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about 2 billion light-years away
No, because any light that bounced of me and in their direction hasn't reached them yet, and won't reach them for about another 2 Billion years.
(You do understand that it takes time for light to travel right ? )
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What unproven assumption ?
That light takes time to travel ?
Care to show where I'm wrong ?
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pgp_protector said:
And you know this based on your buddy who is sitting 2 billion light years away radioing the info back? Or are you making an assumption you can't realistically verify?
To be clear, I really couldn't care less either way how old the universe is. I just don't like the idea of passing off unverifiable assumptions as fact.
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I'll ask again, What unverifiable assumption, the speed of light ???
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Outreach/Education/Answer_1_-_The_Speed_of_Light/
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v83/i11/p2108_1
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And I'll ask yet again that you verify the assumption that the light bouncing off of you has not yet reached galaxy cluster Abell 2218.
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Given
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Outreach/Education/Answer_1_-_The_Speed_of_Light/
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v83/i11/p2108_1
The speed of light is ~ 670,616,629 mph
Any light that has bounced of me has only traveled about 234,984,066,801,600 Miles
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While this little game of point out the ridiculous circular logic has been fun, I'm afraid I have to sign off for a bit. Dinner is ready. A fact verified by my having actually gone to the place of dinner preparation and seen that said viddles are prepared for eating. Peace.
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Well seeing as the OP is poorly designed and combining multiple theories; one being totally misrepresented I can't say that I can respond to it with any accuracy. I accept the Big Bang and Theistic Evolution.
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It's closer to Neutral then Female / Male
More info @
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=ada2af3455fc12b1bd61cd486e100c90
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16905353
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New_Wineskin
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I neither believe nor disbelieve those things . If the Lord chose to bring about what is through those things , fine . Christianity isn't about those things .
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1. There is no fossil record - only fossils - been there - dug them out.
They don't have labels on them when you pull them out of the dirt.
2. Nevertheless, the fossil record does not show ANY transitional forms
(one animal changing into another animal - no lizard moms having kitten
babies, or small mammalian rodents either for that matter). Transitional
forms are an utter necessity for biological MACRO evolution (changes from
one species to another). I believe in MICRO evolution - a dog, similar to
the tasmanian wolf, being bred to be a chihuahua or a St. Bernard -
but again, don't see a dog birthing kittens.
3. If you see an Audi and a Honda, you might come to the conclusion
that with their internal combustion engine, wheels, tires, windshield, lights,
and horns, they are somehow related - the Truth is - they have the same Creator.
(Henry Ford made the model T, right? Like those rumble seats)
4. There is nothing "bangy" in the Big Bang - from the research (secular
journals) I've read, the bang that some scientists try to present as a
heavy metal acid rock band breaking guitars on stage, is more like the
beautiful melody of a raindrop plopping gently onto the surface of a placid lake -
concentrically spaced circles of mass spreading out Evenly in all directions,
as someone would drop a stone in a puddle. There is evidence beginning to
amass that light can move as both a wave and a particle, and as we are
already aware of quarks that move faster than light, having the entire megaverse
being spoken (cool...sound also travels in waves) into existence is far more realistic
than it ever has been. When Science discovers some "new" information it usually just
backs up what's already in the Bible. In the Gospel of John, we see that Jesus
(the Logos - the Word) spoke all things into existence, and nothing (Yep, nothing.)
has been created that He didn't create.
The Answers in Genesis museum in Cincinnati, Ohio (I think that's where it is) would have more info on things, or Google the organization, also ICR - Institute for Creation Research.
Back to the original quote - Lincoln once asked a boy, who had a dog - If I called that dog's tail a leg, how many legs would it have? The boy said 5. Abe bent down and looked him in the eye - Nope, he'd have 4. No matter what someone calls something, the Truth's still the Truth.
The word for "day" in the 6 days of Creation is accompanied by a number, and day/night, so in the original language that word is translated to mean a 24-hour Day. You can say it took a billion years to create everything in the universe, or you can say it took less than 7 days, but you can't say both. Man says billions - God says Jesus spoke it into existence in a few 24 hour days. God was there, man wasn't. We can believe an eye witness account, or design an idea that allows us to not have a Creator (which frees us up to do Anything we want to anyone, whenever we want to). God created man, or man created God, belief in one or the other becomes pretty important at some point (like at the end of our life, for example). Jesus the Christ brought about Creation through His word, so Christianity would be about that. Also evolution or creation is pivotal to our time Now. We personally make choices, and this country makes policies that effect everyone in America, each year. Decisions that are based on who we believe runs the Universe. Either God is Holy, and doesn't lie, or He made up a Edenic fairytale. It may be Chuck's birthday, but I give my Cudos to the Maker of all people, not to the one that helped people worship the creation rather than the Creator.
