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Why don't you at least tell us what ERV stands for? I can ask the same kind of garbage.

ERV stands for "endogenous retro-virus". These are viruses that insert themselves in a genome, pretty much at random. Some are harmless, some are not.

Please explain CESs in nature using evolution?

What is a CES? look for it.

I translated ERV. You translate CES. As I tried to point out earlier, evolution does not explain everything, nor does it try to explain everything, nor does it claim to explain everything. So maybe "CES" can't be explained by evolution. I have a hunch it might be explained by psychiatry.

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Maybe your talking about
Energy Recovery Ventilator


Well God made people and people made
Energy Recovery Ventilators


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Try endogenous retrovirus.

Which reminded me of this quote:
JohnR7 said:
LOL, I think that I am the one that is missing something. Because I fail to see how "glyphosate" resistant weeds is an arguement FOR evolution. I do not even know what glyphosate is so how can that be evidence for anything. Maybe for you it is evidence, for me it is just a word that I do not know the meaning of.
 
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What gaps?
Lots of Gaps. That is why the scientific community cannot agree. Fossil gaps, Gaps in complexity, dismissed with a "what if" or a "could have".
Gaps in domestic animals. Where did the chicken come from? If not for man these animals probably would not survive.

Evolution takes millions of years. Thats weird that it only took 6,000 years for wild animals to evolve into docile non defensive animals. like sheep.
First domesticated animal is supposedly a dog. that happened 6,000 yrs ago. The bible says they were created domestic. That makes more sense than a 6,000 year evolutionary transformation.

I don’t think you grasp the concept of “the God of the gaps”. It refers to the phenomenon of religious folks filling the gaps in scientific knowledge by saying “God did it.”
I know how it is used. I'm using it different. Darwin is the god of gaps, Gaps in where life cam from, gaps in the fossil record, gaps on how all the pretty, fluffy, lovable creatures came from.

Evolution is the theory of survival of the fittest, adaption, and natural selection. If that was the case why are there cute creatures and plants. Wouldn't everything have evolved to protect itself? How does sheep protect itself? They don't. Wolves can go in and pick which one it wants. They just run around and make lots of noise so the humans can come and protect them.

Lightning flashes from the sky. The ignorant witness covers the gap in his knowledge by saying, “God did it.” Now we know about electricity. We no longer need to suppose that some magical sky-man was shooting fiery arrows.

An arc of colors appears in the sky after a rain, and the witch doctor says, “God has placed his bow in the heavens.” Now we know about the refraction and reflection of light by water droplets. It has nothing to do with divine archery.

Your correct we have made many discoveries in science. It does not dismiss God.
Why had no one ever seen a rainbow before Noah?
Here is a little bible science for you. In the bible it says the earth was surrounded by water.

Genesis1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God made the air in between the waters. waters in the heavens and waters on the Earth. This would create a nice canopy around the planet, that kept heat in. The whole Earth was tropical. Thats why tropical plant fossils are every where.

Plus according to Genesis the plants were watered by a mist that came out of the ground.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

We know this is possible. We still see this happen today, just not at the same scale.

Now when the great flood happened all the water that was above came down to the earth, opened the Earth to space for the first time and froze mammoth's in Siberia with food still in his mouth. and for the first time in history man saw sunlight filter through rain drops. They saw a rainbow for the first time. That is why Noah and his family were in awe of it. They had never seen one. They didn't understand how it happened, but we do.

God created the way for a rainbow. Not the rainbow itself.

The Bible might be evidence of what primitive ignorant people believed a few thousand years ago, but it is not evidence of its own claims.
Than prove it wrong.

In the year 1066 C.E., Harold Bluetooth prophesied that George Washington would cross the Delaware river and defeat the British at Trenton. Voila! Harold Bluetooth was a prophet! By your reasoning, that proves everything I write is true!

That is impressive that he was able to prophecies after he was dead. Born 911; died 1 November, 985 or 986. Plus I can't find a prophecy that he made. Maybe you can point me in the right direction. Because that would be really cool to see. A man that named the Delaware, Trenton and George Washington hundreds of years before any of that was discovered. Plus if it is true. Where did he get the vision? Evolution?

