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Jesus, being God, has His words in red. Another way to phrase that is 'word of God'.
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Evolution - Rescuing out-of-place Fossils
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Yes, that is simply a saying. You have yet to provide any evidence of the "Word of God"Ever heard of a red letter edition bible? Guess what the red words are?
"Red letter edition Bibles are those in which words spoken by Jesus, commonly only while he was on the Earth, are printed in red ink."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_letter_edition
And here is a question. Don't those supposed words of Jesus vary a bit from Gospel to Gospel?
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One can deny that the words of Jesus were carried down if one like. One could deny it is 2014. Good luck with that.
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Not really. There is no need to assume that Jesus did not give many talks with many similarities in them! It doesn't have to be just one prayer or sermon that 4 people got wrong.
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You missed the point. Jesus may have, for example given sermons that contained parts of the sermon on the mount many times. One man's recollection of one of those sermons does not have to match all other men's recollections of all speeches that were similar.
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Except that these are supposed to be 'god inspired' recollections... You know, 'perfect word' and all that...?
Or are you telling us that it contains.....gasp!........errors....!?
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Not errors, different men who recorded possibly parts of different sermons in some cases, or different parts of the same sermon. None of it was anything but inspired by the Holy Ghost and so bang on it would scare you if you realized how much.
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But then, by definition it is not the "Word of God". Simply getting the gist of a story does not cut it. For the "Word of God" the hurdle is much much higher.
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Sorry there was such an easy common sense approach that deflates your balloon. Think twice before senseless doubting next time I might suggest.
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If several reporters covered speeches for a presidential candidate they might report something similar. When a leader gives talks, often they have common themes. One need not have them all match in every event. Duh.
The word of God is well, words from God. NOT some boring parroted repetition in four books. Why would He even pick 4 men for that?
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When I mentioned common sense that was for a reason. Avi pointed out some time ago another factor. That is that the writers sometimes picked certain words to record, and a way to get them all would be to look at all the gospels! Good thing God used more than one guy. The evidence mounts.[serious];65865570 said:
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I'm sure each gospel writer just picked which final words to report because they all were, of course, true last words. Something like:
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? then with a loud cry, he breathed his last or gave up his spirit
Oh, but maybe that "loud cry was when he said, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. When he had said this, he breathed his last.
One more? Maybe with that last exhale he said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
That totally works in a non-tortured not-at-all force fit kind of way!
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Really? I believe we have a biblical conflict.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 7:55, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, 2 Peter 1:17
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I read that the different words that each gospel has recorded for what Jesus said on the cross was because of the different positions each was in when they heard the words. So John being near the cross with Mary would have focused on the words that Jesus spoke to him being at the feet of Jesus. Matthew wrote about the louder words when Jesus cried out as he was at the back and Luke wrote about the same but also may have heard the softer spoken into they hands I commend my spirit as he was a little close than Matthew. It can all make sense but people immediately jump to conclusions that the gospels should be perfectly alined instead of allowing the human factor of personal perspective.
gospels - What were Jesus's last words on the cross? - Christianity Stack Exchange
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The problem is that dad is claiming that the Bible is the inspired "Word of God" and is perfect. Some of your rationalization clearly does not pass the sniff test, especially for what were supposed to be Jesus' last words. When you see that gross of a difference between Gospels it is fairly obvious that there was some sort of error even if Jesus was the son of God. The writers of various books have always been human and have always made mistakes.
And we have been kind. No one has linked to the hundreds of self contradictions in the Bible.
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