Evolutionism is not science but fool hypothesis

[lucaspa]

You’re right, facts are not proven by science… science proved something and then it became a fact. Facts are simply repeated observations, that have later afterwards be proven.

I hope I've cleared this up in the previous post. You can't "prove" repeated observations. Just how would you do that?

For 10 years humans have repeatedly observed that humans have 48 chromosomes… that was because we couldn’t prove that we had any more or less, we went with 48 because apes have 48, and apes are the closes linked spices that humans evolved from… (oh I know I’m going to get a lovely response from that one, lol, you Christians are so funny)We just assumed… but when we found out we only had 46 chromosomes, then it became a fact because we were able to prove it.

Not the response you expected. We observed 48 because we were doing the chromosome spread wrong. We were accidentally separating 1 of the human chromosomes into two pieces, which we then mistook for separate chromosomes. Remember, I said observations! And actually, we didn't evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor! We are evolutionary cousins to apes, not their evolutionary grandkids.

Exacly again, kind of… believing god exist is a religion, and believing he doesn’t exist is also a religion. Once again all I’ve been saying is that we cont prove if he does or doesn’t at this time.

I'm impressed that you realize atheism is a religion. Very good. Now, do you believe there is no evidence for atheism? Or do you think atheism is a reasonable belief because there is some evidence for it, altho not proof?

What doubt… it is an universal condition, we don’t know if the bible is fact or fiction. I never said I doubted it, you just assumed.

Hmm. If you don't doubt it, then why do you use "Christian" as a label for another person? See above. If you think the Bible is accurate, wouldn't that compel you to be Christian? If not, why not?

yeah that was more of a joke, it’s kind of funny if u think about, most all who believe in god, pray, they talk to him or her, and yet if god talks to them, lol, your crazy, lol, at least I find it funny. Did Theo D what ever and CS claim god talked to them?

Apples and oranges. If you communicate with God that's fine. But hearing voices is something else. That's why we make the distinction. Because theists don't really claim God talks to them as in hearing an actual "voice" in their head. Yes, both claimed that God "talked" to them, but not that they heard voices. Do you see the difference?

How do you know those dozens of people are sane have you meant any of them, point exactly. It could all me an act. *keyword “could…” for the most part, you have missed all my “keywords” in everything I state, and the key words are usually very little words.

I've met many. If you pay attention on these forums, you'll meet many. I've also read the works of many. Again, the key here is to have an independent criteria to decide they are not sane. Claiming personal experience of God by itself can't be a reason to decide they are not sane, since it is the existence of God we are trying to determine. So, is there anything in Paul's letters other than his religion to suggest he isn't sane? Seems sane to me. Also, nothing in Theodosius' extensive scientific work to suggest he wasn't sane, or in the writings of CS Lewis. So, what you have is evidence and no reason, other than that it is evidence, to think it is wrong.

I said how could you tell if they were or not, you most likely wouldn’t be able to.

The same way you tell if people are making up other things: whether they have a history of it, their voice, their facial expression, their behavior, etc. Humans have evolved pretty good detection of liars; we had to in order to detect cheaters in a cooperative society.

And I think you just “proved” one of my points… “And you can't use that criteria without using circular logic.” I can’t use that criteria, just the fact that they say there were talked to by god to say they were making it because I don’t have “circular logic,” or PROOF.

Do you see your circular logic here? "the fact that they say there were talked to by god to say they were making it" up. People say they have experience of god. They made it up. Why? Because it's experience of god. Run around that mental circle a couple of times and you'll be very dizzy.

You can’t prove that they were lying or telling the truth, just from what they said,

You're right. We can't say they were lying just from what they were saying. We always must have additional evidence that they were lying. What they said has to contradict something we know from other means or their manner and behavior has to indicate a lie. OTOH, we do accept people tell the truth based solely on what they say. Your friend comes up and says "I had a great meal at Applebee's last night." You accept that he is telling the truth without any proof, don't you? What you are doing is making up special criteria to use against theists that you don't use other places. That's called Special Pleading.

This I think is my favorite thing that you’ve said…

So, I’m confusing evidence and proof… really… evidence, for short is: sign or proof. Proof for short is: conclusive evidence…

Sound to me that they match well indeed. In fact they can’t be more bound together than the fibers of you clothes.

You missed that word "or" "sign OR proof". Not "sign and proof". "Or" denotes two separate things. A choice: either/or. If you want them bound together, you need "and". cats and dogs are pets. This binds both cats and dogs into the category "pets". Instead, Microsoft said exactly what I said"
You are confusing evidence and proof. Evidence is simply information backing a position. Proof is what you accept as overwhelming evidence such that you can't doubt the position.