Evolution explains the observed diversity of living things (and of dead things). It does not try to explain physics, chemistry, geology, meteorology, or cosmology, although those disciplines can help explain evolution.!
That is a cop out. They're all connected, one would not happen with out the other. Evolution is part of the big picture. according to evolution physics, chemistry, geology, meteorology, or cosmology. All had to happen for life to even start somewhere and help create the diversity.
Water is formed when two atoms of hydrogen combing with one atom of oxygen, releasing energy. Iron is formed by the fusion of lighter elements in the core of a star. Gold is formed when stars go super-nova. Dirt is weathered rock with some organic waste.

You missed the point. Where did hydrogen come from? or Helium. How do they know the Big bang created these things from nothing. There had to be something there. What made the stars to make the Iron and Gold? How could Hydrogen and helium be products of an explosion. What would have caused the explosion. Something had to be there to explode. Where did that stuff come from. Your explanation is lacking evidence. Matter does not just come into existence from an explosion. Or we would see that phenomenon still happening. Matter created by explosion.

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Evolution is the theory of survival of the fittest, adaption, and natural selection. If that was the case why are there cute creatures and plants. Wouldn't everything have evolved to protect itself? How does sheep protect itself? They don't. Wolves can go in and pick which one it wants. They just run around and make lots of noise so the humans can come and protect them.

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Evolution is the theory of survival of the fittest, adaption, and natural selection. If that was the case why are there cute creatures and plants. Wouldn't everything have evolved to protect itself? How does sheep protect itself? They don't. Wolves can go in and pick which one it wants. They just run around and make lots of noise so the humans can come and protect them.

I think your misunderstanding what 'fittest' means. It doesn't mean the strongest, meanest, or biggest. It means best able to survive to sire another generation.

Rabbits may be cute and furry, but don't let that fool you. They are fast, they burrow for safety, and they breed like...well like rabbits. Wolves may pick off many, but it only takes a few to make the next generation of rabbits.

Fittest may also mean slowest, if that is an advantage. Or smallest, or hides well. Not everything would have to have to kill to survive.

First domesticated animal is supposedly a dog. that happened 6,000 yrs ago. The bible says they were created domestic. That makes more sense than a 6,000 year evolutionary transformation.

Try 10,000 to 20,000 years.

Genesis1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God made the air in between the waters. waters in the heavens and waters on the Earth. This would create a nice canopy around the planet, that kept heat in. The whole Earth was tropical. Thats why tropical plant fossils are every where.

Plus according to Genesis the plants were watered by a mist that came out of the ground.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

We know this is possible. We still see this happen today, just not at the same scale.

Now when the great flood happened all the water that was above came down to the earth, opened the Earth to space for the first time and froze mammoth's in Siberia with food still in his mouth. and for the first time in history man saw sunlight filter through rain drops. They saw a rainbow for the first time. That is why Noah and his family were in awe of it. They had never seen one. They didn't understand how it happened, but we do.

God created the way for a rainbow. Not the rainbow itself.

Funny, there is no evidence for the flood. Here are six arguments against it.
 
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Then explain ERVs to me in light of creationism.

Well, if Adam was created with a navel, it would be evidence of a gestation that he never experienced; likewise, if he was made with an ERV in his genome, it would be evidence of a viral infection that never occurred. The same goes for the first created monkey.

Genome similarities are overrated IMHO. After all, "Junk" DNA, which shows us to be more different, is not Junk.
 
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But just because ninety-nine percent of scientists are evolutionists does not make evolution true.

What about the fact that contemporary evolutionary biology, including common descent, has real world application in various bio-related fields like agriculture, medicine, pathology, forestry, conservation biology, etc? And meanwhile, creationism has zero scientific application. Why does no creationist ever talk about this?

A few more threads on the subject of applied evolution for good measure.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6428639
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6430930
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7187310
 
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Lots of Gaps. That is why the scientific community cannot agree.

