Evolutions "transitional forms"

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Except that, depending on how you define things, we are not really an "ape". Most define hominids as something distinct from "apes" due to our bipedalism (according the recent Scientific American and Discover magazines).

Orangutans brachiate, chimpazees knuckle walk, and gorillas are quadrapedal.. Is bipedalism really such a drastic change as to class us differently? I remember another ape which was bipedal some of the time, if anyone knows the name of it.

 

[greeker57married]

In Genesis, Adam was an intelligent man not a pre-historic man. Evolution does away with man's fall into sin. It also does away with man's uniqueness as created in the image of God.

The fossil record by far supports creation better than evolution.

The Scripture. says God created everything according to its kind or species. Genetics backs this up. In order to have conception that RNA messenger has to line up with the code of a particular DNA chain. You cannot cross other species because the DNA and RnA will not match. In other words a dog cannot have a cat, a bear cannot have alion. That is why a mule cannot reproduce. It backs up creation according to its kind.



God Bless,John

 

[Jet Black]

In Genesis, Adam was an intelligent man not a pre-historic man. Evolution does away with man's fall into sin. It also does away with man's uniqueness as created in the image of God.

no it doesn't. don't we all fall into sin, or do we get to blame it all on adam? adam is most likey a metaphor describing all men. (I will let others go into the dirt and hearth things)

The fossil record by far supports creation better than evolution.

oh like all the transitional forms... heh. if you are going to make baseless statements like this, then you had better back them up.

The Scripture. says God created everything according to its kind or species. Genetics backs this up. In order to have conception that RNA messenger has to line up with the code of a particular DNA chain. You cannot cross other species because the DNA and RnA will not match. In other words a dog cannot have a cat, a bear cannot have alion. That is why a mule cannot reproduce. It backs up creation according to its kind.



God Bless,John

see a ha! first of all the mRNA is actually constructed FROM the DNA, it's like a book is constructed FROM the printing press so your argument there is nonsensical. Genetics actually backs up evolution, unless you want to explain HERVs ERVs transposons, dead genes and identical chromosome banding to apes, and telomeres in the middle of human chromosome (2 I think) which looks exactly like a chromosome splicing of 2 ape chromosomes.

and for the coup de grace, there are several examples of mules and hinny's that can breed, so that is a stab in the head for breeding according to it's kind.... well, until you change the definition of kind at any rate which you undoubtedly will

 

[David Gould]

The fossil record by far supports creation better than evolution.

Examples?

The Scripture. says God created everything according to its kind or species. Genetics backs this up. In order to have conception that RNA messenger has to line up with the code of a particular DNA chain. You cannot cross other species because the DNA and RnA will not match. In other words a dog cannot have a cat, a bear cannot have alion. That is why a mule cannot reproduce. It backs up creation according to its kind.



God Bless,John

Define 'kind'. Is a domestic cat the same 'kind' as a feral cat? Are feral cats in North America the same 'kind' as feral cats in Australia? If I gave or showed you a DNA sample of two animals what would tell you that they are the same or different 'kinds'?

If there is no way of telling which animals are in certain 'kinds', then the word is meaningless.

 

[greeker57married]

Share with me the transitional forms, the DNA And RNA amino acids have to be compatible

 

[Christiangamer]

I saw a kid were a shirt with that evolution graphic. Made me laugh, but I think the kid was questioned by the staff. I am a Christian evolutionist, I believe in evolution, though i dont think its 100% correct, after all its a theory. But it holds more water than God just made everything go Poof! God created earth, then man, not the Scribe, then earth, then man. The way I look at it, the bottom line is God created earth, whether by evolution or creationism. The old testement phrophesises the coming of a messiah. The new testement is about who seems like the best choice, you know...Christ. I believe christ is my savior, I am a christian. Mind the typos.


God bless.

 

[Christiangamer]

Share with me the transitional forms, the DNA And RNA amino acids have to be compatible

Evolution theorizes genetic mutations. what could have done this, i guess God.

 

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Share with me the transitional forms, the DNA And RNA amino acids have to be compatible

Sure.

The first skull and the last skull are 97% genetically identical in both DNA and RNA.

 

[greeker57married]

Creation according to species allows for varieties in species. there are many kinds of cats, but they are still cats, Creation also allows for adaption to ones enviroment.

What about the fall of man evolution does away with that. I believe the Bible teaches their is a gap between the animal kingdom and man.

God creating the earth by fiat creation is fabulous, why not let God be God. The Hebrew Word "bara" means to create out of nothing.

I don't doubt that you are a Christian. I respect your viewpoint but cannot agree with theistic evolution.

 

[greeker57married]

Dear friend you stillhave not shown me any transitional forms in the fossil record.

 

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Dear friend you stillhave not shown me any transitional forms in the fossil record.

Erm.

*points at post*

 

[David Gould]

Creation according to species allows for varieties in species.

Is species equivalent to kind, then?

there are many kinds of cats,

There are many 'kinds' of cats?

but they are still cats,

Are they?

Creation also allows for adaption to ones enviroment.

Which is basically evolution ...

 

[greeker57married]

The skulls that you showed are not conclusive. The many of thoses skulls may well be different kinds of ape skulls, according to creation scientist. It is how you look at the data.

David,

variation in species is not evolution. Changing for one species into another is evolution.

 

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The skulls that you showed are not conclusive. The many of thoses skulls may well be different kinds of ape skulls, according to creation scientist. It is how you look at the data.

Tell me how you interpret them then. Do you see an increase in brain cavity? A reduction in jaw, teeth, and brow ridges?

Would it interest you to know that apart from the first these are not lined up in order of similarities, but by the date of the strata they are found in?

 

[David Gould]

David,

variation in species is not evolution. Changing for one species into another is evolution.

Do you realise that there has been observed speciation - that is, one species changing into another?

As such, if that is evolution then you have just admitted that evolution happens.

I will post the links for you in a moment.

 

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Dear friend you stillhave not shown me any transitional forms in the fossil record.

Archeopteryx. Part bird, part dinosaur.

 

[David Gould]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf054/sf054b06.htm

 

[Jet Black]

the DNA And RNA amino acids have to be compatible

I already explained that this bit of your argument makes no sense. the RNA is copied from the DNA.

ATGC -> UACG

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Creation according to species allows for varieties in species. there are many kinds of cats, but they are still cats, Creation also allows for adaption to ones enviroment.

Would you consider lions and house cats to be of the same "kind"? Just curious...