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Evolution

Originally posted by Zadok
...then he was murdered. So much for god's will eh?
The 12 disciples of Jesus, except for John, were murdered also.

For what he accomplished, Dr. Martin Luther King was one of the great fundamentalist Christians of our time.

Dr. King lived long enough to accomplish God's will and to plant the seeds thereof, out of which have risen blessed fruit.

All men and women on this Earth descend from the two persons Adam and Eve.
 
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All men and women on this Earth descend from the two persons Adam and Eve.

...Then we MACROEVOLVED into multiple races. Funny how evolution suites you when needed but then you deny it as godless nonsense when you don't need it.

Adam and Eve are either a myth or an allegory. Funny how Adam in hebrew means human and funnier also that Eve means the dawning of.

Dr. King lived long enough to accomplish God's will and to plant the seeds thereof, which have given birth to blessed fruit.

According to god's will, slavery is A-OK!!! Which means all of his anti-segregation movements were WRONG!!! Just ask any bible totin' Klan member and hill agree to the statement (even if I don't).
 
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Quote wars now?

May I quote Epicurus who lived about 300 B.C.:-


"Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to, or he cannot and does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot, he is impotent.

If he can but does not want to, he is wicked.

If he neither can nor wants to, he is both powerless and wicked.

If God cannot abolish evil, why trust him to create Good?

Celsus, who lived during the second century wrote "The True Doctrine" and one extract reads as follows:

"The God of the Jews gave them laws by Moses that they were to become rich and powerful and to rule the earth, and to massacre their enemies, children and all, and slaughter their entire race, which God himself did, so Moses says, before the eyes of the Jews. And God expressly threatened the Jews that, if they were not obedient, he would do to them what he had done to their enemies. Yet his son,the man of Nazareth, gives contradictory laws, saying that a man cannot come forward to the Father if he is rich or loves power or lays claim to any intelligence or reputation, and that he must not pay attention to food or to his storehouse any more than the ravens, or to clothing any more than the lilies, and that to a man who has struck him once, he should offer himself to be struck once again. Who is wrong? Moses or Jesus? Or when the Father sent Jesus had he forgotten what commands he gave to Moses? Or did he condemn his own laws and change his mind, and send his messenger for quite the opposite purpose?"
 
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Originally posted by Zadok
Cyclo Rider, you radiate with a christ-like glow and understanding.
Thank you, so please refrain from posting links to sites which are offensive to Christians, be they sites of the maniacal atheist variety or otherwise.

Such has no place in this forum.
 
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In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, probably by Jefferson, and approved (when signed in Tripoli) by the Senate under John Adams. Chances are good that all involved knew what they were talking about.

The founders went to great effort to disassociate the government from ANY religion. Most of the original Congress men were Deist or Atheists. They'd seen the effect of the Church of England being an arm of the English Government and were loathe to allow such a mistake to perpetrate our government.

Anyone convinced that the nation is founded on the Bible could please explain how many of the ten commandments are unconstitutional?

"One nation under God" was added by congress in the 1950's to the pledge. It was a reaction to McCarthyism, and a tendency for the popular press to associate communism with atheism.

'In God We Trust' was on some coins for a while, along with other mottoes like 'Mind Your Business', 'I Fly' and 'From Many, One' It was added to paper money by Congress in, guess what, the 1950's.

During the same decade, as the Civil Rights movement ramped up, several Southern States decided to assert their heritage by adding the confederate flag to their own state identity.

Many groups would have people believe that these reactionary moves on the parts of frightened lawmakers extend back farther than history shows they do.

The Declaration of independence mentions the rights men get from their creator. Not THE Creator, not Our God, not The One True God, or any specific reference to Christian theology.

The constitution does not mention God in any way, shape, or form. In fact, at least one famous Christian of the time refused to sign it as he found it to be a singlularly Un-christian document. Patrick Henry was the one who refused to attend the Constitutional Convention, as all the discussion leading up to it was adamantly non-christian.

Myth: "The U.S. Constitution is a Christian Document."
Fact: The Constitution denies the authority of God and the necessity of godly magistrates.

Myth: "The U.S. Constution is based on the Bible."
Fact: The founders' main defense of the Constitution-The Federalist Papers - never mentions the Bible, but has nearly 30 references to pagan Greece and Rome.

peruse the attached:

http://www.ismellarat.com/

"I smell a rat" being a Henry quote...


While there have been many great christians, and some have run this country from its highest office, it was not founded on christian principles. There were many opportunities to for them to have made this a clearly christian nation. Or Deist (as most of the Founding Fathers were), or Church of England, or Catholic, or whatever.
 