Such gaps exist in each and every field of science. Why is the expansion of the universe accelerating? Can the universe be completely described in terms of a cellular automaton? Where does mass come from?

The existence of these gaps in no way invalidates the things we do know. In the case of evolution, some of the things we know are that the life forms existing today are descended from one or a small number of primitive unicellular life forms that existed billions of years ago. We know that natural selection and mutation can account for such variation.

Fossil gaps, Gaps in complexity, dismissed with a "what if" or a "could have". Gaps in domestic animals. Where did the chicken come from? If not for man these animals probably would not survive.

The Grey Jungle Fowl of Ceylon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/29/scichicken129.xml

Evolution takes millions of years. Thats weird that it only took 6,000 years for wild animals to evolve into docile non defensive animals. like sheep.

Evolution is a continuous process, often with long periods of near-statis punctuated by periods of rapid change. Not all evolutionary changes require millions of years. Good examples include the evolution of antibiotic resistance, the advent of nylon-eating bacteria, and the speciation of mosquitoes in the London Underground. These all happened in recent history.

BTW, domestic sheep don't radically differ physiologically from wild sheep. The selective breeding of domestic sheep has nothing on the proliferation of dog breeds in the past 200 years, and even that poses absolutely no difficulty for the theory of evolution.

First domesticated animal is supposedly a dog. that happened 6,000 yrs ago. The bible says they were created domestic. That makes more sense than a 6,000 year evolutionary transformation.

Do you ever do any research before you post?

1. The domestication of the dog goes back at least 9 000 years, and possibly as far as 14 000 years.

2. It doesn't take thousands of years to domesticate wild animals. In fact you can make great strides towards domestication in your own lifetime, if you're so inclined. I suggest you start by examining Russia's domestication experiments with the silver fox.

I know how it is used. I'm using it different. Darwin is the god of gaps, Gaps in where life cam from, gaps in the fossil record, gaps on how all the pretty, fluffy, lovable creatures came from.

That's not what the God of the Gaps is. When there is a gap in our knowledge of evolution, we simply admit we don't know what goes there and set out to find it.

The "God of the Gaps" is what you're doing - in the absence of an explanation, appealing to a supernatural cause that admits no testing or inquiry and pretending you've found an answer.

Evolution is the theory of survival of the fittest, adaption, and natural selection. If that was the case why are there cute creatures and plants.

I don't know if I've ever seen a plant I would call "cute". Some plants produce bright flowers because they rely on insects to spread their pollen. Some plants produce attractive fruit because they rely on animals to spread their seeds. Most animals need to be attractive to the opposite sex, and babies that take a long time to mature need to hold adults' attention and tug at their heartstrings. Being ugly isn't some kind of "one-size-fits-all" survival strategy, and I'm dumbfounded as to why you would imagine it was.

Wouldn't everything have evolved to protect itself? How does sheep protect itself? They don't. Wolves can go in and pick which one it wants. They just run around and make lots of noise so the humans can come and protect them.

Domestic sheep are, well, domesticated. We bred the agression and out of them because (get this) we want to eat them. Go out into the Rockies and pick a fight with a bighorn ram; I guarantee you'll see the difference.

Your correct we have made many discoveries in science. It does not dismiss God.

Of course not.

Why had no one ever seen a rainbow before Noah?

There's no reason to suppose Noah ever existed, and even sillier to suggest that there were no rainbows more than 4500 years ago.

Here is a little bible science for you. In the bible it says the earth was surrounded by water.

Genesis1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God made the air in between the waters. waters in the heavens and waters on the Earth. This would create a nice canopy around the planet, that kept heat in. The whole Earth was tropical. Thats why tropical plant fossils are every where.

1. What kept the water up?

2. Where is this canopy now?

Plus according to Genesis the plants were watered by a mist that came out of the ground.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

What happened to this mechanism?

We know this is possible. We still see this happen today, just not at the same scale.

Why do you suppose it isn't at the same scale?

