Evolutionists, please respond.

[TLK Valentine]

An education can come from a university or from elsewhere, but it does not come from a diploma mill.

Furthermore, there's no reason to link a hard working man like Sir Francis Bacon to a parasite like "Dr." Ross.

 

[AV1611VET]

And where did [home schooled] Francis Bacon, the creator of empiricism and founder of the Baconian method (a.k.a., the scientific method), get his degree?

An education can come from a university or from elsewhere, but it does not come from a diploma mill.

And where did [home schooled] Francis Bacon, the creator of empiricism and founder of the Baconian method (a.k.a., the scientific method), get his degree?

 

[TLK Valentine]

And where did [home schooled] Francis Bacon, the creator of empiricism and founder of the Baconian method (a.k.a., the scientific method), get his degree?

From a level of hard work and dedication that a parasite like "Dr." Ross and his ilk avoid like the plague.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

And where did [home schooled] Francis Bacon, the creator of empiricism and founder of the Baconian method (a.k.a., the scientific method), get his degree?

He was educated at the University of Poitiers, but never had an academic degree. Are you comparing Bacon to Ross?

 

[TLK Valentine]

He was educated at the University of Poitiers, but never had an academic degree. Are you comparing Bacon to Ross?

But of course he is -- How else can he elevate Ross' status? Certainly not on his own merits...

 

[AV1611VET]

From a level of hard work and dedication that a parasite like "Dr." Ross and his ilk avoid like the plague.

And where did [home schooled] Francis Bacon, the creator of empiricism and founder of the Baconian method (a.k.a., the scientific method), get his degree?

 

[AV1611VET]

He was educated at the University of Poitiers, but never had an academic degree.

Then this:

Maybe he got his degree from some mail-order place?

... can take a hike.

Are you comparing Bacon to Ross?

No.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Then this:

... can take a hike.

Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

But of course he is -- How else can he elevate Ross' status? Certainly not on his own merits...

In case you don't know this ... Jesus didn't have a degree, either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

Because it doesn't matter where he got his degree, if it doesn't matter if a degree isn't needed; does it?

Information is information, whether the precipitator of that information has a degree or not.

Do computers have college degrees?

 

[StormanNorman]

Ross seems like a smart guy and is certainly an expert in his field, astronomy. But, outside of astronomy, he falls victim to the "cart before the horse" syndrome; he already has the answer he wants to be true and desperately interprets any and all information to fit that answer.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Because it doesn't matter where he got his degree, if it doesn't matter if a degree isn't needed; does it?

Information is information, whether the precipitator of that information has a degree or not.

Absolutely; arguments should be based on their own merits, not on the qualifications of their promoter. But the issue isn't that his degree automatically disproves any argument he makes (poisoning the well is a fallacy, after all); rather, the issue is that he's using it to bolster otherwise lackluster arguments.

"I have a degree, therefore I'm right" is a fallacy, whether it's Ross or Hawking who says it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Absolutely; arguments should be based on their own merits, not on the qualifications of their promoter.

Then this:

Maybe he got his degree from some mail-order place?

... can take a hike.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then this:

... can take a hike.

No, Hovind's mail order degree illustrates his dishonesty.

He wants the credibility of having a degree but he was not willing to do the work necessary to own one. A person can argue that his point of view is correct even if he does not have a degree. He better be able to back up his claims with facts.

The reason why authority is often trusted is that when they are challenged they can back up their claims with facts. Hovind couldn't. His favorite debating tool was the strawman. No one could build up and tear down strawmen like hovind could. Of course you should know what Commandment that is a violation of.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

No, Hovind's mail order degree illustrates his dishonesty.

Aren't we talking about Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a legitimate degree in astronomy?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

In case you don't know this ... Jesus didn't have a degree, either.

Wasn't Jesus supposed to have been a carpenter? I expect anything he had to say about carpentry would have been on the money. That's the point though. If someone holds up a degree as proof of a certain level of competency in a particular field and then proceeds to talk rubbish about it, it casts doubts on their degree (hence the mail order gag). It's rather as if someone who claimed to be a professional carpenter didn't know one end of a chisel from the other. You'd start to have doubts about them too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Aren't we talking about Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a legitimate degree in astronomy?

It seemed that chilehd made a reference to Hovind, the comment about a mail order degree, and that AVET was using his old "take a hike" statement he makes whenever he knows that he is wrong.

I saw the gross error that Ross made in the minute or so of video that AVET wanted us to watch and realized at that point anything he had to say would be simply GIGO.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, Hovind's mail order degree illustrates his dishonesty.

He wants the credibility of having a degree but he was not willing to do the work necessary to own one. A person can argue that his point of view is correct even if he does not have a degree. He better be able to back up his claims with facts.

The reason why authority is often trusted is that when they are challenged they can back up their claims with facts. Hovind couldn't. His favorite debating tool was the strawman. No one could build up and tear down strawmen like hovind could. Of course you should know what Commandment that is a violation of.

Um ... we're not talking about Mr. Hovind, are we?

We're talking about Doctor Hugh Ross, aren't we?

But ... hey ... it doesn't matter, does it? they're both dishonest, aren't they?

After all, it's not what we say that counts -- it's what we are, isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Aren't we talking about Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a legitimate degree in astronomy?

I have a feeling it doesn't matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wasn't Jesus supposed to have been a carpenter? I expect anything he had to say about carpentry would have been on the money. That's the point though. If someone holds up a degree as proof of a certain level of competency in a particular field and then proceeds to talk rubbish about it, it casts doubts on their degree (hence the mail order gag). It's rather as if someone who claimed to be a professional carpenter didn't know one end of a chisel from the other. You'd start to have doubts about them too.

So Jesus is wrong too?