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Originally posted by Zadok
Adam and Eve are either a myth or an allegory.
No, they were the first human beings on Earth. All of humanity descended from the two persons Adam and Eve.

According to god's will, slavery is A-OK!!! Which means all of his anti-segregation movements were WRONG!!!
According to your will, racism is okay.

The concept of slavery as written in the Jewish Torah (OT) was not the slavery of today. This has already been explained and requires no further explanation.

Moreover, the Bible makes no mention of races as we know them. Only people. The anti-segregation movement in America was a righteous movement, because it was an anti-racism movement. Indeed, men and women should be free (with the exception of those who engage in serious criminal activity), for we are all descendents of Adam and Eve.
 
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*** MOD HAT ON ***

We are starting way too many identical topic threads. This thread is one of them. I'll will be merging this with other duplicate topic threads.

This thread is to remain open, until it is merged with other threads.


Thank you,

John


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Originally posted by elephanticity
The founders went to great effort to disassociate the government from ANY religion.

Of course, but not from belief in God.

There can't be liberty or genuine faith unless people are free to choose God or reject Him out of their own free will. God Himself gave humankind this choice. He could have created organic robots programmed to worship Him continually, but he did not.

Most of the original Congress men were Deist or Atheists.
LOL! That is a lie.

You know, Atheists have a real hard time understanding this thing called liberty. Maybe that's why Atheists have created and maintained numerous totalitarian dictatorships. Then again, it could be just a power trip. Atheists want power here and now, which is to be expected since they don't believe in God and an after-life.

Anyone convinced that the nation is founded on the Bible could please explain how many of the ten commandments are unconstitutional?
How naive. Just because the US Constitution doesn't say adultery is "wrong," doesn't make it right. The Ten Commandments are rules to live one's life by morally and ethically.

That poses a problem for Atheists who get their values from government policies and whatever impulses they may have.

The Declaration of independence mentions the rights men get from their creator.
Which happens to be the Creator with a capital *C*, God almighty, the one true God. Notice it didn't say the rights men get from government. It said from Creator! The US government was designed to protect those rights given to men by their Creator.

The constitution does not mention God in any way, shape, or form.
Why should it? The Founders held the truth of the Creator to be self-evident.

Fact: The U.S. Constitution was written by men from various Christian denominations.
Myth: The Constitution denies the authority of God.
It doesn't. If affirms it.

Fact: The U.S. Constitution is based on the Christian belief that rights are given to men by their Creator, God almighty, as written in the Bible. As such, it was designed to protect those rights.
Fact: The founders' main defense of the Constitution-The Federalist Papers - never mentions the Bible because the Bible isn't a government document.
 
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NOT the vast majority. Most believed there is a god, but rejected Jesus' divinity or Jesus altogether.

Maybe you should study your history a little bit more. Every signer of the Decleration of independence was a Christian who believed that Jesus was the Messiah and that He performed miracles. Everyone that is except Thomas Jefferson. Why don't you read your non-atheistic history books and get the real facts before you make statements like that.
 
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...Then we MACROEVOLVED into multiple races. Funny how evolution suites you when needed but then you deny it as godless nonsense when you don't need it.

maybe you should read the dictionary and brush up on your science. turning into a different race is called Micro evolution. They are still the same creature just different color skin. Unless you don't think that all people are created equal. Who is the racist now?
 
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Originally posted by elephanticity
The founders went to great effort to disassociate the government from ANY religion.


It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on RELIGIONS, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity and freedom of worship here.

-- Patrick Henry (1736—1799)
 
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Want more quotes

It is impossible to rightly govern without God and the Bible

George Washington

If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, out country will go on prospering

Daniel Webster

Our Constitution was made for a moral and relgious people. It is wholly inadequate to govern any other.

John Adams
 
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Originally posted by messenjah


Maybe you should study your history a little bit more. Every signer of the Decleration of independence was a Christian who believed that Jesus was the Messiah and that He performed miracles. Everyone that is except Thomas Jefferson.
And Benjamin Franklin.

Check YOUR non-atheistic history books.

Regards,
Shodan
 
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Originally posted by Shodan
And Benjamin Franklin.

Check YOUR non-atheistic history books.

Regards,
Shodan




easyrider - 05:42pm Jul 24, 2000
Founding Father Quotations, etc. - Part 4

(Speaking from Europe about America): "Atheism is unknown there; Infidelity rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country without having their piety shocked by meeting eith an Atheist or an Infidel." Benjamin Franklin

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see." - Benjamin Franklin


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"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
--Benjamin Franklin
[from "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", Nov. 20, 1728]
In his letter to Ezra Stiles, he extols the system of morals taught by "Jesus of Nazareth," but says, "I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the Dissenters in England, doubts as to his divinity."
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_4.html
 
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