Evolution's Brick Wall

[Ophiolite]

There has been and still will be a thread about such. The Creator is full of Intelligence, Power, and Purpose.

It is Him people are to seek for final conclusion on things. And expect to wait until He chooses to reveal. Wait in patience. In full dependence in Him showing or you will not know.

This very subject of learning that evolution is conjecture-based was used to "open me" rather than make me closed minded and confirmation-bias.

It was in openness and sensitivity to Him, even dependence, to show if there is something different than evolution that brought the glorious point of Him opening the heavens, and baptizing me in His Holy Spirit, giving me a firsthand experience of Him On High. Even His Holiness.

Yes, how people react to what they are exposed to is critical in what waits ahead for them - crowd following or not.

There is Divine Planned Purpose why the vast fossil record shows zero evidence that evolution ever happened. Only conjecture.

When do you intend to respond to my thread concerning the increase of complexity of ammonite sutures during the Mezozoic? That process directly contradicts your repeated claims that there is no fossil evidence. Your repeated failure to address this casts you in a very negative light. How many times do I have to ask for a response?

 

[xianghua]

I'm asking specifically about fossils that demonstrate a morphological progression from a land mammals to aquatic mammals.

Do you think that is just a coincidence?

yep. unless you can show me otherwise.

 

[pitabread]

yep. unless you can show me otherwise.

Where do you think those creatures came from then?

 

[xianghua]

Where do you think those creatures came from then?

they were created by design.

 

[pitabread]

they were created by design.

How were they created?

 

[Colter]

How were they created?

The Gods create them. Just like AI is created by human mind, human mind and personality is designed and bestowed by our creators.

 

[pitabread]

The Gods create them.

I am asking how they were created, not who.

 

[Colter]

I am asking how they were created, not who.

errrm, I concede, I do not know how God created personality or life forms. But in the Urantia revelation we are told more about the creation and implantation of the primitive life forms from which life as we know it evolved.

 

[NBB]

I am asking how they were created, not who.

If you understand that God is spirit, and all powerful, and infinetely smart then he created all with intelligence and with his power making what it was nothing into something.

 

[NBB]

Ignoring natural selection doesn't make it go away

My point is that random mutation is the builder natural selection validates what is being build by random mutation, is silly to believe that random mutation will build organs and body parts. That is just as 'magical' as believing in God. At least God is true.

 

[NBB]

You should inform yourself a bit.
The mistakes you make, makes it sound as if you never received any education in biology at all.

Is what they say more or less, an amoeba evolved with a lot of descedants to humans...
The evolutionary biology that says with the same process we can get an insects and humans? very creative this evolution thing...

 

[Job 33:6]

My point is that random mutation is the builder natural selection OKS what is being build by random mutation, is silly to believe that random mutation will build organs and body parts. That is just as 'magical' as believing in God. At least God is true.

OKS like an oak tree? What is OKS?

 

[NBB]

OKS like an oak tree? What is OKS?

I edited that.

 

[Job 33:6]

My point is that random mutation is the builder natural selection validates what is being build by random mutation, is silly to believe that random mutation will build organs and body parts. That is just as 'magical' as believing in God. At least God is true.

Well, it sounds like you just said that "natural selection validates what is being built". I think that, most would agree that if not for something like natural selection, mutations would not be able to construct organs and body parts alone.

And actually, in the early stages of complex life, before natural selection was really fine tuned, there were many bizarre animals that lived and died and were captured in the fossil succession.

There were many bizarre animals with many eyeballs and weird legs and strange shrimp looking claws and leaf like animal oddities.

 

[DogmaHunter]

how many mutations required to change a land mammal into a whale?

I'm sure the amount of mutational differences between genomes can be calculated by approximation in some way or another. A geneticist might be able to help with that.

But more importantly, it's not relevant to the point being made.
The claim was that there are no sequence of fossils depicting evolutionary change. That claim is clearly incorrect.

 

[pitabread]

he created all with intelligence and with his power making what it was nothing into something.

But how did they do it?

 

[DogmaHunter]

My point is that random mutation is the builder

It's not.
It's just one part of the process.

natural selection validates what is being build by random mutation, is silly to believe that random mutation will build organs and body parts.

Random mutation by itself, indeed won't accomplish anything.
If you follow it up by natural selection however, optimisational change in context of the immediate habitat, is inevitable.

That is just as 'magical' as believing in God. At least God is true.

Well, at least you acknowledge that believing in gods is like believing in magic.......

Natural processes however, like biological evolution, are the exact opposite of magic.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Is what they say more or less, an amoeba evolved with a lot of descedants to humans...
The evolutionary biology that says with the same process we can get an insects and humans? very creative this evolution thing...

If you're not going to bother on informing yourself on how exactly this process works and how we know what we know about it, and how all the independend lines of evidence all converge on that same process,...

Well... you're just gonna end up missing the point and thinking you have a valid argument, while all you have is actually willfull ignorance. Nothing to be particularly proud off...

 

[NBB]

But how did they do it?

If you have the power and intelligence to do something, then you do it because you can, but how exactly happened nobody knows, probably the creativity of God started being applied by his power, even in theistic evolution, evolution in this case is just an anecdote the important part is that it was God design making things possible because he could.
It says that God through faith and his power made things from what it was nothing. Speaking them into existance by the power of the Holy spirit.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you have the power and intelligence to do something, then you do it because you can, but how exactly happened nobody knows, probably the creativity of God started being applied by his power, even in theistic evolution, evolution in this case is just an anecdote the important part is that it was God design making things possible because he could.

There you go. You don't actually care about how life or diversity came about. You only care about praising the god you believe in.

That's cool, but just be honest about it.
Truth doesn't interest you as much as "believing" does.