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Darwinism Must Die So That Evolution May Live
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By CARL SAFINA

"You care for nothing but shooting, dogs and rat-catching," Robert Darwin told his son, "and you will be a disgrace to yourself and all your family." Yet the feckless boy is everywhere. Charles Darwin gets so much credit, we can’t distinguish evolution from him. Equating evolution with Charles Darwin ignores 150 years of discoveries, including most of what scientists understand about evolution. Such as: Gregor Mendel’s patterns of heredity (which gave Darwin’s idea of natural selection a mechanism — genetics — by which it could work); the discovery of DNA (which gave genetics a mechanism and lets us see evolutionary lineages); developmental biology (which gives DNA a mechanism); studies documenting evolution in nature (which converted the hypothetical to observable fact); evolution’s role in medicine and disease (bringing immediate relevance to the topic); and more. By propounding "Darwinism," even scientists and science writers perpetuate an impression that evolution is about one man, one book, one "theory." The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi said, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." The point is that making a master teacher into a sacred fetish misses the essence of his teaching. So let us now kill Darwin.

That all life is related by common ancestry, and that populations change form over time, are the broad strokes and fine brushwork of evolution. But Darwin was late to the party. His grandfather, and others, believed new species evolved. Farmers and fanciers continually created new plant and animal varieties by selecting who survived to breed, thus handing Charles Darwin an idea. All Darwin perceived was that selection must work in nature, too. In 1859, Darwin’s perception and evidence became "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life." Few realize he published 8 books before and 10 books after "Origin." He wrote seminal books on orchids, insects, barnacles and corals. He figured out how atolls form, and why they’re tropical. Credit Darwin’s towering genius. No mind ran so freely, so widely or so freshly over the hills and vales of existence. But there’s a limit to how much credit is reasonable. Parking evolution with Charles Darwin overlooks the limits of his time and all subsequent progress.

Science was primitive in Darwin’s day. Ships had no engines. Not until 1842, six years after Darwin’s Beagle voyage, did Richard Owen coin the term "dinosaur." Darwin was an adult before scientists began debating whether germs caused disease and whether physicians should clean their instruments. In 1850s London, John Snow fought cholera unaware that bacteria caused it. Not until 1857 did Johann Carl Fuhlrott and Hermann Schaaffhausen announce that unusual bones from the Neander Valley in Germany were perhaps remains of a very old human race. In 1860 Louis Pasteur performed experiments that eventually disproved "spontaneous generation," the idea that life continually arose from nonliving things. Science has marched on. But evolution can seem uniquely stuck on its founder. We don’t call astronomy Copernicism, nor gravity Newtonism. "Darwinism" implies an ideology adhering to one man’s dictates, like Marxism. And "isms" (capitalism, Catholicism, racism) are not science. "Darwinism" implies that biological scientists "believe in" Darwin’s "theory." It’s as if, since 1860, scientists have just ditto-headed Darwin rather than challenging and testing his ideas, or adding vast new knowledge.

Using phrases like "Darwinian selection" or "Darwinian evolution" implies there must be another kind of evolution at work, a process that can be described with another adjective. For instance, "Newtonian physics" distinguishes the mechanical physics Newton explored from subatomic quantum physics. So "Darwinian evolution" raises a question: What’s the other evolution? Into the breach: intelligent design. I am not quite saying Darwinism gave rise to creationism, though the "isms" imply equivalence. But the term "Darwinian" built a stage upon which "intelligent" could share the spotlight.

Charles Darwin didn’t invent a belief system. He had an idea, not an ideology. The idea spawned a discipline, not disciples. He spent 20-plus years amassing and assessing the evidence and implications of similar, yet differing, creatures separated in time (fossils) or in space (islands). That’s science. That’s why Darwin must go.

Almost everything we understand about evolution came after Darwin, not from him. He knew nothing of heredity or genetics, both crucial to evolution. Evolution wasn’t even Darwin’s idea. Darwin’s grandfather Erasmus believed life evolved from a single ancestor. "Shall we conjecture that one and the same kind of living filaments is and has been the cause of all organic life?" he wrote in "Zoonomia" in 1794. He just couldn’t figure out how. Charles Darwin was after the how. Thinking about farmers’ selective breeding, considering the high mortality of seeds and wild animals, he surmised that natural conditions acted as a filter determining which individuals survived to breed more individuals like themselves. He called this filter "natural selection." What Darwin had to say about evolution basically begins and ends right there. Darwin took the tiniest step beyond common knowledge. Yet because he perceived — correctly — a mechanism by which life diversifies, his insight packed sweeping power.

But he wasn’t alone. Darwin had been incubating his thesis for two decades when Alfred Russel Wallace wrote to him from Southeast Asia, independently outlining the same idea. Fearing a scoop, Darwin’s colleagues arranged a public presentation crediting both men. It was an idea whose time had come, with or without Darwin. Darwin penned the magnum opus. Yet there were weaknesses. Individual variation underpinned the idea, but what created variants? Worse, people thought traits of both parents blended in the offspring, so wouldn’t a successful trait be diluted out of existence in a few generations? Because Darwin and colleagues were ignorant of genes and the mechanics of inheritance, they couldn’t fully understand evolution.