When I said "evidence is information backing a position" Microsoft said "something that gives a sign of the existence or truth of something" I said "information" and Microsoft said "something" I said "backing a position" and Microsoft said "a sign of the existence or truth of something" but they are the same position. Microsoft said "Poof-convincing evidence" the only difference between them and me is that I said "overwhelming" instead of "convincing"

Thank you so much for falsifying your own position and backing mine. Your help is greatly appreciated (no sarcasm intended).

the bible, you claim is evidence but does not fit the definition of the word,

Sure it does. It is a "sign of the existence or truth of something". In this case the "something" is God. People are telling you they had experience of God. God did such as so. It's the same as them saying they had a burned steak at the restaurant last night. What they said is evidence that the cook at the restaurant burned the steak last night. Is it conclusive evidence? Depends on how much you trust the person. Same thing with the Bible.

 

[lucaspa]

lucaspa What is this proof that God does not exist? Please post the peer-reviewed scientific paper that proves God does not exist.



Evolution. Although it’s still kind of skeptical at the moment, and they way it disproves god, is that god, supposedly created man and all creators yada yada… evolution says otherwise… we evolved from other things and that’s how we’ve come to be.

Evolution doesn't disprove God. See where you said "god supposedly created man and all other creatures"? Now look at the second quote in my signature.

What evolution disproves, and listen carefully, is a particular method by which some people say God created. You have accepted the logical mistake of creationism: if God did not create by creationism, then God did not create and does not exst. That is a "does not follow." God can create by evolution.

Now, where is the peer-reviewed paper stating that evolution disproves God? Here, I'll help your search. Go here -- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi -- and enter "evolution" as your search term. These are peer-reviewed papers -- reviewed by other scientists before they were allowed to be published. Which one says evolution disproves God?

like I said, I all case the bible is evidence to the existence to god, but what I ment by “hard rock solid” was that evidence that is, well as we’ve learned now, is evidence, or something that is already proven, already fact. Context wise, the bible isn’t evidence, or if

you like it, conclusive evidence.

OK, we're getting there. I agree that the Bible is not conclusive evidence. I just want you to realize that it is evidence. Not conclusive, but evidence.

You right there, a belief can never be wrong, and that’s a fact.

I never said this. Beliefs can be wrong or right. Many people had a belief that slavery was OK. That belief was wrong. Hitler had a belief that he could conqueor Russia. He was wrong. Tojo's cabinet had a belief that Japan could defeat the US in WWII. They were wrong. Churchill had a belief that England would be on the winning side of WWII. He was right.

What I mean by “brainwashed,” now remember this is my opinion. If your family is Christian or goes to church, you went when you were young, and when your young, when your told by you parents or you teachers even the people at church, you believe then, as you grow up you still believe them for the most part because its what you learn when you were young. ... My parents use to make me, but you can’t force me to do anything,

You just provided evidence that adult theists aren't brainwashed. After all, when you got to be an adult, you decided differently. Now, why is it you think you are the only critical thinker out there? Why don't you think other 16 year olds look around and decide, for themselves, that they believe in God?

I know better, I picked my own path, way more “evidence” is on the side of evolution, that it can’t be argued completely.

The brainwashing you have accepted is that evolution is atheism or that evolution disproves God.

Also that in Christianity, the fact that you told that all other religions are wrong, is also another “brainwash” I think.

Not all Christian denominations teach that. What you can say is that the denomination you were in is wrong on that score, but it doesn't follow from that Christianity is wrong. Ideas are taken separately.

Because I don’t know….. what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

Not a thing.

 

[lucaspa]

We are extinct because of your spears. We are extinct because you also killed off our food sources. We did enjoy some of you tasty morsels in our past existance on earth. I, Mososaur, sure put a scare in some sailors in the 1800's!

Fine, but remember that we have spear points associated with mammoths. Now, don't you think duck-billed dino would have made a nice meal? How about Diplodocus? Feed an entire tribe for a week! Now, we know humans drove mammoths and other large prey over cliffs to kill them. How hard would it be to drive some Iguanodons over a cliff? They are smaller than mammoths. Then come the spears and broken spearpoints as the spears become caught in ribs and joints. Blackened bones as the Iguanodon steaks roasted over a fire. The breaking of the long bones with rocks to get the tasty marrow. Now, we have all of this evidence that humans hunted mammoths, mastodons, large camels in N. America, giant birds in New Zealand, etc. We would have found similar evidence in dino bones by now if humans had really hunted them to extinction. Where is the evidence that should be there if your idea is correct?

 

[Mistermystery]

We are extinct because of your spears. We are extinct because you also killed off our food sources. We did enjoy some of you tasty morsels in our past existance on earth. I, Mososaur, sure put a scare in some sailors in the 1800's!

