Evolutionism is not science but fool hypothesis

[Jimmy The Hand]

The poor trilobites couldn't scurry away fast enough!

strangely, some flowering plants could!

 

[ryfso]

You are more likely to survive than invertabrates. In a global flood scenario the smaller invertabrates and creepy crawly things were squashed and inundated. They didn't even see disaster coming. Their fossils are at the bottom of the fossil strata. Intermediate life forms, dinosaurs, other reptiles, etc were next to go. They lived mainly by instinct and were thrown into chaos. naturally we find those next in the fossil record. They survived a bit longer than the lower life forms. mammals could sense disaster coming and made for the hills, some climbing trees, etc. Though they didn't survive long, they did live a bit longer than the reptilian species, for the most part. Man, having the greatest intelligence could go to highest ground and was the last to perish when the waters flooded the earth. Thats why man is mainly at the top of the fossil record. For the most part, the fossil record is based on intelligence/brain capacity level.

I saw a movie tonight; it was pretty funny. But by no means was it as humorous as this post.

Thank you, StarCrystal, for making my night.

Hoo boy, I gotta tell the guys at the office this one.

 

[Lucubratus]

I was on another thread that now I can't remember the title for - but I had a question about something that maybe someone here can answer or provide a link for?
I'm only wondering how scientists (or whomever)come up with the millions or billions of years calculations. I mean, how do they compare these numbers to the things that they have found? I can see where thousands of years is calculated because of artifacts from various civilzations that they can compare things to from a further back or closer timeframe, but how does that add up in the millions of years? What equipment is used, etc?
I'm not being combatitive, just could never figure that one out. (sounds silly I know, but I figured out calculus no problem and had trouble with algebra...lol)


Thanks

 

[michabo]

Stratigraphy, fossiles & trace fossils: cataclysicmic deluge, sedimentary deposits, fossils layed down in order that creatures perished based on varying degrees of survival skills (Invertabrates & other simple life forms at bottom, amphibians & repiles in middle, mammals, including man at top...with some slight intermingling, giving APPEARANGE of age due to sedimenatary stratification.)

This includes pollen, which comes in predictable layers, and animals of all sizes? How is it that some kinds of pollen are consistently below others? Some kinds of large animals are consistently below others? What about the iridium at the k-t boundary?

Radiographic dating: an inacurate, unreliable method. Does not apply.

That's not the question. Radiographic techniques, especially K-Ar give dates. Regardless of your assumed accuracy, how do you explain these observations?

I had to read up on stellar red shifts and am dismissing them as being any basis for evolution or age of the universe. Upon reading through 4 or 5 separate papers on the subject, the conclusion is: NO ONE EVEN IS SURE WHAT CAUSES IT!

Again, that isn't the issue. Redshifts fit marvelously into an old universe, and meshes nicely with General Relativity. As does the cosmic background radiation, which was predicted from the Big Bang theory. The question is: how do these observations fit into your model? How can you explain them?

 

[Data]

 

[Data]

You are more likely to survive than invertabrates. In a global flood scenario the smaller invertabrates and creepy crawly things were squashed and inundated. They didn't even see disaster coming. Their fossils are at the bottom of the fossil strata. Intermediate life forms, dinosaurs, other reptiles, etc were next to go. They lived mainly by instinct and were thrown into chaos. naturally we find those next in the fossil record. They survived a bit longer than the lower life forms. mammals could sense disaster coming and made for the hills, some climbing trees, etc. Though they didn't survive long, they did live a bit longer than the reptilian species, for the most part. Man, having the greatest intelligence could go to highest ground and was the last to perish when the waters flooded the earth. Thats why man is mainly at the top of the fossil record. For the most part, the fossil record is based on intelligence/brain capacity level.

Then answer me this one question, please! Just one.

Why are none of the flying dinosaurs ever, EVER, found above the other dinosaurs?

Surely they could fly above the humans right?

Right?

most likely caused by the close proximity of Venus or Mars, or both over 4,000 years ago.

You know, I'd love to hear you explain why that would have any effect at all.

On anything.

 

[Starcrystal]

Jimmy the Hand,
Then why are there creatures with wings below hominids in the fossil record?

It was no average rainstorm. The "windows of heaven" were opened and winged creatures couldn't possibly fly in it. So simple!
Ummm, there IS some evidence of humans and/or mammilian creatures coexisting with dinosaurs. Polluxy river basin in TX is one case. There are also trillobites imbedded in human footprints. A lot of this evidence was suppressed because it didn't fit the evolutionary model.
Pollen, plants, etc, can float for some time before becoming waterlogged and sinking. They can also float vertically, which is why some plants are found intact in multi-strata which is (supposedly) separated by millions of years.
People don't believe Emmanuel Velikovsky because some of his theories were incorrect. Unfortunately they dismiss his theories that WERE CORRECT in the process.
http://arwensoracle.tripod.com/ravenwolfsstarchronicles/id12.html

(To answer the Mars/Venus cataclysm...)

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

Whooooo boy.

First let me put my tin foil hat on.

Now. I will let some of the more scientific residents address the consequences of the proverbial heaven's gate opening and letting loose enough water to knock Quetzacoatlus out of the sky.

As far as the Paluxey River tracks and the trilobite under the sandal. They aren't suppressed. Just laughed at. I am willing to bet you that almost every person here has heard of them.

As far as Mars intersecting Earth's orbit and throwing water at it.....


:::: straps tin foil hat on very tightly :::::

 

[Starcrystal]

Actually in the Martian wind a tin foil had would prove fruitless. You would need a 1/4 inch thick aluminum helmet with a chin strap

Mars coming close the earth and causing an upheaval due to gravitational forces is not outside the realm of possibility by any means. In the 1990's a comet crashed into Jupiter. In Sept 2004 the asteroid Toutatis will come 1,000,000 miles from earth. These things are known to happen. In August 2003 Mars came much closer to earth than it has in centuries.