Now when the great flood happened all the water that was above came down to the earth, opened the Earth to space for the first time and froze mammoth's in Siberia with food still in his mouth. and for the first time in history man saw sunlight filter through rain drops. They saw a rainbow for the first time. That is why Noah and his family were in awe of it. They had never seen one. They didn't understand how it happened, but we do.

God created the way for a rainbow. Not the rainbow itself.

Than prove it wrong.

Glad to. If this "Vapor Canopy" were to contain even a significant fraction of the water needed to flood the earth, its weight would increase the air pressure at ground level to the point that the earth would be uninhabitable. Further, the heat from all that vapor condensing in a short timeframe would steam-sterilize the entire planet.


That is a cop out.

No, that's just clear thinking. It makes no more sense to appeal to evolution to explain cosmology than it does to appeal to aerodynamics to explain acid-base chemistry.

They're all connected, one would not happen with out the other. Evolution is part of the big picture.

Of course it is. That doesn't mean it's the whole big picture. Evolution has its part to play in explaining the universe, and that part is explaining the diversity of life on earth.

according to evolution physics, chemistry, geology, meteorology, or cosmology.

This isn't even a sentence, so you'll have to explain it a little.

All had to happen for life to even start somewhere and help create the diversity.

Let's do a little word association, shall we?

Evolution is to __________ as nuclear decay is to Physics.

Physics, Chemistry, Cosmology, Meteorology, and Biology are sciences. They don't happen. They just are. Evolution is a theory within Biology.

You missed the point. Where did hydrogen come from?

The condensation of quarks from the Big Bang. Hydrogen formation is pretty much unavoidable when the quarks are present and the temperature isn't unbelievably high.

or Helium.

Nuclear fusion.

How do they know the Big bang created these things from nothing. There had to be something there.

The Big Bang doesn't say these things came from nothing. It brings us back to a point where everything is extremely hot and compacted and that's currently as far back as our knowledge extends.

Seriously, you've been instructed on this before.

What made the stars to make the Iron and Gold?

Gravity. Gravity makes matter in space clump together. In the early universe it was pretty much all hydrogen gas doing the clumping. Get enough hydrogen together in space and its own weight will initiate nuclear fusion.

How could Hydrogen and helium be products of an explosion.

Hydrogen was a product of the cooling off of the universe. The Big Bang was an expansion of space itself, not some kind of overgrown firecracker.

What would have caused the explosion. Something had to be there to explode. Where did that stuff come from.

Welcome to the frontiers of physics.

Your explanation is lacking evidence.

No, it's lacking scope, namely an explanation that goes back further than our current understanding. Physicists and astronomers are working on those questions and advancing our knowledge, which is more than I can say for creationists and theologians.

Matter does not just come into existence from an explosion. Or we would see that phenomenon still happening. Matter created by explosion.

The Big Bang model never says it did, so you can drop that now.
 
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ERV stands for "endogenous retro-virus". These are viruses that insert themselves in a genome, pretty much at random. Some are harmless, some are not.
Thank you. There are thousands of abbreviations. You just don't know now a days.

Anyways, Are viruses alive. That is the question. Where does it come from. Remember Satan killed all of Jobs children and livestock. Plus gave him boils.

Now I'm not saying Satan can create life. He can't. Viruses are not considered alive. He creates these things to destroy man.

Fire is more alive than a Viruses. Fire eats, breathes, moves, produces waste, can be killed and can die. A Virus just exist. they don't move around by themselves, they don't need air, they don't die, they don't eat.


I translated ERV. You translate CES. As I tried to point out earlier, evolution does not explain everything, nor does it try to explain everything, nor does it claim to explain everything. So maybe "CES" can't be explained by evolution. I have a hunch it might be explained by psychiatry.


Ha Ha Psychiatry. Well I happen to be a person that suffers from CES. Cauda Equina Syndrome. This causes people not to be able to urinate on their own. I have to use catheters to urinate. It's great that evolution has decided that making pee is ok. But your not allowed to get rid of it. Ha ha. Your funny. It must be psychological.

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Lots of Gaps. That is why the scientific community cannot agree.

