Evolution Question

[GuidanceNeeded]

Then I suggest you don't watch the videos, nor ask any further questions here. If you want to keep your mind buried in ancient writings and bronze age mentality, that's your business, and you have every right to do so. But please, don't waste our time by your ignorant and insincere questions. Your mind is made up and shut tight, and you're not really interested in any answers or learning anything new.

I think you owe everyone here an apology, especially to those of us who put time and effort into addressing your concerns, answering your question, and posting videos. Because from what you said right here, it is all a waste of our time.

That is mighty big of you to tell me what I need to do; I forced absolutely NO one to come and post here, they did it all on their own free will. Some even seem to be enjoying the ridiculing. So no I don't think this thread warrants ANY apologies.

As far as posting video clips, before he posted those clips he knew where I stood on the issue.

 

[Naraoia]

I beg to differ see page 7 post 241; But you are right about the first page, many said "Yes" to originating to apes.

Post 241 can't be on page 7. So which is it? In fact it's best if you post a link. I read almost the entire thread, though, and I don't remember anyone saying that.

That is mighty big of you to tell me what I need to do; I forced absolutely NO one to come and post here, they did it all on their own free will.

Well, because you started out pretending to want to learn something...

Good night, now. I have classes tomorrow. Today. Whatever.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

Post 241 can't be on page 7. So which is it? In fact it's best if you post a link. I read almost the entire thread, though, and I don't remember anyone saying that.

Well, because you started out pretending to want to learn something...

Good night, now. I have classes tomorrow. Today. Whatever.

Sorry my settings are 40 postings per page. So no I don't know what page it would be on yours. But it is posting #241

 

[TheBear]

That is mighty big of you to tell me what I need to do; I forced absolutely NO one to come and post here, they did it all on their own free will. Some even seem to be enjoying the ridiculing. So no I don't think this thread warrants ANY apologies.

As far as posting video clips, before he posted those clips he knew where I stood on the issue.

HOGWASH!

You came here with what many of us considered a sincere OP question. As the answers came in, as the videos were posted, and as every single concern was addressed, you summarily rejected them out of hand, one after the next, not based on any scientific basis, but because the answers didn't bode well with your fixed, unchanging, lock-tight Biblical beliefs.

All your posts indicate that you have no clue about that which you are trying to argue against, and not even a rudimentary understanding of how science works.

You are not unique. You've exposed yourself as a typical creationist. Maybe one day you'll wise up. (one can only hope)

 

[Hespera]

Well TheBear, doesnt look as if there is any where left for this thread to go but down and out.

I hope this isnt one of those threads started by someone who just wants to provoke criticism so they can they can feel that they proved how nasty "evolutionists' are and,' duly persecuted by them awful unbelievers, leave with their faith "strengthened".

 

[sfs]

Seeing as nobody said we were ancestors of the apes, that's fine

Note that the OP consistently confuses "ancestor" and "descendent".

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

Dispite evidence, you'll continue to believe that the entire human population is inbred. Coming from only two original parents leaves no room for genetic diversity, meaning our whole race are inbred.

Ignoring for a moment that no species could survive that amount of inbreeding, how does creationism explain different races?

Oriental?
Caucasian?
Middle Eastern?

Every single race would be impossible without evolution, even if Adam and Eve were true. There's just not enough genetic diversity in two people to account for the world's different races. We know that the allels for black skin is stronger than that for white skin, so if there were only two initial parents, then then entire population of the world would have to be black.

It's simple genetics, a species needs genetic diversity to survive, creationism denies mankind that genetic diversity by dictating that we're all inbred.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

HOGWASH!

You came here with what many of us considered a sincere OP question. As the answers came in, as the videos were posted, and as every single concern was addressed, you summarily rejected them out of hand, one after the next, not based on any scientific basis, but because the answers didn't bode well with your fixed, unchanging, lock-tight Biblical beliefs.

All your posts indicate that you have no clue about that which you are trying to argue against, and not even a rudimentary understanding of how science works.

You are not unique. You've exposed yourself as a typical creationist. Maybe one day you'll wise up. (one can only hope)

Duly noted!

And you should now have nothing more to say, seeing how I just come and made everyone waste their time on this thread. Maybe their time would of been better spent arguing over why men have nipples.

God Bless

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

Dispite evidence, you'll continue to believe that the entire human population is inbred. Coming from only two original parents leaves no room for genetic diversity, meaning our whole race are inbred.

Ignoring for a moment that no species could survive that amount of inbreeding, how does creationism explain different races?

Oriental?
Caucasian?
Middle Eastern?

