EVOLUTION: Right and Wrong

[JohnR7]

it seems pretty obvious that God used the ape template to create man.

It may seem obvious to you, but not so obvious to me.

 

[Cassandra]

Even if we didn't evolve from apes, it seems pretty obvious that God used the ape template to create man.

It may seem obvious to you, but not so obvious to me.

Perhaps it was the other way around. Maybe God thought "These humans are OK...but they aren't cute and hairy enough. I know! I can just make another creature!"

 

[Jet Black]

I do not think that humans evolved from apes or monkeys or whatever it is that people say we evolved from, but I do believe that some species of animals have evolved slightly over time so that they can survive in their habitat. I know some people think that all evolution is wrong because we can't change what God made perfectc, but what if he knew they were going to change, not a lot, just so they can survive? He knew the world was going to change over time, he needed to give them a way to survive.

and I am sure you are going to provide us with extrabiblical evidence to support this, and explain ERVs for instance. lok in the quiet threaad, and you will see a long post by me outlining some of the evidence for the common ancestry between humans and all the other great apes.

 

[Jet Black]

That's not evolution, that's adaptation.

nonsense. ignoring the synonymous use, which is pointless because it reduces your argument to saying "that's not evolution it's evolution" adaptation is something entirely different, and is the uninheritable phenotypical change of an organism in response to environmnetal effects. For example, If a white person sits in the sun all day, they will adapt by going brown, however they will not give birth to tanned babies. If you pick up weights all day, you willdevelop big muscles, however your babies will not be born with big muscles. That is adaptation. Inheritable (i.e. genetic) variations however provide the source of evolution, and if you are talking about the change of a population over time as a result of inheritable changes, then you are talking about evolution. attampting to call it something else and then claim that evolution will not happen is like me saying that the supreme being is called Gott and hence God does not exist (even though both entities are otherwise identical and all I have done is use the German name instead of the English one)

 

[JohnR7]

Perhaps it was the other way around. Maybe God thought "These humans are OK...but they aren't cute and hairy enough. I know! I can just make another creature!"

Or maybe it was the other way around, God thought that the monkeys were cute and hairy enough, but needed more intellegence. So He created man.

The difference is that God did not ever tell the monkeys or the apes to subdue the earth and have dominion over it.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

Or maybe it was the other way around, God thought that the monkeys were cute and hairy enough, but needed more intellegence. So He created man.

The difference is that God did not ever tell the monkeys or the apes to subdue the earth and have dominion over it.

However, the Great Lawgiver did tell the apes, "Beware the beast called man, for he is the devil's toy. Alone among the primates he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers or he will make a desert of his home and yours. "

 

[Gracchus]

Perhaps it was the other way around. Maybe God thought "These humans are OK...but they aren't cute and hairy enough. I know! I can just make another creature!"

Mark Twain speculated that God made man because the monkey just wasn't funny enough.

 

[Randall McNally]

Evolution is based on random mutations. There is more involved than the natural selection of preexisting traits.

That's part of evolutionary theory. Evolution, at its most basic, is just change.

 

[Novaknight1]

Amen. evolution is possible, but Evolution's not. I DELIBERATELY lower cased the first letter to avoid confusion.

 

[Arikay]

Nova, what do you think Evolution is, and why do you say Evolution is not true?

(Your track record on making statements before you have all the facts, suggests that you might not have all the facts yet are still making a statement, is it really good to be doing that?)

 

[Randall McNally]

Amen. evolution is possible, but Evolution's not. I DELIBERATELY lower cased the first letter to avoid confusion.

The time for your posts to avoid confusion has long since come and gone.

 

[Army of Juan]

Amen. evolution is possible, but Evolution's not. I DELIBERATELY lower cased the first letter to avoid confusion.

I think he meant to say "evolution is possible, but Evilution's not". Just a typo, that's all.

 

[Doppelganger]

Ok, here is a question. Let us say that God created man. How do you explain the coexistance of homo-sapien and neanderthal?

 

[Gracchus]

Amen. evolution is possible, but Evolution's not. I DELIBERATELY lower cased the first letter to avoid confusion.

So just use different words. Draw a distinction and point it out. THAT avoid confusion.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ok, here is a question. Let us say that God created man. How do you explain the coexistance of homo-sapien and neanderthal?

Actually, H. sapien and H. neanderthalis could have actually been the same species. In fact, some taxonomists list humans as Homo sapien sapien and neanderthals as Homo sapien neanderthalis, which would make neanderthals and humans subspecies, not separate species. So far, most of the evidence thus far points to them being separate species, but this does not rule out localized interbreeding. Also, there are fossils that could be hybrids between modern humans and neanderthals. Let's just say that the jury is still out on this one. Personally, I lean towards modern humans and neanderthals being separate species (mostly because of mitochondrial DNA evidence) but there is too little evidence to go on right now.

 

[alec]

I do not think that humans evolved from apes or monkeys or whatever it is that people say we evolved from, but I do believe that some species of animals have evolved slightly over time so that they can survive in their habitat. I know some people think that all evolution is wrong because we can't change what God made perfectc, but what if he knew they were going to change, not a lot, just so they can survive? He knew the world was going to change over time, he needed to give them a way to survive.

Hi
Of course He knew the world would change in time. He changes the world, He changes us and He changes the destiny.

The problem bothered other evolutionists as well. A famous British paleontologist, Derek V. Ager, admits this embarrassing fact:

The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find – over and over again – not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of one group at the expense of another.
Derek A. Ager. "The Nature of the Fossil Record." Proceedings of the British Geological Association, vol. 87, no. 2, (1976), p. 133.


Nothing has changed dear...And nothing changes unless the God wills.
Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested? We tested those before them, and God will certainly know those who are true from those who are false. (Al-Ankabut, 2-3)

Do not the Believers know, that, had God (so) willed, He could have guided all mankind (to the right)? (Ar-Rad,31)
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[Arikay]

and we obviously haven't learned anything since 1976. Look up punctuated equilibrium and fossilization they are what explain the events in your quote.

 

[kingreaper]

I do not think that humans evolved from apes or monkeys or whatever it is that people say we evolved from, but I do believe that some species of animals have evolved slightly over time so that they can survive in their habitat. I know some people think that all evolution is wrong because we can't change what God made perfectc, but what if he knew they were going to change, not a lot, just so they can survive? He knew the world was going to change over time, he needed to give them a way to survive.

So you believe in contemporaneous evolution, but not in historical evolution, or common descent?

I'll jhave to see what evidence for CD I can grab up, but ERVs will probably be a good start if I can find one of the good essays

 

[kingreaper]

Because the Bible says that God made us in his image. It said he made man from the dust of the earth and the breath of God, not from apes.

Do you think we are in the PHYSICAL image of God?

 

[Doppelganger]

@Loudmouth​

You mention an interesting point. However, even if there was inbreeding occuring, that is further evidence of a coexistance between two species. (I have run into some people that could provide evidence that Neanderthal is not extinct. )​

But nonetheless, mankind started around 30,000 years ago. A coexistance with neanderthal could contradict the book of Genesis.​

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@alec​

So in short, God creates Neanderthal and says, "Meh, it's beta-species. Let me patch it and create homo-sapien." Is that what you are hinting at?​