Such gaps exist in each and every field of science. Why is the expansion of the universe accelerating? Can the universe be completely described in terms of a cellular automaton? Where does mass come from?

The existence of these gaps in no way invalidates the things we do know. In the case of evolution, some of the things we know are that the life forms existing today are descended from one or a small number of primitive unicellular life forms that existed billions of years ago. We know that natural selection and mutation can account for such variation.

Fossil gaps, Gaps in complexity, dismissed with a "what if" or a "could have". Gaps in domestic animals. Where did the chicken come from? If not for man these animals probably would not survive.

The Grey Jungle Fowl of Ceylon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/29/scichicken129.xml

Evolution takes millions of years. Thats weird that it only took 6,000 years for wild animals to evolve into docile non defensive animals. like sheep.

Evolution is a continuous process, often with long periods of near-statis punctuated by periods of rapid change. Not all evolutionary changes require millions of years. Good examples include the evolution of antibiotic resistance, the advent of nylon-eating bacteria, and the speciation of mosquitoes in the London Underground. These all happened in recent history.

BTW, domestic sheep don't radically differ physiologically from wild sheep. The selective breeding of domestic sheep has nothing on the proliferation of dog breeds in the past 200 years, and even that poses absolutely no difficulty for the theory of evolution.

First domesticated animal is supposedly a dog. that happened 6,000 yrs ago. The bible says they were created domestic. That makes more sense than a 6,000 year evolutionary transformation.

Do you ever do any research before you post?

1. The domestication of the dog goes back at least 9 000 years, and possibly as far as 14 000 years.

2. It doesn't take thousands of years to domesticate wild animals. In fact you can make great strides towards domestication in your own lifetime, if you're so inclined. I suggest you start by examining Russia's domestication experiments with the silver fox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tame_Silver_Fox

I know how it is used. I'm using it different. Darwin is the god of gaps, Gaps in where life cam from, gaps in the fossil record, gaps on how all the pretty, fluffy, lovable creatures came from.

That's not what the God of the Gaps is. When there is a gap in our knowledge of evolution, we simply admit we don't know what goes there and set out to find it.

The "God of the Gaps" is what you're doing - in the absence of an explanation, appealing to a supernatural cause that admits no testing or inquiry and pretending you've found an answer.

Evolution is the theory of survival of the fittest, adaption, and natural selection. If that was the case why are there cute creatures and plants.

I don't know if I've ever seen a plant I would call "cute". Some plants produce bright flowers because they rely on insects to spread their pollen. Some plants produce attractive fruit because they rely on animals to spread their seeds. Most animals need to be attractive to the opposite sex, and babies that take a long time to mature need to hold adults' attention and tug at their heartstrings. Being ugly isn't some kind of "one-size-fits-all" survival strategy, and I'm dumbfounded as to why you would imagine it was.

Wouldn't everything have evolved to protect itself? How does sheep protect itself? They don't. Wolves can go in and pick which one it wants. They just run around and make lots of noise so the humans can come and protect them.

Domestic sheep are, well, domesticated. We bred the agression and out of them because (get this) we want to eat them. Go out into the Rockies and pick a fight with a bighorn ram; I guarantee you'll see the difference.

Your correct we have made many discoveries in science. It does not dismiss God.

Of course not.

Why had no one ever seen a rainbow before Noah?

There's no reason to suppose Noah ever existed, and even sillier to suggest that there were no rainbows more than 4500 years ago.

Here is a little bible science for you. In the bible it says the earth was surrounded by water.

Genesis1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God made the air in between the waters. waters in the heavens and waters on the Earth. This would create a nice canopy around the planet, that kept heat in. The whole Earth was tropical. Thats why tropical plant fossils are every where.

1. What kept the water up?

2. Where is this canopy now?

Plus according to Genesis the plants were watered by a mist that came out of the ground.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

What happened to this mechanism?

We know this is possible. We still see this happen today, just not at the same scale.

Why do you suppose it isn't at the same scale?