Okay what did we learned from the last time you posted "monosaurus" pictures? Drawn pictures is no evidence! no matter how good they are computergenerated, they don't show us anything! GAH.

 

[LchannelP]

Because that is what you are, and you should know how to spell what you are. well that is my belief anyhow.
"You can also imagine so, if you were not born from your mother, then how you can be created in 10 billion years from the mud by Evolution?"
The people now, ahem, us, werent created 10 billion years ago. someone was. or 2 people, who knows. but dont be dumb, WE were born from our mothers, not the mud. and we evolved from primates anyway, we were one group at one point way back in time, but we split. now we are smart humans, with some exceptions, and they are apes, only a few steps behind.

Q: Are you afraid of Marilyn Manson? Do you think he is the devil in form? Do you think that he and his music is to blame for tragedies such as the Columbine shooting?
A: I bet you are/do.

Not that Christianity is a bad thing, but when you have people running around thinking that they have the power to "save" people at a summer camp full of kids, theres a problem, that is the preachers job, not random people. I hate how fake some Christians are. I mean, i guess im a christian, i pray and what not, god has helped me out, or maybe my luck just blew me that way and it was coincidence, but ive never seen god, and neither have any of you. so dont act like he rules your life. god could be non existent, you have no proof that he is really there except a book. and have you ever heard of fiction? you dont know that the bible is truth. someone could have easily made it up. so i dont really have a point im just posting my opinion.

oh and if you are one of the people who likesto stand up in church and start babbling some funny words and scare the little children, please dont. it just sounds so stupid. supposedly god speaks english, sounds like it to me anyway, check out the bible and learn for yourself. cuz it really just sounds like you are making stuff up and going "goooo goo gaaah mo goi gai pan!" yeah

 

[LchannelP]

"lucaspa What is this proof that God does not exist? Please post the peer-reviewed scientific paper that proves God does not exist."




Hey, lucaspa, where is this proof that god DOES exist? how about you post the peer-reviewed scientific paper that proves that god DOES exist.

 

[BaNaNasRuS]

Go LchannelP, it’s your birthday, lets party like it’s birthday… lol, my point exactly… in the short form. Lol. Lucaspa, ill get to replying to that post sum time or rather… I’ve been busy and as I can say, not much of a point in debating much further, you Christians are sooooo stubborn, and to prove it, if anyone replies a post saying that “no Christians aren’t” then there you go.

 

[orange]

Hi all

 

[Mistermystery]

Most content filled post ever.

This was really a good idea to ressurect this thread.

 

[Gracchus]

Hi all

I AM NOT!

 

[Peiper]

Wow, this thread is still going?!?

 

[JohnR7]

[/font][/size][/color]the key here is to have an independent criteria to decide they are not sane.

There really is no modern concept of what it means to be sane. The medical profession pretty much goes by how functional or disfunctional people or family groups are. If a parent takes a child in for evalution, more times than not it is the parents or one of the parents that needs treatment, more then the child.

 

[ego licet visum]

I'm so glad orange is back.

 

[Talcos Stormweaver]

I would have thought this thread would have faded away, however, it appears it is still alive.

 

[Faith In God]

Go LchannelP, it’s your birthday, lets party like it’s birthday… lol, my point exactly… in the short form. Lol. Lucaspa, ill get to replying to that post sum time or rather… I’ve been busy and as I can say, not much of a point in debating much further, you Christians are sooooo stubborn, and to prove it, if anyone replies a post saying that “no Christians aren’t” then there you go.

it's July and no one replied. how are you doing?

anyway, like non-Christians aren't. I'll prove it. Have you changed religion ever since you posted?

and LchannelP,if you're still there, I have to say this:
creationists don't have a calling to bring up proof. why? because we aren't forcing our view into schools supported by taxpayers. We pay to learn your view, and we want a bit more evidence than you have to show us.

 

[Nathan Poe]

creationists don't have a calling to bring up proof. why? because we aren't forcing our view into a school supported by taxpayers. We pay to learn your view, and we want a bit more evidence than you have to show us.

Anyone else blow out an Irony Meter?

 

[Faith In God]

Anyone else blow out an Irony Meter?

why do you say that?

 

[Nathan Poe]

why do you say that?

The section I highlighted says it all...

 

[Faith In God]

The section I highlighted says it all...

you completely ignored the rest of my comment to make a joke. very good then. good bye

 

[Nathan Poe]

you completely ignored the rest of my comment to make a joke. very good then. good bye

The rest of your comment is based on the false statement which I joked about. It's hardly my fault you chose to build your house on the sand...