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Evolution Proven!

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Last i checked god and heaven where not part of the material world so we will not be finding anything on that will we?
Also for evolution to occur you need to have the species reproducing. I can honestly say i do not know if angels reproduce but i have not heard of it. if anyone can proof me wrong it would be you though. from what i have seen you know the bible inside and out.
 
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AV1611VET said:
Did the angels evolve?

Did their alleles change over time?
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Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
 
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AV1611VET said:
Did the angels evolve?

Did their alleles change over time?
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If such alien beings exist as physical entities, then yes. If such alien beings exist as non-physical entities, I don't know.
 
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Assyrian said:
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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But I thought the Nephilim were fallen Angels that mated with humans?
So if so, that would mean that Angels do have the equipment for sex.
Or did God add the equipment when He cast them out?
 
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BananaSlug said:
If such alien beings exist as physical entities, then yes. If such alien beings exist as non-physical entities, I don't know.
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Funny how they showed up fully alleled even before the earth was created?
 
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pgp_protector said:
But I thought the Nephilim were fallen Angels that mated with humans?
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I could be wrong here, but I think the Nephilim are the offspring of the fallen angels.

They were a hybrid mix of angels and humans.

Something else that pwns evolution down the drain.
 
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AV1611VET said:
Funny how they showed up fully alleled even before the earth was created?
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Funny how you never seem to ask an serious questions. I just attempted to give the answer I thought you wanted to hear.

Now I will give my answer:

I don't believe in supernatural beings.

My turn.

What scientifically factual information can you supply to support your contention that the universe was created 6000 years ago?
 
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What scientifically factual information can you supply to support your contention that the universe was created 6000 years ago?
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None.

The Creation Week is a matter of history, not science.
 
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AV1611VET said:
None.

The Creation Week is a matter of history, not science.
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Oh? then it shouldn't be very much of a problem to varify if there was an angel with Jesus after he left his tomb.
 
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pgp_protector said:
But I thought the Nephilim were fallen Angels that mated with humans?
So if so, that would mean that Angels do have the equipment for sex.
Or did God add the equipment when He cast them out?
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Why would God have cast them out and given them the equipment before they sinned by having sex with human women?

No I can only think of three possibilities.
God created angels able to have sex and then commanded them to be completely celibate.
Angels are fully equipped and Jesus statement they do not marry simply means heaven is full of extramarital sex.
Or Jesus meant angels do not marry or have sex and that any interpretation of the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 as angels taking human wives is a misunderstanding of the text. Interestingly this interpretation of the Nephilim as the offspring of angels and humans was current in the 1st century. Jesus statement seems to contradict it pretty directly here.
 
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+1

Wonder how many will ignore the important parts.
 
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AV1611VET said:
I like it too, but for a different reason.

It shows that creationism and evolution are incompatible.
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Creationism and evolution are obviously incompatible to anyone who knows what those two terms mean. Creationism is basically an attempt to prove evolution and any other scientific theory about the origins of anything/everything wrong, in favor of a literalistic interperetation of religious scripture (in the US, usually Christian scripture).

There was a period of time when I was a teenager that I was both a young-Earth creationist, and also beleived in an old Earth and that evolution did happen (full-on macro-evolution with common ancestry, &c.). But I think I was just suffering from a bout of insanity.
 
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Spacewyrm said:
Creationism and evolution are obviously incompatible to anyone who knows what those two terms mean.
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Well, I don't understand all the ins and out of evolution, and I still say they are incompatible.

I take it you're saying those in the know are in agreement with me?
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Creationism is basically an attempt to prove evolution and any other scientific theory about the origins of anything/everything wrong...
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Nope --- qv please: 1.
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... in favor of a literalistic interperetation of religious scripture (in the US, usually Christian scripture).
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That's the only way to go!
Spacewyrm said:
There was a period of time when I was a teenager that I was both a young-Earth creationist, and also beleived in an old Earth and that evolution did happen (full-on macro-evolution with common ancestry, &c.).
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Um ... how can you be YEC, OEC, and TE at the same time?

My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.
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But I think I was just suffering from a bout of insanity.
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That's real cute.

Even psychiatrists won't diagnose people who "talk about dying", see Christian symbols on the Rorschach Test, and "talk to the devil" as 'insane'; but I'm sure you were exaggerating for the sake of insult.
 
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AV1611VET said:
Well, I don't understand all the ins and out of evolution, and I still say they are incompatible.

I take it you're saying those in the know are in agreement with me?
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That's correct. One of the defining characteristics of creationism is an opposition to evolution, abiogenesis, the big bang, and other natural explainations for the history of the universe, the earth, and life. And you don't have to know all the ins and outs of evolution to see that. (I barely know anything about evolution beyond the very basics).
Nope --- qv please: 1.
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Is there anything relevant in that thread that you would like to point out here?
That's the only way to go!

Um ... how can you be YEC, OEC, and TE at the same time?
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That kind of my point. Those positions are irreconsilable. But I beleved them just the same. I think it's called compartmentalisation or something like that. In any event, the beliefs a person holds need not be logically consistant.
My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.
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Unforunately embedded age reconciles nothing, since it relies on a logical contradiction. Either the Earth is 4.5 billion years old or it is 6 thousand years old. It is impossible for both to be true for any meaningful definition of age. I understand that you believe that God can make logically impossible things, like square circles, but as far as I'm concerned that's just an argument for atheism.

That's real cute.

Even psychiatrists won't diagnose people who "talk about dying", see Christian symbols on the Rorschach Test, and "talk to the devil" as 'insane'; but I'm sure you were exaggerating for the sake of insult.
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I'm sorry, I meant no insult. I was referring strictly to myself. Insane probably is too strong a word, but I certainly wasn't thinking clearly to believe in both special creation/young-earth as well as evolution/big bang/old-earth. It seems just a bit crazy to me, but I was going through a bit of a theological crisis at the time, which is the "insanity" to which I referred. I think I had already come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist but couldn't let go of the religious beliefs that I had been raised with.
 
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AV1611VET said:
My embedded age explanation takes the best of both YEC and OEC and creates an eclectic cosmology that reconciles the age of the earth with Ussher's dating; but I can't see how one could fit TE in there as well.That's real cute.
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As you realise I reject your embedded age idea because it is, well, self contradictory nonsense. However if you are going to go down that route, I don't see how embedded evolution is any more of a problem than embedded age. If God can embed 4.5 billion years of time on earth in 6,000 years, he can embed 3.5 billion years of evolution in there with it too. The only question left is why bother with the 6,000 years when the bible never says how old the earth is.
 
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