Gregor Mendel, an Austrian monk, discovered that in pea plants inheritance of individual traits followed patterns. Superiors burned his papers posthumously in 1884. Not until Mendel’s rediscovered "genetics" met Darwin’s natural selection in the "modern synthesis" of the 1920s did science take a giant step toward understanding evolutionary mechanics. Rosalind Franklin, James Watson and Francis Crick bestowed the next leap: DNA, the structure and mechanism of variation and inheritance.

Darwin’s intellect, humility ("It is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance") and prescience astonish more as scientists clarify, in detail he never imagined, how much he got right. But our understanding of how life works since Darwin won’t swim in the public pool of ideas until we kill the cult of Darwinism. Only when we fully acknowledge the subsequent century and a half of value added can we really appreciate both Darwin’s genius and the fact that evolution is life’s driving force, with or without Darwin.
 
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But they preach nothing created every life form, without the need of God...
No. "They" - people who accept the theory of evolution - do not "preach" this.
 
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2+2=4 doesn't need God in there either
But evolution teaches that 2 became several other numbers, weeded out the riffraff by natural selection and stayed at 4 for a time. Then 4 did the same thing and eventually stayed at something like 5 for a while - almost ad infinitum until it's now standing at a few trillion for a while until it takes a mind to change some more (unless of course it blows itself up eventually :)).

Of course most scientists believe we started at "0" and, if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in New Mexico to sell you.
No. "They" - people who accept the theory of evolution - do not "preach" this.
Most do.
 
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Those still thinking about evolution need to update themselves on science because evolution is now (officially/scientifically) dead. Look up Stephen Meyer and his research on code containing blueprints in our DNA. With recent discoveries of code containing blueprints in our DNA, we now know that evolution is/was impossible. Code can mutate or degenerate, but it cannot spontaneously create, upgrade, and/or insert itself. A growing number of top former evolutionists are now saying aliens did it, which, as we Christians know, is a half truth.

But no one should have ever bought into evolution anyway...in over a century and a half, zero evidence has been found. Every original text book 'proof' has been thrown out and disproven. None have withstood the test of time. A fly mutating is not evidence for upwards evolution. A bone of an extinct creature is not evidence of upwards evolution because you cant prove that creature had kids, that it wasn't just a rare mutation...and why would you think animals back then could do something we haven't observed throughout 6000 years of recorded history...give birth to anything other than its own kind. Even evolutionists admitted that the fossil record showed a sudden explosion of life.

If you're waiting on top atheist hijacked mainstream educational or scientific communities to talk about this evolution destroying evidence, don't hold your breath. The fact that they've been firing and blacklisting anyone who disagrees with them should tell you they don't care about the truth...
So true. But it was never really about scientific theory. It was always about separating the people and their religious principles from their government. Just like global warming was the second step. Gives the government, now separated from the people complete dominion over every aspect of the peoples lives.
 
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That's about as sensible an argument as the evolutionists make.:)

Imperfection and death is the stock in trade of evolutionary theory. Perfection and life are the stock in trade of the God of the Bible.

Like I said - the debate concerning evolution "has all the bearing in the world on whether the God of the Bible exists or if we should be worshiping some other God."
 
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But evolution teaches that 2 became became several other numbers, weeded out the riffraff by natural selection and stayed at 4 for a time. Then 4 did the same thing and eventually stayed at something like 5 for a while - almost ad infinitum until i's now standing at a few trillion for a while (unless it blows itself up eventually :)).

{sigh} No, it doesn't. It really doesn't. You're arguing against a version of the Theory of Evolution that was invented as a straw man by folks like Ken Ham and Ray Comfort.

Of course most scientists believe we started at "0" and, if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in New Mexico to sell you.

That's not evolution, of course. That's abiogenesis. The two are different things.


Science isn't preached. It is performed. Results are then reported.
 
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That's about as sensible an argument as the evolutionists make.:)

Imperfection and death is the stock in trade of evolutionary theory. Perfection and life are the stock in trade of the God of the Bible.

Like I said - the debate concerning evolution "has all the bearing in the world on whether the God of the Bible exists or if we should be worshiping some other God."

Nope. Flat wrong. I'm a Christian. I also accept the Theory of Evolution. The one had no bearing on the other. Tah-daa! I have just done the impossible, apparently. You may now applaud.
 
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Science isn't preached. It is performed. Results are then reported.
True science - yes. Evolution not so much.
I'm a Christian. I also accept the Theory of Evolution.
Then you are worshiping God as He does not present Himself in scripture.

If you are truly saved - we'll discuss this subject some more in eternity. But that remains to be seen.:wave:
 
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True science - yes. Evolution not so much.

