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...You're going to die a foolish person. Not right now while you are living will you think that you are foolish; but when you meet death you will proclaim your foolishness throughout eternity.
It doesn't really matter what I say to you because you'll ask the same question because you are blind to truth.
Jesus says I am the truth.
No other religion or God says that.
It's the words we use that become immortal.
Jesus' words are immortal and if you can't see that then you are blind. You're going to die a foolish person.
Not right now while you are living will you think that you are foolish; but when you meet death you will proclaim your foolishness throughout eternity.
At least atheists, like liberal Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, deists, etc. don't go around threatening anyone with eternal pain for disagreeing with them. That, if nothing else, is our one saving grace - so to speak.
CI just seek the truth.
Why?I find truth in Jesus' words
You missed the part where science is a branch of philosophy.In philosophy, we are governed by rules but we call those rules logic. Logic determines truth.
Wrong. To say there is no truth in science just because of the word "theory" is fallacious, and completely unsupported.There is no truth in science because everything in science is called a theory; therefore a theory becomes partial truth but only through observation.
Just because numbers are invented by humans does not mean they are any less real.In reality, matter cannot be measured there is no such thing as numbers. Mathematics is a concept.
And when asked why, you have failed to justify said concept.I gave you the concept that you will be foolish in eternity.
Wrong. Reality does not depend on what any body believes. It simply is. If I choose to believe that I have one trillion dollars, that does not bend reality to conform.Reality is only the things we choose to believe in.
Too bad the same argument can be made for the non-existance of god.Fortunately, God is a concept that we choose to believe in; therefore that concept becomes reality.
Yet that has nothing to do with the reality of evolution.I demonstrated how spirit reflects upon a chosen theory called evolution.
Again, your preceptions of reality have no effect on what reality actually is.I bring it into concept, so in concept it becomes a reality--how spirit drives evolution. Spirit cannot be seen but only realized.
You have yet to justify this, however.The spirit that is man manifests itself through concepts and words; but if we look further into this concept we can say that it is one spirit that drives life
Circular logic.Jesus became God because he demonstrated and reflected this pure spirit through his own divine nature.
So if people believe I'm god, that means I am?Jesus' words have achieved immortality because billions of people have believed that his words reflected reality; therefore Jesus became God after he died because Christians believe that Jesus and Jehovah of the bible are one and the same being
Unsupported assertion.This has been going on for 2ooo years and will go on for millenia beyond this point;
Once again, perceptions of reality have no effect on reality itself.and secondly, a reality, as Jesus is a reality.
Indeed, it is little more than meaningless gibberish.This isn't rocket science people.
So does science
Why?
You missed the part where science is a branch of philosophy.
Wrong. To say there is no truth in science just because of the word "theory" is fallacious, and completely unsupported.
Just because numbers are invented by humans does not mean they are any less real.
And when asked why, you have failed to justify said concept.
Wrong. Reality does not depend on what any body believes. It simply is. If I choose to believe that I have one trillion dollars, that does not bend reality to conform.
Too bad the same argument can be made for the non-existance of god.
Yet that has nothing to do with the reality of evolution.
Again, your preceptions of reality have no effect on what reality actually is.
You have yet to justify this, however.
Circular logic.
So if people believe I'm god, that means I am?
Unsupported assertion.
Once again, perceptions of reality have no effect on reality itself.
Indeed, it is little more than meaningless gibberish.
Again, if god must exist, what makes the christian god more likely than any other?
Hey this argument can go both ways. At least I am willing to admit my words are 'gibberish' as all chosen realities are just 'gibberish.'
Circular logic (again).Well if you deny Jesus then you deny the one who sent him.
Pascal's wager, which happens to be one of the worst, if not the worst, theological argument. At best, it's argument as to why I should believe in god. It is not, however, an argument for the existance of a god, let alone any particular god.BUT WHAT IF JESUS IS THE REAL GOD. WHAT IF YOU FOUND OUT THAT AFTER YOU DIED? WHAT THEN?
If I'm right, you'd never know. Neither would I, for that matter.I'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL IF I AM WRONG I WILL CALL YOU MY MASTER IF I DIED AND FOUND OUT.