Why do people dismiss things such as this? We see they certainly CAN happen, so why deny that they HAVE happened in the past?

A stripped atmosphere, evaporation of water into space, where the vapours can be caught in another planets gravitational field is certainly quite feasable. We know there was water on Mars: where is it??

 

[PhantomLlama]

We know there was water on Mars: where is it??

Mars has two very large ice caps.

 

[ryfso]

I was on another thread that now I can't remember the title for - but I had a question about something that maybe someone here can answer or provide a link for?
I'm only wondering how scientists (or whomever)come up with the millions or billions of years calculations. I mean, how do they compare these numbers to the things that they have found? I can see where thousands of years is calculated because of artifacts from various civilzations that they can compare things to from a further back or closer timeframe, but how does that add up in the millions of years? What equipment is used, etc?
I'm not being combatitive, just could never figure that one out. (sounds silly I know, but I figured out calculus no problem and had trouble with algebra...lol)


Thanks

It's called radiometric dating. Known decay rates of a a myriad of elements are measured from sample objects, yielding a fairly accurate measurement of age.

There are a ton of different kinds of radiometric dating (and oddly enough, though they all measure DIFFERENT elements, they all pretty much say the same thing. Crazy.) go to http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-youngearth.html

 

[michabo]

Ummm, there IS some evidence of humans and/or mammilian creatures coexisting with dinosaurs. Polluxy river basin in TX is one case.

What!? Can you back this up?

There are also trillobites imbedded in human footprints.

What!? Evidence, please.

Pollen, plants, etc, can float for some time before becoming waterlogged and sinking. They can also float vertically, which is why some plants are found intact in multi-strata which is (supposedly) separated by millions of years.

A flood would sort fossils by size, weight, geographic location or other physical characteristics. But that's not what we see. Instead, we always see Triassic plants, animal fossils and pollen below Cretaceous below Jurrasic, and so on. Why are the first angiosperms found in the Triassic even though other plants died before and after this? Are you saying small flowering plants were able to swim above several hundred metres of flood deposits before giving up - all at the same point worldwide?

Unfortunately they dismiss his theories that WERE CORRECT in the process.
http://arwensoracle.tripod.com/ravenwolfsstarchronicles/id12.html

(To answer the Mars/Venus cataclysm...)

Wow, what a loony. Great human face statue! That's ludicrous, like saying that any rock that, at one point in the day when the shadows are just right, resembles a face must be an artifact. We see faces in anything, even dirt, clouds, or trees! And when the sun is slightly different, this "face" disappears completely.

As for civilizations on mars and magicly moving planets... Wow.

 

[michabo]

In August 2003 Mars came much closer to earth than it has in centuries.

And you'll notice the complete lack of tidal changes because of this.

Why do people dismiss things such as this? We see they certainly CAN happen, so why deny that they HAVE happened in the past?

Because planets don't saunter around of their own free will. And because there would be evidence, both on earth and on mars. For a start, we should look for signs that the orbit was once very eccentric, and we should look for what sort of impact might have put mars into its current orbit.

 

[Starcrystal]

If this theory was SO out of whack and ridiculous... what got the scientists so bent out of shape? Fear of losing power, prestige, money, reputation??????? What really angered them was that they COULD NOT DISPROVE ANY OF IT! They tried, but Velikovsky met each argument point by point.

from: http://www.seeekers.net/ancient_mysteries/theory/catastrophic_connection.htm

"Many scientists and historians have criticised Velikovsky's works over the years, unfortunately, many have done so inaccurately resulting in the public's misconception that Velikovsky was "completely proved wrong".

From: www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky

 

[michabo]

"Many scientists and historians have criticised Velikovsky's works over the years, unfortunately, many have done so inaccurately resulting in the public's misconception that Velikovsky was "completely proved wrong".

You're championing this.. person. Instead of just saying that some website says he isn't necessarily wrong, why don't you list some of the significant details? Like some evidence.

 

[toff]

Ummm, there IS some evidence of humans and/or mammilian creatures coexisting with dinosaurs. Polluxy river basin in TX is one case. There are also trillobites imbedded in human footprints. A lot of this evidence was suppressed because it didn't fit the evolutionary model.

No, there is not. Even AIG has disowned the Paluxy footprints as fake. There is NO evidence whatsoever of humans co-existing with dinosaurs.

 

[Starcrystal]

Yes there is. Plesiasaurs swim in Loch Ness. A Japanese trawler pulled up a rotting plesiasaur carcass in its nets in the 70's. Just recently there were reports of raptor like dinosaurs on the island of New Guinea. The book of Job describes dinosaurs....

 

[toff]

Yes there is. Plesiasaurs swim in Loch Ness. A Japanese trawler pulled up a rotting plesiasaur carcass in its nets in the 70's. Just recently there were reports of raptor like dinosaurs on the island of New Guinea. The book of Job describes dinosaurs....

No, there is not. No, they do not. No, it did not. Sorry, but you're living in a dream world...

 

[Starcrystal]

No, there is not. No, they do not. No, it did not. Sorry, but you're living in a dream world

Yes there is. Yes they do. Yes it did. Sorry, I live in the real world.

 

[toff]

Yes there is. Yes they do. Yes it did. Sorry, I live in the real world.

No, you don't. A few moments' investigation (look up decent references, not crackpot sites) would tell you that the 'plesiousaur' explanation for the photos you give is completely unwarranted and not accepted by science.