Electric Skeptic
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Yes, we all know your high opinion of yourself - how you so easily 'pwn' anyone who disagrees with you. Suffice to say that that opinion is shared by nobody else.
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Yes, we all know your high opinion of yourself - how you so easily 'pwn' anyone who disagrees with you. Suffice to say that that opinion is shared by nobody else.Please --- oh, please --- show me one "educated" person on here qualified to take on this old Fundamental Baptist in a discussing on the Creation. I'll eat him for breakfast.
Well, now, I wouldn't go so far as to say nobody else. But certainly not very many that stick around here.Yes, we all know your high opinion of yourself - how you so easily 'pwn' anyone who disagrees with you. Suffice to say that that opinion is shared by nobody else.
Yes, you would be wrong. There are a number of historians who think there is not enough evidence to conclude that Jesus ever really existed.I don't think even staunch atheists deny the existence of Jesus --- let alone scientists. I could be wrong, but I've yet to meet someone who swears Jesus never existed.
Yes your post was misleading. The fact that you won't let it go just proves my point about you trying to guide the argument away from it's really about. I wonder why...
If he wasn't trying to say that Christians are stupid, comparing a Christian college to dim teachers is misleading. Why is this being brought back anyway? It has nothing to do with the discussion.
I don't know, but aren't you a little too harsh. Without wanting to play the age-card, the guy is 14 and might not be aware of the bad rep that Christian private schools have, so I can image where his confusion stems from. I know I didn't have the faintest ideas about accreditation and such when I was that age (although I have the excuse of living in the Netherlands, where these things don't come into play. You aren't allowed to run an unaccredited school here).Because I don't like having my views misrepresented by an hopeless little dissembler like you.
No one else was mislead by my post, either you aren't up to intellectual snuff or you are so helplessly defensive about your religious beliefs you see offense where there is none.
What this thread is really about is evolution and credentialism, you have derailed it into discussion about the historicity of Jesus which properly belongs in History or Apologetics so don't get all snotty about thread derailing.
You are a nasty piece of work and a poor advertisement for your faith, your attempt at an apology being one of the most grudging I have ever seen. I will let it go when you apologise properly or stop replying to my posts, either works for me.
Wow, I read this entire thread. It's amazing how people would simply throw away logic in order to continue believing in something. It's amazing how all of the extra-biblical evidence were written much after the death of Jesus. How is this evidence of Jesus' existence? If a bunch of people wrote stories about a man who did things before they were even born, and those writings were discovered in the future, it should be admitted as evidence of the existence of this man as well as the magic this man performed? Absolutely ridiculous!
All I have to say was that there was an epic failure in logic. I think it's safe to agree that there is absolutely no contemporary evidence of the existence of Jesus. Otherwise, using their logic, King Arthur really did pull that sword out of the stone because he was chosen by God to do so.
According to Christian beliefs, yes. This person is not providing independent corroboration of Jesus, as he is merely describing their beliefs.
Could be a number of others. There were many people around the time of Jesus who claimed to be Messiahs. And there were many Jewish kings who had been assassinated (though the Jews themselves didn't speak highly of them, who is to say that others didn't think highly of them?).
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/4mara95.html
It seems clear to me that you didn't read his essay.
You keep saying that those who don't believe Jesus existed are easily refuted. Yet you fail to back that up entirely. I don't think you know what "easily refuted" actually means.It's logical to think that he existed when most historians believe he existed and that those who don't are easily refuted anyway.
It does if it concerns the existence of a person and what that person did. If there are no contemporary accounts of someone, whether he existed becomes at the least doubtful. Especially if the sources are then entirely based on hearsay, which holds for all the non-biblical sources you pointed to.Oh, and just because something is discovered after it was written does not necessarily change its credibility.
I don't know, but aren't you a little too harsh. Without wanting to play the age-card, the guy is 14 and might not be aware of the bad rep that Christian private schools have, so I can image where his confusion stems from. I know I didn't have the faintest ideas about accreditation and such when I was that age (although I have the excuse of living in the Netherlands, where these things don't come into play. You aren't allowed to run an unaccredited school here).
No it isn't private Christian Colleges have a well deserved reputation for teaching the sciences poorly, if at all.
I implied that the teacher who taught that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it it makes no sound is stupid, and he/she is unless she was just stating that to start a discussion, which is a distinct possibility, because, let's face it, you would have to be pretty dumb to believe that he laws of physics are suspended if humans aren't there.
I don't know, but aren't you a little too harsh. Without wanting to play the age-card, the guy is 14 and might not be aware of the bad rep that Christian private schools have, so I can image where his confusion stems from. I know I didn't have the faintest ideas about accreditation and such when I was that age (although I have the excuse of living in the Netherlands, where these things don't come into play. You aren't allowed to run an unaccredited school here).
You keep saying that those who don't believe Jesus existed are easily refuted. Yet you fail to back that up entirely. I don't think you know what "easily refuted" actually means.
It does if it concerns the existence of a person and what that person did. If there are no contemporary accounts of someone, whether he existed becomes at the least doubtful. Especially if the sources are then entirely based on hearsay, which holds for all the non-biblical sources you pointed to.
Explains a lot I was a bit of a dick who couldn't admit I ever got anything wrong when I was that age as well.
Which is an identification that wholly depends on the gospels and is not independant from them. Hence, historically completely useless.In describing Christians he mentions the man they worship, who was crucified.
His teaching need not live on today, that does not necessarily follow from the quote. The only thing that was needed for this "Jewish king" was that rumours of a messianic figure would have reached Bar-Serapion. A figure proposed by Skeptical Review is the Essene "teacher of righteousness". If you want to claim the person Bar-Serapion refers to is Jesus, you really need more than the few vague lines that he mentions. Especially given that the letter contains quite a few historical errors.Can you tell me the name of any other Jewish kings who were executed by Jews and whose teachings also live on today?
I did, but I haven't read all of the wikipedia one yet.
Interesting, another of you're posts says otherwise. In it you say nothing about teaching science poorly. You was clearly talking about them being stupid.
Not about teaching science poorly. Is about them being dumb.
I didn't bother reading the rest of your post when the first sentence is a lie. And you are still not even smart enough to see that you are proving my point about steering the conversation away again and again and again.....
I know he's probably your friend, but he certainly has some issues. And no, I had no idea about that private school stuff because I live in the UK, but that is not really relevent.
Which is an identification that wholly depends on the gospels and is not independant from them. Hence, historically completely useless.
His teaching need not live on today, that does not necessarily follow from the quote. The only thing that was needed for this "Jewish king" was that rumours of a messianic figure would have reached Bar-Serapion. A figure proposed by Skeptical Review is the Essene "teacher of righteousness". If you want to claim the person Bar-Serapion refers to is Jesus, you really need more than the few vague lines that he mentions. Especially given that the letter contains quite a few historical errors.
If I said otherwise in another post, why don't you quote it or link to it, this is just more dissembling.
No it isn't, you appear to believe that you know what I am talking about better than I do, another trait that brings back memories of being 14.
I suggest you read up on Christian Colleges in the USA, then you might have some idea of what I was alluding to do.
You just make yourself look ridiculous if you attempt to defend your faith against an attack that only you saw.
I think we will leave that for others to judge. I am not embarrassed about anything I've written and I stand by it all, I am, however, embarrassed by the slip in standards that appear to happened in British education since I was 14
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