Now when the great flood happened all the water that was above came down to the earth, opened the Earth to space for the first time and froze mammoth's in Siberia with food still in his mouth. and for the first time in history man saw sunlight filter through rain drops. They saw a rainbow for the first time. That is why Noah and his family were in awe of it. They had never seen one. They didn't understand how it happened, but we do.

God created the way for a rainbow. Not the rainbow itself.

Than prove it wrong.

Glad to. If this "Vapor Canopy" were to contain even a significant fraction of the water needed to flood the earth, its weight would increase the air pressure at ground level to the point that the earth would be uninhabitable. Further, the heat from all that vapor condensing in a short timeframe would steam-sterilize the entire planet.


That is a cop out.

No, that's just clear thinking. It makes no more sense to appeal to evolution to explain cosmology than it does to appeal to aerodynamics to explain acid-base chemistry.

They're all connected, one would not happen with out the other. Evolution is part of the big picture.

Of course it is. That doesn't mean it's the whole big picture. Evolution has its part to play in explaining the universe, and that part is explaining the diversity of life on earth.

according to evolution physics, chemistry, geology, meteorology, or cosmology.

This isn't even a sentence, so you'll have to explain it a little.

All had to happen for life to even start somewhere and help create the diversity.

Let's do a little word association, shall we?

Evolution is to __________ as nuclear decay is to Physics.

Physics, Chemistry, Cosmology, Meteorology, and Biology are sciences. They don't happen. They just are. Evolution is a theory within Biology.

You missed the point. Where did hydrogen come from?

The condensation of quarks from the Big Bang. Hydrogen formation is pretty much unavoidable when the quarks are present and the temperature isn't unbelievably high.

or Helium.

Nuclear fusion.

How do they know the Big bang created these things from nothing. There had to be something there.

The Big Bang doesn't say these things came from nothing. It brings us back to a point where everything is extremely hot and compacted and that's currently as far back as our knowledge extends.

Seriously, you've been instructed on this before.

What made the stars to make the Iron and Gold?

Gravity. Gravity makes matter in space clump together. In the early universe it was pretty much all hydrogen gas doing the clumping. Get enough hydrogen together in space and its own weight will initiate nuclear fusion.

How could Hydrogen and helium be products of an explosion.

Hydrogen was a product of the cooling off of the universe. The Big Bang was an expansion of space itself, not some kind of overgrown firecracker.

What would have caused the explosion. Something had to be there to explode. Where did that stuff come from.

Welcome to the frontiers of physics.

Your explanation is lacking evidence.

No, it's lacking scope, namely an explanation that goes back further than our current understanding. Physicists and astronomers are working on those questions and advancing our knowledge, which is more than I can say for creationists and theologians.

Matter does not just come into existence from an explosion. Or we would see that phenomenon still happening. Matter created by explosion.

The Big Bang model never says it did, so you can drop that now.
 
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If so, then the ninety-nine percent of scientists who believed in a flat earth five-hundred years ago must've been right about that too.

As an aside, they didn't. You are just rehashing some popular myths. There were some issues concerning geo- vs heliocentrism. But that's it.

What however holds true is, that about 200 years ago, Young Earth Creationism was waaaaay more popular amongst scientist than it is now. ;)
 
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I think your misunderstanding what 'fittest' means. It doesn't mean the strongest, meanest, or biggest. It means best able to survive to sire another generation.

Rabbits may be cute and furry, but don't let that fool you. They are fast, they burrow for safety, and they breed like...well like rabbits. Wolves may pick off many, but it only takes a few to make the next generation of rabbits.
Your right about the rabbits. they are very fast and breed like my sister.
What about a suger glider? Cute. not fast, not agressive, and has no protection.

Try 10,000 to 20,000 years.
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That is still not millions of years. If that is all it took for evolution to create domestic animals evolution must be pretty fast moving. Why do we not see it today? There is 6,000 or more years of known history. Where is all the animal changes. And why are they not in any history.

Sheep. What did they evolve from?

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Thank you. There are thousands of abbreviations. You just don't know now a days.

Anyways, Are viruses alive. That is the question.