I'd say you were right. Nothing more, nothing less.BUT IF YOU DIE WHAT WILL YOU CALL ME? A SIMPLE FATHER WOULD SUFFICE.
There are no chosen realities. There is one reality. You can choose to accept, or ignore it.
Circular logic (again).
Pascal's wager, which happens to be one of the worst, if not the worst, theological argument. At best, it's argument as to why I should believe in god. It is not, however, an argument for the existance of a god, let alone any particular god.
If I'm right, you'd never know. Neither would I, for that matter.
I'd say you were right. Nothing more, nothing less.
Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?
And I'll tell you then you can say it again.
Circular logic.Principle III. No man can think, write or speak from his heart, but he must intend truth. thus all sects of Philosophy are from the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every individual.
Wrong. The mere fact that any field of knowledge has progressed proves this wrong.Principle IV. As none by travelling over known lands can find out the unknown, So from already acquired knowledge Man could not acquire more; therefore an universal Poetic genius exists.
Unsupported and unjustified assertion.Principle VI. The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original derivation from the Poetic Genius. This is necessary from the confined nature of bodily sensation.
Principle VII.
Circular logic.As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various), So all Religions , &, as all similars, have one source.
The true Man is the source, he being the Poetic Genius.
Good for him. I could just as easily call FSM the Spirit of Prophecy. Aren't unsupported and unjustified assertions fun?Jesus Christ is called the Spirit of Prophecy.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may not see beauty is science, but I do.But in reality, science is not beautiful.
Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find beautiful, I may not.Art is beautiful, especially poetry.
Yet more circular logic.Poetry becomes a sacred artform since it is poetry that empowers scripture.
I don't want to be in debt, but that doesn't change the fact that I am. Stop thinking that people's desires have an effect on reality.Trust me, no one on the 'otherside' wants a cold-hearted scientist to be God.
How does this justify any god, let alone your god?Science cannot adapt such things as love into it's matrix of thought; but in poetry, love is already adapted because it is what sparks the divine nature of the poetic genius.
So all poems are true? Interesting...Look at what he has established from a poetic tale of love and suffering, a dominion upon earth.
Circular logic (yet again).From him is derived lordship, perfect love, the heavens, the earth, etc. saying that all things were made by him and for him, eventually this account will be proven true as Jesus' dominion spreads not from the earth but to the stars and beyond.
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.Truth will never be sufficient to existence unless it portrays beauty.
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.Beauty is derivative from the poetic genius not the scientific genius.
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.God is Love and Love is in Love with beauty, not cold-hard facts.
The only possible way you could know the truth of the afterlife is if you were dead. I'm assuming you're not, so you don't know the truth.I, on the otherhand, know the truth--
Maybe if you say it enough, it'll be true.Science has no room for beauty. Beauty has no part of it.
What's your point?Therefore, truth as it may be; but it will never be nothing more than facts and numbers.
Circular logic.Art, is sacred to the human form, where science expresses cold-hard facts, art expresses the soul; which is not even considerate to cold hard facts.
Are you honestly so naive as to believe that this same statement has never been said in support of another religion.well, because unlike other religions, the spirit of prophecy found in the christian texts reaches for our place outside of eternity.
Except you haven't told me why. All you've given me is fallacies. All you continue to give me is fallacies.
Circular logic.
Wrong. The mere fact that any field of knowledge has progressed proves this wrong.
Unsupported and unjustified assertion.
Circular logic.
Good for him. I could just as easily call FSM the Spirit of Prophecy. Aren't unsupported and unjustified assertions fun?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may not see beauty is science, but I do.
Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find beautiful, I may not.
Yet more circular logic.
I don't want to be in debt, but that doesn't change the fact that I am. Stop thinking that people's desires have an effect on reality.
How does this justify any god, let alone your god?
So all poems are true? Interesting...
Circular logic (yet again).
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.
Unjustified, unsupported assertion.
The only possible way you could know the truth of the afterlife is if you were dead. I'm assuming you're not, so you don't know the truth.
Maybe if you say it enough, it'll be true.
What's your point?
Circular logic.
Are you honestly so naive as to believe that this same statement has never been said in support of another religion.
Again, if it is necessary for a god to exist, why is the christian god more likely than any other?
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