They don't have labels on them when you pull them out of the dirt.
2. Nevertheless, the fossil record does not show ANY transitional forms
(one animal changing into another animal - no lizard moms having kitten
babies, or small mammalian rodents either for that matter). Transitional
forms are an utter necessity for biological MACRO evolution (changes from
one species to another). I believe in MICRO evolution - a dog, similar to
the tasmanian wolf, being bred to be a chihuahua or a St. Bernard -
but again, don't see a dog birthing kittens.
3. If you see an Audi and a Honda, you might come to the conclusion
that with their internal combustion engine, wheels, tires, windshield, lights,
and horns, they are somehow related - the Truth is - they have the same Creator.
(Henry Ford made the model T, right? Like those rumble seats)
4. There is nothing "bangy" in the Big Bang - from the research (secular
journals) I've read, the bang that some scientists try to present as a
heavy metal acid rock band breaking guitars on stage, is more like the
beautiful melody of a raindrop plopping gently onto the surface of a placid lake -
concentrically spaced circles of mass spreading out Evenly in all directions,
as someone would drop a stone in a puddle. There is evidence beginning to
amass that light can move as both a wave and a particle, and as we are
already aware of quarks that move faster than light, having the entire megaverse
being spoken (cool...sound also travels in waves) into existence is far more realistic
than it ever has been. When Science discovers some "new" information it usually just
backs up what's already in the Bible. In the Gospel of John, we see that Jesus
(the Logos - the Word) spoke all things into existence, and nothing (Yep, nothing.)
has been created that He didn't create.
The Answers in Genesis museum in Cincinnati, Ohio (I think that's where it is) would have more info on things, or Google the organization, also ICR - Institute for Creation Research.
Back to the original quote - Lincoln once asked a boy, who had a dog - If I called that dog's tail a leg, how many legs would it have? The boy said 5. Abe bent down and looked him in the eye - Nope, he'd have 4. No matter what someone calls something, the Truth's still the Truth.
The word for "day" in the 6 days of Creation is accompanied by a number, and day/night, so in the original language that word is translated to mean a 24-hour Day. You can say it took a billion years to create everything in the universe, or you can say it took less than 7 days, but you can't say both. Man says billions - God says Jesus spoke it into existence in a few 24 hour days. God was there, man wasn't. We can believe an eye witness account, or design an idea that allows us to not have a Creator (which frees us up to do Anything we want to anyone, whenever we want to). God created man, or man created God, belief in one or the other becomes pretty important at some point (like at the end of our life, for example). Jesus the Christ brought about Creation through His word, so Christianity would be about that. Also evolution or creation is pivotal to our time Now. We personally make choices, and this country makes policies that effect everyone in America, each year. Decisions that are based on who we believe runs the Universe. Either God is Holy, and doesn't lie, or He made up a Edenic fairytale. It may be Chuck's birthday, but I give my Cudos to the Maker of all people, not to the one that helped people worship the creation rather than the Creator.
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This statement shows that you do not understand evolution. If we ever saw a lizard giving birth to kittens, that would prove the ToE wrong, because it does not teach that. Look up the "nested hierarchy".
Cars don't reproduce.
Or, you could accept that Genesis isn't meant to be read literally.
Of course He did. And he used evolution to do it.
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New_Wineskin
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That is a completely incorrect interpretation and translation of "day" . A 24 hour day is defined by the earth's revolution upon its axis and passing from light to night via the sun . Reading the Scriptures shows that isn't what was being called a "day" . The sun wasn't created until the fourth "day . Until the earth and sun both existed , there was no "24 hour day" .
Either way , believing in a current week's creation doesn't make one a christian - unless you can prove that one will go to hell based on agreeing with your version of creation . Knowing the Lord ( personal relationship ) is still the basis of Christianity - that's it .
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Tu Es Petrus
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Ahhhh, but you are making sense.Ok wait what...are you serious? Do you know what evolution is? A process that takes millions of years of course your not going to find a form in transition that you can recognize.
That is not allowed in this thread.
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