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They're all under cover, are they?I live in the UK so have never come across fundamentalist evolution deniers.
Sorry, but many biblical creationists here do hold that view.Where did I say anyone was not welcome? I just asked a question I was seeking an answer to. No reason to be pugilistic.
That is NOT for you to decide.I did not indicate that you had. Yet, asking why certain people are here seems to imply that you don't think they should be. To me.
"And you got answers".
They're all under cover, are they?
And for the record, doesn't the UK have one of the largest mosques in Europe?
Dunno about that AV. I'm 63 now and have taught and been active in my local community for more years than I remember and have never come across any fundamentalists of any persuasion.
Before you go, I hope you realize that England:Anyway, this is off topic.
I find it very hard to believe people in the UK have limited exposure to creationism.The only ones I've spoken to are the Jehovah's Witnesses. When they tried to push their ID ideas on me I invited them in for a chat, they were quite taken aback - Thanks to Christian forums!
I find it very hard to believe people in the UK have limited exposure to creationism.
It blows my mind.
I hope I don't speak out of turn by saying that exposure to creationism is just as limited throughout the rest of Europe.
Why is it atheists always have to shift the focus of each topic and thereby avoid dealing with the facts, reasoning, and opinions of the OP presented by their opposition? Notice how they have succeeded in this thread which is no longer abut Speciation or its appearance in the wild...now explore TAS's new thread on cladograms and witness the same exact continuous attempt. It is hillarious (and sadly so predictable).
Hmmm.I hope I don't speak out of turn by saying that exposure to creationism is just as limited throughout the rest of Europe.
You forgot Charles Darwin!Before you go, I hope you realize that England:
Then she went south rather quickly.
- Gave us the King James Bible.
- Was home to one of the greatest men who ever walked the earth (Charles Spurgeon).
- Had one of the greatest churches in existence at one time (Metropolitan Tabernacle).
- Gave us one of the greatest scientists outside of the Bible ever (Isaac Newton).
True, many conservative Muslims are YECs, but it's not the most important thing about their religion to them, as it is to Evangelical Protestant YECs.Hmmm.
Didn't creationists blow up some stuff over there?
Shall I post a youtube so people can tell me how disgusted they are with my morbid sense of making points?
It’s being discussed, with someone that discusses the science instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks because that’s all he has.Trying to miss the point are you?
HOW do 'wolves mating' produce Mastiffs and Poodles?
You claim it is all hybridization all the way down, yet cannot provide a mechanism for the original variation.
In fact, you steadfastly ignore such requests to discuss it.
How did perfect genome Adam and perfect genome Eve - middle easterners both - give rise to Asians and Africans IF, according to you , all new variants are derived via hybridization?
It's a trivial point, and has little bearing on the topic at hand, but yet again you are shown to be wrong.
Chinook Population Genetic Analysis (preliminary)
The Chinook breed was founded in 1917 from a single male dog, Chinook, and two [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]es, a German Shepherd and a Belgian Shepherd.
Oh dear, maybe try a bit of research before making such assertions in the future?
No sorry, that came later.It's a trivial point, and has little bearing on the topic at hand, but yet again you are shown to be wrong.
Chinook Population Genetic Analysis (preliminary)
The Chinook breed was founded in 1917 from a single male dog, Chinook, and two [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]es, a German Shepherd and a Belgian Shepherd.
Oh dear, maybe try a bit of research before making such assertions in the future?
That’s because you would have complained had they removed Halloween or Thanksgiving to hold it.Happy winter solstice, saturnalia, whatever it was called before christianity hijacked it.
Oh, lol, I so wish I had thought of that one, but it is so apt and indisputable.... but I expect will go over their heads."Not all events must be observed in order to be known." To stay true to that logic you should have posted a blank picture and then come to a conclusion. You refuted yourself...
Their own logic is above them.There ya go! And since this is true, JTS's real issue and point made is supported. No evidence that any type of creature evolved into another type. Cats into additional types of cats yes...but fish into amphibians or apes into humans? NO!
By that logic we are still invertebrates, since according to you we evolved from invertebrates. So invertebrates, one type, did not become another type, vertebrates? Fish, one type, did not become amphibians, another type? Amphibians, one type, did not become reptiles, another type and mammals, still another type?Ow boy....
Cats, tigers, lions, ... = felines.
Humans, chimps, gorilla's,... = primates
The ancestor of humans and chimps was a primate.
This primate produced more primates: humans and chimps.
The ancestor cats, tigers, etc was a feline.
This feline produced more felines: cats, tigers, lions,...
Felines, canines, primates,... = mammals.
The ancestor of felines, primates, etc was a mammal.
This mammal produced more mammals: felines, primates, canines, etc
Reptiles, amphibians, mammals = vertebrates.
The ancestor of reptiles, amphibians, mammals was a vertebrate.
This vertebrate produced more vertebrates: reptiles, amphibians, mammals, etc
Once more: speciation is a vertical process.
Felines do not produce canines.
Felines produce more felines.
Primates do not produce felines.
Primtes produce more primates.
Mammals produce more mammals.
Vertebrates produce more vertebrates.
At no point in our evolutionary history did one "type" become another "type", nore is it required.
So this seems to be yet another case of a creationist trying to argue against a theory that he does not understand.
I'll just leave this diagram here and let you ponder the implications:
http://genome.cshlp.org/content/17/6/760/F1.large.jpg
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