Actually, no it's not. ERVs are interesting from an evolutionary perspective because sometimes they infect germ line cells (sperm and eggs) and when they do they integrate their DNA into their hosts'. This remnant viral DNA gets passed down from one generation to the next. Genetic studies can then use these bits of viral code to track who is descended from whom or what.

Fire is more alive than a Viruses. Fire eats, breathes, moves, produces waste, can be killed and can die.

You've been corrected on this before. Fire is not encapsulated and involves no identifiable individuals. It is therefore not alive and cannot be killed and does not die.

Ha Ha Psychiatry. Well I happen to be a person that suffers from CES. Cauda Equina Syndrome.

Evolution allows for disorders like this because it predicts imperfection. Some people will be robustly healthy, some will survive only hours after birth. How does this square with the whole "Omnipotent, Omniscient, Benevolent Designer who made you in His image" thing?
 
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LOL --- run science run!

One of these days you may just catch up to the Bible, eh?

You mean the mutilations thereof. You mean the mutilations of the bible that are necessary to make it even remotely jibe with modern science. *Yawn*
 
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That is still not millions of years. If that is all it took for evolution to create domestic animals evolution must be pretty fast moving.

It certainly can be. Should I not bother to reply to you? Do you not read my posts?

Why do we not see it today? There is 6,000 or more years of known history. Where is all the animal changes. And why are they not in any history.

What, like the Russian Silver Fox experiments I directed you to? Or the mosquito speciation in the London Underground? How about the speciation of lizards resulting in a new anatomical structure:

http://www.physorg.com/news127667797.html

Sheep. What did they evolve from?

Domestic sheep were bred from wild sheep. They in turn are descended from earlier bovids from Asia.
 
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Your right about the rabbits. they are very fast and breed like my sister.
What about a suger glider? Cute. not fast, not agressive, and has no protection.

Ah, the Sugar Glider has a rare defense that few mammals have, it can glide from tree to tree. If you can glide, and the predators can not I would call that a big advantage in the survivability of the species. It would also help in getting food quickly.

That is still not millions of years. If that is all it took for evolution to create domestic animals evolution must be pretty fast moving. Why do we not see it today? There is 6,000 or more years of known history. Where is all the animal changes. And why are they not in any history.

Domestication was affected by non-natural means (i.e. man) and therefore could have happen in that time period. A species without a constant pressure to change by an outside force doesn't change very fast. It might gain some advantage that helps it during that time, and some more that are neutral to its environment, but any that are negative would still be bread out of the population by natural selection. Because of this a species may stay the same for millions of years. With constant pressure and purposeful breeding selection it would happen much faster.

Sheep. What did they evolve from?

As far as I can tell they came from a wild sheep, which there are few left today.
 
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1. The domestication of the dog goes back at least 9 000 years, and possibly as far as 14 000 years.

2. It doesn't take thousands of years to domesticate wild animals. In fact you can make great strides towards domestication in your own lifetime, if you're so inclined. I suggest you start by examining Russia's domestication experiments with the silver fox.

Heck, you can see steps in a few months. At least that was my experience with a common squirrel. Not hard at all if you are the first things it sees. With a breeding program one could do a lot very quickly. The only problem with squirrels is their teeth keep growing. If they do not knaw on stuff they get too long and the result is fatal. That means one thing that you can't break them of and keep them alive.

Oh my squirrel escaped one weekend when I was away. I went out in the back yard and called and he came. I've seen many dogs that don't come when called. I released him for good a couple of weeks later.
 
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That is still not millions of years. If that is all it took for evolution to create domestic animals evolution must be pretty fast moving. Why do we not see it today? There is 6,000 or more years of known history. Where is all the animal changes. And why are they not in any history.

Sheep. What did they evolve from?

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All domesticated animals were breed by humans from wild species by Artificial Selection. That is why they are called domesticated. Artificial Selection is usually much faster than Natural Selection (the primary mechanism of evolution). If your interpretation of scripture says God created them as they are now, your interpretation is wrong.
 
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