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Actually chickens are more closely descended from dinosaurs.Dinosaurs are simply extinct kinds of lizards which lived for centuries and grew very large. Lizards never stop growing.
If your faith is so fragile that a half baked theory presented to you by the ruler of this world causes you to worship another God than the one presented in the scriptures - go ahead on.
"The biblical global flood supposedly covered the planet. Mount Everest is 8,848 meters tall..."
If there are seashells and sedmentary rocks on the top of Mt Everest I think that's pretty conclusive that part of it was underwater at some point. What the height of Mt Everest was at the time is a completely different question...
You're talking about materialism, not evolutionism. One can believe in evolution and not believe in materialism. Atheistic scientists tend to be materialists and evolutionist, but the two ideas are not equivalent.But they affirm we are a brain only, try talk to an evolutionist about souls. So i don't know why we are discussing.
You're talking about materialism, not evolutionism. One can believe in evolution and not believe in materialism. Atheistic scientists tend to be materialists and evolutionist, but the two ideas are not equivalent.
No. "They" - people who accept the theory of evolution - do not "preach" this.
Dr. Francis Collins is one of the towering scientific minds of the last century ---- and a Christian. Here is a short essay of his:
By Dr. Francis Collins
Editor's note: Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. His most recent book is "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief."
ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views. As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.
I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers. I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?" "Why do humans have a moral sense?" "What happens after we die?"
I had always assumed that faith was based on purely emotional and irrational arguments, and was astounded to discover, initially in the writings of the Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis and subsequently from many other sources, that one could build a very strong case for the plausibility of the existence of God on purely rational grounds. My earlier atheist's assertion that "I know there is no God" emerged as the least defensible. As the British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative." But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required.
For me, that leap came in my 27th year, after a search to learn more about God's character led me to the person of Jesus Christ. Here was a person with remarkably strong historical evidence of his life, who made astounding statements about loving your neighbor, and whose claims about being God's son seemed to demand a decision about whether he was deluded or the real thing. After resisting for nearly two years, I found it impossible to go on living in such a state of uncertainty, and I became a follower of Jesus.
So, some have asked, doesn't your brain explode? Can you both pursue an understanding of how life works using the tools of genetics and molecular biology, and worship a creator God? Aren't evolution and faith in God incompatible? Can a scientist believe in miracles like the resurrection? Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers. Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.
But why couldn't this be God's plan for creation? True, this is incompatible with an ultra-literal interpretation of Genesis, but long before Darwin, there were many thoughtful interpreters like St. Augustine, who found it impossible to be exactly sure what the meaning of that amazing creation story was supposed to be. So attaching oneself to such literal interpretations in the face of compelling scientific evidence pointing to the ancient age of Earth and the relatedness of living things by evolution seems neither wise nor necessary for the believer.
I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God's majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.
This is unrelated to what I posted. I simply denied that people who "preach" evolution say that life came from "nothing." End of story. Denying a personal God is NOT the same as stating that life "came from nothing."If you accept the official version of evolution then you believe that God did not intervene in making life. This should be clear as crystal. People are trying to reconcile evolution with faith and i don't know if that is possible.
If God intervene making life with evolution then it was not the official version of evolution but a God influenced version meaning that still God made life. That is design.
And i meant, that evolutionists usually are very expresive about denying God as creator.
But if God created life with evolution is not like scientists say but another version needing God. The offical version of evolution doesn't make sense, a process with no guidance no designer no intelligence can't create consciousness and intelligence and complex organisms.
I have been a scientist for a very long time and I am not aware of an official version of the theory of evolution. I think that you have encountered a strawman version created someone like Ken Hamm. Strawmen are easy to knock down but they seldom have any relationship to the truth.
Where did you get the idea that "every evolutionist" (do you mean professional people in the sciences?) says this. Plenty of people, layfolk and professional, accept the idea of biological evolution while also affirming belief in God.Why every evolutionists ever say there is no need from God then?
Where did you get the idea that "every evolutionist" (do you mean professional people in the sciences?) says this. Plenty of people, layfolk and professional, accept the idea of biological evolution while also affirming belief in God.
Why every evolutionists ever say there is no need for God to create life then?
Except the ones that try to reconcile it with faith.
Did you take the time to read the essay by Dr. Francis Collins in post #69?
Not. Even. Remotely. Close.
That's like saying that Christianity is the idea that if you nail a random jewish person to a giant plus sign, it will grant you immortality and your head will catch fire.
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