Every single race would be impossible without evolution, even if Adam and Eve were true. There's just not enough genetic diversity in two people to account for the world's different races. We know that the allels for black skin is stronger than that for white skin, so if there were only two initial parents, then then entire population of the world would have to be black.

It's simple genetics, a species needs genetic diversity to survive, creationism denies mankind that genetic diversity by dictating that we're all inbred.

Just out of curiosity have you read any books by Josh McDowell or ever listened to Herb Larsen, both are VERY interesting.

As far as continuing to argue over who is right and who is wrong, well I think it's best if we just agree to disagree.

Believe it or not I have learned some new things today, don't get excited nothing that would ever change the fact the I believe my Bible to be 100% truth.

Does that make me an idiot? I guess only time will tell, eh?

God Bless, I will say a prayer for each and everyone one of you tonight!

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

A list of effects of inbreeding from Wikipedia:

• reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
• increased genetic disorders
• fluctuating facial assymetry
• lower birth rate
• higher infant mortality
• slower growth rate
• smaller adult size
• loss of immune system function.

Think what that would do for even hundereds of generations of inbreeding. No race could survive that, much less overpopulate the entire planet.


And it doesn't take a genious to note that yes, believing the bible 100% without any evidence makes you a gulliable idiot. Lacking the intelligence to think for yourself, you have a book think for you.

 

[Hespera]

Believe it or not I have learned some new things today, don't get excited nothing that would ever change the fact the I believe my Bible to be 100% truth. QUOTE////

Ok! So god has "hands", rivers and hills do too! And Pi is 3.O; all is well in the book of 100% truths in all matters.

 

[TheBear]

A list of effects of inbreeding from Wikipedia:

• reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
• increased genetic disorders
• fluctuating facial assymetry
• lower birth rate
• higher infant mortality
• slower growth rate
• smaller adult size
• loss of immune system function.

Think what that would do for even hundereds of generations of inbreeding. No race could survive that, much less overpopulate the entire planet.


And it doesn't take a genious to note that yes, believing the bible 100% without any evidence makes you a gulliable idiot. Lacking the intelligence to think for yourself, you have a book think for you.

Don't confuse creationists with facts. It causes their cognitive dissonance to go into hyper-drive.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Does that make me an idiot? I guess only time will tell, eh?

Oh, I don't think we'll need a whole lot of time to make this call...

 

[Gracchus]

Does that make me an idiot? I guess only time will tell, eh?

You are not an idiot. You're even smarter than an imbecile. I'd bet you're too smart to be a moron. But you've mutilated and crippled your mind by believing obvious falsehoods.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

sigh.. please remember dont reply to avet, he is a deep undercover Ptroell.

 

[Naraoia]

Sorry my settings are 40 postings per page.

I guess that explains it.

Well, post 241 says this:

Our immediate ancestors were apes, not monkeys and nobody says otherwise, except for religious reasons. Period. Its a stupid topic.

Note that "our immediate ancestors were apes" means (extinct) apes were our ancestors, not that we are the ancestors of the (extant?) apes.

You were wrong.

Note that the OP consistently confuses "ancestor" and "descendent".

I figured that might be the problem.

Think what that would do for even hundereds of generations of inbreeding. No race could survive that, much less overpopulate the entire planet.

Oh, inbreeding is fine if you survive the critical period while the effects of inbreeding depression are purged (and since all the bad things come out more often in inbred populations, they can be purged quickly). Then you can have quite healthy and fit inbred populations.

Of course, when a disease comes along and none of them can cope with it, they might be screwed.

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

That's why I made "Loss of immune system function." bold.

Still, with the Earth having a human population of ~3,900,000,000, it would simply be impossible to strech 2 sets of genetic material that thin, with no mutation.

 

[Cabal]

Curse you, sleep, I missed an entertaining thread.

 

[BigCedar]

A Dialogue


Man: “Mommy and Daddy purchase toys at the store and put them under the Christmas tree, there is no Santa Claus.”


Young One: “What's pur-chiss?”


One hour later


Man: “...and that is basically how a free-market economy functions, at least in theory.”


Young One: “ I don't want a ecom-o-nee, I want a dolly.”


two hours later


Man: “….and the dolly's head is made by a process of gas-assisted injection molding, not by elves at the North Pole .”


Young One: “ Your a silly.”


Three hours later


Man: “So now do you understand that there is no Santa?”


Young One: “Oh yes there is. He brings me toys. I want toys!”
























alternate ending


AV: “ Yeah, so take a hike poopy-head.”

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

^^