cannot actually justify personal prejudice…then falsely comparing a minority to some kind of criminal is perfectly OK.

Racists have used this same tactic for decades to justify bigotry.

So you don't have a response?

 

[tulc]

Which sin does not gureentee a one way trip to hell?

...the one Jesus doesn't forgive?
tulc(just a thought)

 

[david_x]

...the one Jesus doesn't forgive?
tulc(just a thought)

No your right, that was actually the answer I was looking for.

 

[DMagoh]

OK - let's cut to the chase here.

He still is attracted to guys - that makes him gay or bi. End of story.

OK - let's cut to the chase here.

He knows that homosexual behavior is sin, so he is spiritual enough to not do it. End of story.

 

[HaloHope]

Yes, very sad. It's typically called "spiritual abuse" and it is a growing problem. This is defined as any time an individual, group, or institution uses religion to justify telling or showing anyone they are not worthy of god’s full love and blessings. It's a very real issue, and is getting addressed more and more.

Good, I very much hope so. I think the main reason it saddens me personally is the fact I think of how very fulfilled I and many people I know are in their same-sex relationships, and I worry that when anyone (As I said before however I feel about the whole "ex-gay" thing I do realize I can't speak for the person in the OP) is bullied by their church into not being themselves (by "being yourself" I mean being yourself to the extent of not harming others) I think the psychological damage long term may be irrepreble. Gay people can live very loving, caring, same-sex relationships too. It saddens me greatly to think someone would starve themselves of that when I personally believe God has no problem with it whatsoever.

In fact I find the whole concept of a church ditacting someones life pretty disturbing in general, in my time away I met many thousands of Christians and was often surprised how many were so focussed on getting advice from people rather than God. I go to a number of churches, I may well ask someone in authority at the church to pray with me but my life is between me and God and totally nobody elses business. A pastor/preist/vicar or any member of the congeregation is still a human and as flawed as the rest of us.

 

[rizen1]

I'm just trying to figure out, why all the suspicion on him not wanting to be gay. Yes he's attracted to men he said so, but he his searching for truth. A truth that I hope he would find within. ​

If you feel for him, or in some time shared his feelings, why not support him and help him not be gay seeing that is what he wants. He is still young and should not be involve in sexual activities outside of marriage, so it is good that he is seeking to find out where his behavior is coming from and what to do.​

Why is it so hard for people to accept him not wanting to be gay.​

 

[BradC]

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Why is it so hard for people to accept him not wanting to be gay.​

Good question, because any answer given cannot be justified without bias or measure.

 

[DMagoh]

I'm just trying to figure out, why all the suspicion on him not wanting to be gay. Yes he's attracted to men he said so, but he his searching for truth. A truth that I hope he would find within. ​

If you feel for him, or in some time shared his feelings, why not support him and help him not be gay seeing that is what he wants. He is still young and should not be involve in sexual activities outside of marriage, so it is good that he is seeking to find out where his behavior is coming from and what to do.​

Why is it so hard for people to accept him not wanting to be gay.​

Amen Sister!

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Good question, because any answer given cannot be justified without bias or measure.

Well the whole point is that he starts out his video by stating "Im not gay" but goes on to explain in this video and a subsequent one that though he has Homosexual attractions, that he is not Gay. He claims that he has "SSA ' (same sex attractions) . Now thats the issue. The whole exgay movement is full of a lot of buzzwords, that to me are nothing but playing semantics with words. I am White and Irish, No I am a person of color and of celtic origins. hey , guess what ? They mean the same thing. If he digs guys, guess what, he digs guys. But to use clinical terms that are part and parcel of the exgay movement, such as SSA, to me is being disingenuous. Why don't people just admit that they are attracted to men and move on. Instead, we get clinical terms and verbal gymnastics, trying to obsfucate the fact that one is really Homosexual.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Well the whole point is that he starts out his video by stating "Im not gay" but goes on to explain in this video and a subsequent one that though he has Homosexual attractions, that he is not Gay. He claims that he has "SSA ' (same sex attractions) . Now thats the issue. The whole exgay movement is full of a lot of buzzwords, that to me are nothing but playing semantics with words. I am White and Irish, No I am a person of color and of celtic origins. hey , guess what ? They mean the same thing. If he digs guys, guess what, he digs guys. But to use clinical terms that are part and parcel of the exgay movement, such as SSA, to me is being disingenuous. Why don't people just admit that they are attracted to men and move on. Instead, we get clinical terms and verbal gymnastics, trying to obsfucate the fact that one is really Homosexual.

AB-SO-LUTE-LY!!! Amen my brutha. It is exactly what drives me up a wall and gets under my skin. Thank you for pointing it out. Why all the language gymnastics and the need to use buzz words or key phrases that mean the same thing as what one word does. SSA.... honestly. In the need to be "PC" or the need to not come across as a homosexual, but feel more comfortable saying "same sex attraction" is a bit much...but to each his own. No different than those that "receive" saying "i'm not gay"...it's on those that "give" that are. All the same thing. That being A JOKE.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Ok here is a testimony from an Exgay that has generated a lot of Buzz. I listened to his testimony and I was more confused at the end of testimony then at the beginning. Soooo listen to this kids testimony and let me know 'what say ye" Is this kid Gay , str8, or in denial ?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2kI6_BiPG8

That poor, confused boy.

He needs to sit down and work things out.

"I never was gay...I'm not gay."

And yet he's attracted to men.

The church has sown some horrible seeds in him. They will have to answer for this sin.

 

[david_x]

That poor, confused boy.

He needs to sit down and work things out.

"I never was gay...I'm not gay."

And yet he's attracted to men.

The church has sown some horrible seeds in him. They will have to answer for this sin.

They just don't understand the whole concept yet. At least they are trying and have not given up on it like you and many, many others.

 

[MrPirate]

That poor, confused boy.

He needs to sit down and work things out.

"I never was gay...I'm not gay."

And yet he's attracted to men.

The church has sown some horrible seeds in him. They will have to answer for this sin.

agreed

 

[MrPirate]

They just don't understand the whole concept yet. At least they are trying and have not given up on it like you and many, many others.

The whole concept?

The whole concept of what?
Denial?
Hatred?
Semantics?
False witness?

 

[david_x]

The whole concept?

The whole concept of what?
Denial?
Hatred?
Semantics?
False witness?

Homosexuality.

 

[TheManeki]

That poor, confused boy.

He needs to sit down and work things out.

"I never was gay...I'm not gay."

And yet he's attracted to men.

The church has sown some horrible seeds in him. They will have to answer for this sin.

I agree, CT.

[bible]Matthew 18:6[/bible]
[bible]Matthew 23:13[/bible]

 

[DMagoh]

I agree, CT.

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

That's funny considering all the folks on this forum trying to convince others to sin by condoning homosexuality.

Romans 1:2

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

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[TheManeki]

Thank you, DMagoh, for proving my point once again -- the Bible on this topic is unclear. Else why would we be citing the same passages for opposite conclusions? Remember, just because the Bible says the earth is at the center of the universe and doesn't move, it doesn't make it so.

You need to personally get to know some people like CT and Uber in your area -- in other words, study God's book of Creation -- and that will settle things for you.