The ultimate truthfulness of a matter is if it aligns with reality. God is the one who created the universe if your interpretation of scripture does not line up with reality, then it does not line up with God. Flat earth and geocentrism line up with scripture, but not with reality.
Flat earth and geocentrism do NOT line up with Scripture and are not mentioned. Rather they were man's interpretation, what man believed...they were mistaken. Reality is truth and truth is written. Evolution not only isn't written but is in direct opposition to what is written. Either evolution is truth or creation is truth....one or the other.
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.
Psalm 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all His works are done in truth.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 17:17,19 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
(19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Psalm 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all His works are done in truth.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 17:17,19 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
(19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
11 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
So I ask you....As His word is truth, As we are sanctified through truth, As we must worship Him in truth, As all scripture is truth and profitable for learning truth....then should we not pay attention to what is written and always choose it over man's ideas when those ideas are in direct conflict with Scripture?
A lot of TEs see Adam that way, Paul interpreted Adam figuratively and I am happy to stick with that until I come across a convincing scriptural argument to interpret him literally as well. But for the sake of this discussion lets assume he was a literal individual.
He was the beginning of the line to the Savior....He was a literal man as Christ also was literal.
The bible says nothing about reproduction being restricted to kinds (other then choosing a partner of the same species of course), although evolution has only ever been organisms producing more organisms within their clade. Clades divide subdivide and diverge, but always remain within the clade.
If you see "after his kind" as being the choice in a partner and not in reproduction then this is another avenue of disagreement in understanding. To me, it clearly means each species produces the same species.
You need to do more than just repeat the claim evolution is a lie. It is not a picture of the creation of man, it is how mankind was formed, how God created us.
I have. I have asked that a decision be made between the written Word and Darwin's theory. There is no room for both.
I shouldn't respond to creationists claims?
Only when they claim it. Have I?
The only issue is how long God took to create the human race in his image. Remember, the bible tells us God's time scales are not ours.
That isn't the only issue pointing to the lie of evolution. As for God's time...He also tells us that His day is as a thousand years.
Pictures of ape and human skulls...stong similarity. I see the same similarity when I go to the zoo but I never called one of them daddy.
Hebrew describe God's seventh day rest as a rest we can enter if we hear his voice Today and do not harden our hearts. Paul described the sabbath as a shadow of things to come. Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. The seventh day in Genesis is not a description of God stopping work for a day a few thousand of years ago, it is a prophetic symbolic picture of the rest we will have in God through Christ in the future. God never stopped working. When Jesus was confronted about working on the sabbath, John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."
Thank you for quoting that...I have never noticed it before. However, here we must rightly divide the word. There is work, such as the work that continues today, which you have pointed out and then there is the work that ended for He tells us....."God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made." The work He "had made," was the creation of "heavens, earth and all the host." FINISHED, past tense! They didn't evolve but were ended and then...He rested.
Tell me, do you know when a new day began in the bible?
Good question Assyrian. No.
Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.
There is nothing in the verse about the creatures producing after their kind. It is the earth God commands to produce all the different kinds. Now you may want to interpret the verse differently, but evolution is certainly consistent with God commanding nature to produce all the vast variety of life on earth.
We read this differently Assyrian. According to their kinds, to me, is about each creation having their own kind. It is no different than....
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Funny that grass and trees are referred to as "his kind," rather than it's kind.
Genesis 1:20-23 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
The waters bring forth fowl...fowl that flies and multiples in the earth. And yes, I know this is a stretch but it is what I'm seeing.
Beast of the field and beast of the earth are simply differences in style and vocabulary between two creation accounts, Genesis 2&3 says plant to the field, herb of the field, beast of the field. It is the difference between one person saying animals, and another wild animals. Genesis 2 refers to the beast of the field and bird of the air as 'every living creature', the same as the living creatures we read about in Gen 1. When do you think all the birds of the air were created?
More is being said Assyrian. Using "of the field" and "of the earth" isn't a happenstance or style of writing.
Thing is, it doesn't matter what you think it means, but that for a millennium and a half people though the passages meant the sun goes round the earth. But when science showed this was wrong they needed to go back and find a better way to interpret them.
No, what I think doesn't matter. What is written does. Was it written that the sun goes around the earth? No. Man assumed...man was wrong.
Copernicus didn't say either. He just showed the earth went round the sun. It was up to the church to figure out how to deal with their interpretation. They didn't go back to scripture and say "oh look, we missed it, scripture really says the earth goes round the sun". Scripture doesn't. They just knew from science their literal interpretation was mistaken.
Scripture didn't say...man assumed.
We go over the same stuff a lot here![]()

The second creation account is written after the first account, but that does not mean it happened after it. The Gospel of Mark come after Matthew, but it doesn't mean it happened after.
The difference is Genesis is one Book of God's account. It is written that way for a reason.
How do you go from realising parable and metaphors point to the truth, to thinking if they didn't happen that way it is a lie?
Would He tell us, in parable form, that something happened a certain way when...it happened a completely different way, a way that conflicts with the literal or figurative (however you wish to understand it) way it was written?
If people throughout the bible give figurative interpretation of Genesis, why is is a problem to interpret it figuratively? I asked if there was a single passage in scripture telling you to interpret Genesis literally, you didn't answer, which I presume means you cannot think of any.
I can't think of any writing saying....you must read Genesis literally, but the following demonstrate that it happened as written....
Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
The beginning, to me, is the very beginning.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in His time: also He hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
No man would include Darwin.
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
At the beginning we were made to produce...we didn't evolve into that capacity.
11 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
All things are as they were....we don't evolve into something else.
They didn't go back to scripture to find out Copernicus was wrong. They went back to scripture because their old interpretation was wrong. Incidentally we have vastly more evidence for evolution than there was supporting Copernicus's theory when it was accepted by science and the church.
The point is...scripture didn't change. It was, as you said...their interpretation that was wrong. It isn't written that the earth is the middle of the universe but man thought it up. We may have "vastly more evidence" for understanding the adaptation species make (still within their specific, kind after kind, group) over time but not for man evolving from ape.
No more conflict than heliocentrism. Less, because there is evidence from scripture itself that Genesis can or even should be interpreted figuratively. And through the long centuries when no one questioned the literal interpretation of the geocentric passages, people like Origen, Augustine and Aquinas were saying Genesis should be interpreted figuratively.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
You know Jesus had problems with his disciples arguing with each other back then too![]()

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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