Claiming a false disparity where there is none.

Then you are worshiping God as He does not present Himself in scripture.

If you are truly saved - we'll discuss this subject some more in eternity. But that remains to be seen.:wave:

Oooh... an implication that I'm not a Real Christian and Not Saved. How novel.

And btw, I've checked with God about Evolution. He's cool with it.
 
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But evolution teaches that 2 became several other numbers, weeded out the riffraff by natural selection and stayed at 4 for a time. Then 4 did the same thing and eventually stayed at something like 5 for a while - almost ad infinitum until it's now standing at a few trillion for a while until it takes a mind to change some more (unless of course it blows itself up eventually :)).

Of course most scientists believe we started at "0" and, if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in New Mexico to sell you.

Most do.
Can you share a link? That shows that "most" people who accept evolution, Christian or not, teach that life came from "nothing"?
 
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It has all the bearing in the world on whether the God of the Bible exists or if we should be worshiping some other God.
God is God, be He the the God of the Bible or not. As to evolution and the Bible, tens of millions of Christians do not see a conflict between the Bible and evolution. The only way that there might be a conflict, is if one believes that the Earth must be about 6,000 years old, as such is implied by Scripture. However, a 6,000 year history would seem to be ruled out by the bones of dinosaurs.
 
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Can you share a link? That shows that "most" people who accept evolution, Christian or not, teach that life came from "nothing"?
No I can't - nor did I say that most people who accept evolution teach that life came from nothing.

Specifically I said the following.
.........Of course most scientists believe we started at "0".........
But you may have inadvertently stumbled on a point of necessary correction for me.

All Bible believers, scientists or not, agree that we started at "0" (i.e. ex nihilo).

Non Bible believers in evolution don't have the integrity to take it farther than stating that we started at "1".
 
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God is God, be He the the God of the Bible or not.
The God of the Bible is God and God is the God of the Bible. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar.
As to evolution and the Bible, tens of millions of Christians do not see a conflict between the Bible and evolution.
Tens of millions of so called Christians have been taken in by the God of this world.
.......... a 6,000 year history would seem to be ruled out by the bones of dinosaurs.
The bones of dinosaurs do not rule out the earth being 6,000 years old.
 
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Those still thinking about evolution need to update themselves on science because evolution is now (officially/scientifically) dead.

Well, no.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Ok. But wait, evolution says there is no need for God to convert one animal to another! no designer for life.

And the theory of sexual reproduction doesn't say that God directly creates a person in the womb, and the theory of gravitation doesn't say God directly cause a body of mass to attract mass. God's involvement in the natural world isn't something science can say one way or the other. Science can only describe natural processes as observed.

Humans are not the product of God, but are the product of billions of years of a process.

False dichotomy.

And we have no soul and spirit too! we are a brain! not that things change overtime only. That part is accepted by everyone.

The spiritual dimension of human existence is a theological discussion, not a scientific discussion. Again, science deals with natural processes, natural explanations, of the observable world. It can't say anything one way or the other about things such as about God or the soul. If you want to have a discussion about the human soul then you are looking to have a non-scientific discussion that involves theology. If you want to know how cell division works, that's when you are discussing science.

Science is not a thoroughly exhaustive methodology about the reality of everything, it applies exclusively to the observable, natural world, of natural processes, and can only offer natural explanations. You wouldn't use geometry to explain mental illness would you? No, you'd use psychology for that.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It has all the bearing in the world on whether the God of the Bible exists or if we should be worshiping some other God.

If your faith in God is so fragile that a little bit of science is that threatening, then you should spend more time in prayer and self reflection. Be like the man who said to the Lord, "Lord I believe, help my unbelief!"

It's not God who is threatened by evolution, it's you. You need to learn how to address that for yourself.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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God is God, be He the the God of the Bible or not. As to evolution and the Bible, tens of millions of Christians do not see a conflict between the Bible and evolution. The only way that there might be a conflict, is if one believes that the Earth must be about 6,000 years old, as such is implied by Scripture. However, a 6,000 year history would seem to be ruled out by the bones of dinosaurs.

1.) Just because tens of millions of uneducated brainwashed people believe something...doesn't make it true.
2.) Scripture doesn't 'imply' the age of the Earth, it records it through genealogies which have been meticulously kept since time began.
3.) You've mistakenly assumed that men with papers (degrees) know what they are talking about when they surmise the age of bones. It's not an exact science, not even close. The 'old' anything dating methods of secularists is based on assumptions based on assumptions...it's pure speculation. Dinosaurs are simply the first lizards. Before the Flood, a different environment existed which allowed animals to get bigger and people and animals to live longer. A canopy of water surrounded the planet which blocked harmful cosmic rays and created an oxygen rich atmosphere. Go research effects of oxygen chambers on the human body.
 
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The bones of dinosaurs do not rule out the earth being 6,000 years old.

The earth being about 4.5 billion years old rules out the earth being only 6,000 years old.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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